Fantastic Villains: A Lesson in the History of the F4 Villains

[RedIsNotBlue]

Hulk for the villain.

 

[3dman27]

Hulk for the villain.

if fox can get the rights from universal it might work

 

[RedIsNotBlue]

Well it was kind of a joke.

 

[Kirk Langstrom]

That would be outrageously cool though!

Good lord, could you imagine.....? Thing vs Hulk in Central Park, or downtown Manhatten?

I'd have a fanboy annuerysm, right there in the theater, lol.

 

[Kelly]

Sorry guys, i haven't had time to set down and re-do the inhumans portion yet, hopefully i'll get sometime tomorrow to do that.....

 

[Kelly]

The in-humans coming TODAY........finally.....................

 

[The Geek Vault]

I don't know that much about the inhumans but they could be interesting. I know how Julian may not be returning for Doom so I got this idea... why not you Krisstoff Vernard as a Doctor Doom fake who gets killed at the end.

 

[Kelly]

I don't know that much about the inhumans but they could be interesting. I know how Julian may not be returning for Doom so I got this idea... why not you Krisstoff Vernard as a Doctor Doom fake who gets killed at the end.

Thats a possibility....who is your favorite villain...????? if i haven't done him yet, i'd be glad too....

 

[3dman27]

the super skrull

 

[Kelly]

the super skrull

i thought i did Super Skrull....did i miss it....lmao.....

 

[Iron Maiden]

Hi Kel, just dropping by this thread to say nice job so far on the FF villains.

I do have to elaborate a bit on Kristoff Vernard though. You have him slotted in the wrong decade - - - Kristoff was a character created by John Byrne back on his excellent (second only to Stan and Jack) FF run back in the 1980’s. When Byrne took over the title, Doom had been consigned to a straight jacket in a padded cell as a result of going mad at the end of FF#200. It was up to John Byrne to restore the status quo in FF#246-247. This was after Byrne himself wrote him out of commission at the end the 20th anniversary issue in FF #236 “Terror in a Tiny Town” by having about a zillions jolts of electricity forced into his armor’s circuitry.

Prince Zorba had attained the throne through the FF’s assistance but by the time Doom recovered from his catatonia, Latveria had fallen to ruin. Zorba’s paranoia had turned him into a poor, even if initially well-intentioned, administrator. He had taken control of Doom’s robotic guards and kept the populace under a tighter rein than Doom’s. Victor takes the FF to Latveria and forces them to face the consequences of their actions. Reluctantly they agree that Doom can restore the country’s stability, while also under the control of a device that inhibits them from attacking Doom himself.

When the FF and Doom appear in the town square, some of the citizens brave the curfew and run out to greet their beloved ruler. Mme Venard is among this group and she is killed by one of the Doombots for violating the curfew. Since she was under his protection at the time Doom, as a point of honor, makes her son Kristoff a ward of the state and later his appointed heir. From this point on, his history gets a bit more complicated.

In FF#260 there is a three-way battle between two of Galactus’s former heralds the Silver Surfer and a rebellious Terrax, which was pretty much instigated by Doom himself, Doom’s body is blown to atoms by the overload of the Power Cosmic that he doused Terrax with in order to turn him into a weapon to use against the FF. With Doom now missing, the Doombots back in Latveria prematurely set into place a plan to put his heir, Kristoff, on the throne. They implant Doom’s memories on his brain using a device called the remembrancer along with a modified suit of armor that gives him the height of an adult. After Kristoff/Doom loses a battle against the FF, they realize that there is only a small child in the armor and Reed places him in a protective cell back at FF HQ. He later breaks out with the help of another “guest” in an adjoining cell, the mutant Quicksilver.

Kristoff returns to Latveria, still thinking he is Doom while Doom himself is in a weird sort of exile after recovering his body with the help of the Beyonder. Writer Walt Simonson then decides to once again restore the status quo with Doom in FF#350 by having Doom cure Kristoff of the effects of the rembrancer. Unfortunately for Kristoff, he gets mistakenly executed by the Time Variance Authority for tampering with timelines – an act committed by Doom while dueling with Reed. A bit later, Simonson then leaves the title and Tom DeFalco takes over the writing chores. DeFalco is one of the more controversial FF writers because he decided to shake up the lineup by killing off Reed and Doom in FF#381. From that point on, he has Sue as the leader of the team with various other characters like Namor, Scott Lange AKA Ant-Man II, and Johnny’s ex-wife Lyja stepping in from time to time to pick up Reed’s slack. Around this time
Reed’s father Nathaniel also reappears from another timeline and warns Sue of dire events to come. He also confesses to her that he has another son who is the true ruler of Latveria. Sue is horrified to think that he means Victor but what he later tells her is that he had an affair with a Latverian woman while on one of his time travels. He claims that woman was Mme Vernard and that Kristoff is their son.

To wind up an already long story, Kristoff becomes redundant when DeFalco is forced to bring Reed and Victor back because of the multi-title storyline known as “Onslaught.” After that, he was rarely seen in the FF title and most recently appeared in the FF: House of M story as part of Victor’s team.

 

[Iron Maiden]

Wow, that's weird that the thread didn't get a new timestamp last night. Anyway, if anyone is interested I can post some scans w/Kristoff

 

[Kelly]

Sorry IM, I took my cue from Tom DeFalco...he has him (Kristoff) coming out in the decade of the 60's....

 

[Iron Maiden]

I bet that was a typo in the book. I doubt Tom DeFalco would have made a mistake like that - - unless he's Oldtimer's disease like me!

 

[Kelly]

I bet that was a typo in the book. I doubt Tom DeFalco would have made a mistake like that - - unless he's Oldtimer's disease like me!

That could be it...actually its a full pic and everything...BUT it was w/ Doom's so what might have happened is they just wanted to put it with Doom's story, and took it out of its correct timeline to do that....

And Hey, I'm open to any corrections....I'm new at this stuff I'm learning right along w/ everyone else...

 

[Kelly]

Inhumans

Over 25,000 years ago, aliens known as the Kree visited the EArth, during their endless war with the Skrulls. Though primitive man was just learning how to make fire, the Kree feared that humans might eventually evolve into a powerful race that could be a threat to them. They isolated a small tribe of humans and began to experiment on them, hoping to create an army of super-powerful warriors that would serve their galactic empire. Kree scientists genetically altered the members of this tribe, who became the first Inhumans.

Intending to return sometime in the future to study the results of their experiments, the Kree went backto space, leaving the Inhumans to settle on a tiny island in the Northern Atlantic named Attilan. The Inhumans evolved much faster than their human counterparts and soon became an advanced civilization. They studied genetics and discovered a mutagenic substance called the "Terrigen Mist," which gave them fantastic powers and frequently attacked them so the Inhumans tried to avoid humanity and eventually moved Attilan to the Himalayas.
The Fantastic Four first met the Inhumans in New York City whree they were hiding, and Johnny Storm fell in love with an Inhuman named Crystal. The FF later helped Black Bolt, ruler of the Inhumans to regain his throne and prevented his brother, Maximus, from destroying humanity. Undaunted by his defeat, Maximus surrounded Attilan with an unbreakable spohere that prevented contact with the outside world. Separated from Crystal, the Torch did everything he could to penetrate the shield but only met with failure. To free his people, Black Bolt used his voice to set off a cataclysmic sonic ckhain reaction that leveled the entire city as it shattered the barrier.

Black Bolt

The ruler of the Inhumans, Black Bolt, possesses super-strength and can soar like an eagle. The fork-shaped antenna on his forehead allows him to collect electrons from the air and use them to increase his strength and speed. Unfortunately, Black Bolt must not speak because his voice triggers sonic shockwaves. Even a shisper could demolish an entire city block.

The Royal Family

Gorgon


Gorgon's legs can generate powerful seismic tremors.

Karnak


Karnak can sense an object's weakest point, enabling him to shatter the object with a single blow.

Crystal

Crystal can mentally manipulate the four basic elements: fire, water, earth, and air.

Triton

Triton is an amphibian with superhuman strength.

Lockjaw

Crystal's pet and faithful companion, Lockjaw, can teleport himself and anything near him to wherever he wants to go. He is extremely strong and has super-powerful jaws.




Maximas the Mad

Maximus has always been jealous of his older brother, Black Bolt, and has often tried to steal his throne. Thinking the Kree might help him, Maximus once tried to make an alliance with them but Black Bolt put a stop to his plans. Maximus hates the human raece and has repeatedly tried to destroy mankind. He secretly loves Medusa and staged his first successful civil war during the time when she had amnesia and Black Bolt was out searching for her. Though he was later overthrown, Maximus has never stopped trying to replace his brother. Maximus also has latent psionic powers, but his mental instability often prevents him from using them. When his powers are operating at peak efficiency, he can control the minds of others and force everyone within his general area to obey his mental commands. He can also blank a person's mind and give them a brief case of amnesia.

 

[The Geek Vault]

Could lockJaw speak english?
Where are the pictures... I like pictures

 

[Kelly]

Could lockJaw speak english?
Where are the pictures... I like pictures

you need to learn patience....lol

 

[Kelly]

Could lockJaw speak english?
Where are the pictures... I like pictures

 

[Kelly]

MaliceThe Mistress of Hate

Shortly after Kristoff Vernard masqueraded as Dr. Doom and blew up the Baxter Building, the Fantastic Four returned to the site of their former headquarters. While Reed conferred with the police, another former tenant arrived. Mr. Shoenstein had a snack shop in the building for 22 years and was angry over the loss of his business. Reed tried to calm him, but the police overreacted and slammed the old man against a wall. She-Hulk and Wyatt Wingfoot began to intercede and were arrested. A vicious crowd sprang up and started to hurl bricks at the FF. While Reed and Johnny attempted to find the source of the hostility, Sue escorted Alicia home. Hatred was in the air....

The police van carrying Wyatt and the She-Hulk was attacked sometime later. While Wyatt helped the injured a costumed woman named Malice appeared. She caused the ground beneath the She-Hulk to rise in the air and sent her crashing into the Earth. She-Hulk's strongest blows could not harm Malice. As Malice floated aboe, She-Hulk found that she could not breathe and lost consciousness---Malice had cut off her air supply. Moments later, Malice revealed her real identity--Susan Richards, the Invisible Girl!

Reed discovered that the Hate Monger had distributed pamphlets across the city. Each one contained an alien hypno-poison that drove people into uncontrollable rages. Reed created a device to counteract the poison but was attacked by Malice. He quickly recognized his disguised wife. Believing that Sue's emotions were being altered by the Hate Monger, Reed reasoned that he could free her by making her angry at him. His plan worked, and Sue revealed that the Psycho-Man was secretly behind the Hate Monger.

After journeying to the microverse home of Psycho-Man and enacting her revenge, Sue began to reevaluate herself and her powers. She decided that the time had finally come for her to change her name from the Invisible Girl to the Invisible Woman. Unfortunately, Sue had not seen the last of Malice. Malice's evil persona continued to lurk deep within Sue's subconscious, looking for a way to escape. Sue eventually tried to integrate Malice into her conscious mind. Still not content, Malice jumped into the mind of the teenage Franklin from an alternate timeline and was eventually destroyed.

Malice's emotions were the complete opposite of Sue's. Sue's strongest feelings were love and compassion; Malice's were hatred and cruelty. While their powers were the same, Malice used her invisible force fields without restraint and reveled in ferocity. Malice would not hesitate to use invisible sharp-bladed objects or force-bubbles that deprived her enemies of oxygen.

Though the Psycho-Man released her evil persona, Sue secretly feared that Malice was actually the result of unresolved anger over the death of Sue's mother and imprisonment of her father.

Pictures and pics from recent comics to come......

Sue confronts Psycho-Man again and uses what she gained from their encounter in the Microverse...Stay tuned...



BTW, I really, really would love to see Malice as one of the villains in an F4 movie...

 

[Kelly]

Bumpin on up....

 

[3dman27]

not really it looked like they did once but it was ventriloquism used as a joke on benfortunately "lockjaws" words helped resolve a dispute between peitro and chrystal about exposing thier daughter luna to the terrigen mist that gives the inhumans thier powers

 

[Kelly]

MaliceThe Mistress of Hate

Shortly after Kristoff Vernard masqueraded as Dr. Doom and blew up the Baxter Building, the Fantastic Four returned to the site of their former headquarters. While Reed conferred with the police, another former tenant arrived. Mr. Shoenstein had a snack shop in the building for 22 years and was angry over the loss of his business. Reed tried to calm him, but the police overreacted and slammed the old man against a wall. She-Hulk and Wyatt Wingfoot began to intercede and were arrested. A vicious crowd sprang up and started to hurl bricks at the FF. While Reed and Johnny attempted to find the source of the hostility, Sue escorted Alicia home. Hatred was in the air....

The police van carrying Wyatt and the She-Hulk was attacked sometime later. While Wyatt helped the injured a costumed woman named Malice appeared. She caused the ground beneath the She-Hulk to rise in the air and sent her crashing into the Earth. She-Hulk's strongest blows could not harm Malice. As Malice floated aboe, She-Hulk found that she could not breathe and lost consciousness---Malice had cut off her air supply. Moments later, Malice revealed her real identity--Susan Richards, the Invisible Girl!

Reed discovered that the Hate Monger had distributed pamphlets across the city. Each one contained an alien hypno-poison that drove people into uncontrollable rages. Reed created a device to counteract the poison but was attacked by Malice. He quickly recognized his disguised wife. Believing that Sue's emotions were being altered by the Hate Monger, Reed reasoned that he could free her by making her angry at him. His plan worked, and Sue revealed that the Psycho-Man was secretly behind the Hate Monger.

After journeying to the microverse home of Psycho-Man and enacting her revenge, Sue began to reevaluate herself and her powers. She decided that the time had finally come for her to change her name from the Invisible Girl to the Invisible Woman. Unfortunately, Sue had not seen the last of Malice. Malice's evil persona continued to lurk deep within Sue's subconscious, looking for a way to escape. Sue eventually tried to integrate Malice into her conscious mind. Still not content, Malice jumped into the mind of the teenage Franklin from an alternate timeline and was eventually destroyed.

Malice's emotions were the complete opposite of Sue's. Sue's strongest feelings were love and compassion; Malice's were hatred and cruelty. While their powers were the same, Malice used her invisible force fields without restraint and reveled in ferocity. Malice would not hesitate to use invisible sharp-bladed objects or force-bubbles that deprived her enemies of oxygen.

Though the Psycho-Man released her evil persona, Sue secretly feared that Malice was actually the result of unresolved anger over the death of Sue's mother and imprisonment of her father.

Pictures and pics from recent comics to come......

Sue confronts Psycho-Man again and uses what she gained from their encounter in the Microverse...Stay tuned...





BTW, I really, really would love to see Malice as one of the villains in an F4 movie...

 

[Advanced Dark]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Fantastic_Four_villains

Check this site out. You know what I'd love to see in FF2. Let the SSurfer make a cameo at the end to set up Part 3. I'd love to see The Fantastic Four be hired by the military to stop The Hulk in FF2. It seems Marvel's getting control of the rights to The Hulk back. Imagine FF going after the Hulk. We'd get to see The Thing vs The Hulk and maybe towards the end of the film Banner finally get's control of The Hulk thanks to Reed and then the Hulk helps them fight Doom. Then at the end the Silver Surfer comes roaring in and knocks the Hulk out and just stands there...to be continued...

 

[Kelly]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Fantastic_Four_villains

Check this site out. You know what I'd love to see in FF2. Let the SSurfer make a cameo at the end to set up Part 3. I'd love to see The Fantastic Four be hired by the military to stop The Hulk in FF2. It seems Marvel's getting control of the rights to The Hulk back. Imagine FF going after the Hulk. We'd get to see The Thing vs The Hulk and maybe towards the end of the film Banner finally get's control of The Hulk thanks to Reed and then the Hulk helps them fight Doom. Then at the end the Silver Surfer comes roaring in and knocks the Hulk out and just stands there...to be continued...

Hulk is owned by Universal....can't happen as long as thats the case...and watch out on wikipedia...Cappy already found mistakes on that site....