Fant4stic Fant4stic: Reborn! - - - - - Part 24

[coolmovies]

Guys, I would suggest you to buy the March 13th edition of Total Film magazine, the one with Mad Max cover page. Apparently, there are more photos and information.

If anyone can buy and post whatever is in there, it would be highly appreciated.

 

[Dasher10]

when the tone fits the source material... Not ever comic book is the same.. there's great variety... you've got westerns, sci-fi, rom-coms, action flicks, horror, light-hearted fun.. every genre you can imagine... the fantastic four are an adventurous light hearted family very akin to jules verne, lost in space, and dr. who.... not the same type of comic as "batman, punisher, daredevil, moonknight, ghostrider, etc...

Thor is very sword and sorcery meets sci-fi and shakespeare, cap is a political war drama, they're all different genres, and all different tones. just let the comics and the characters speak for themselves. don't put a square peg in a round hole

Yep. Here's how Marvel's films should be.

Iron Man: Sci-Fi Action (we've got that)

Captain America: Political Thriler (we've got that)

Thor: Fantasy (Marvel Studios need to go all the way with the fantasy IMO. Lose the Urban fantasy and sci-fi and go full high fantasy to the point where next to no time is spent on Earth)

Hulk: Monster movie (Needs to again go further with daikaiju genre and giant monster battle in the sequel. That and more of Bruce's different personalities/humor.)

Agents of SHIELD: Tuxedo and Martini Spy Fiction (Which we have. It's very much like the older James Bond movies with crazy gadgets and outlandish villains)

Guardians: Space opera (Which Marvel did)

Daredevil: Crime drama/film noir (which we're getting)

Avengers: All Out Action (again, they got it right)

So Marvel Studios USUALLY gets it right. I feel like Thor tries to ground itself too much instead of embracing high fantasy and Hulk mostly gets it right but still took itself too seriously. I'd go with a version of Thor that feels more like Lord of the Rings and less like Twilight. Hulk should go full on Godzilla and focus more on Bruce Banner's issues with dissociative identity disorder with more humor and go with all sorts of crazy destruction porn. Think Man of Steel but funnier. Go full Kaiju with cities being destroyed across the course of the film and Joe Fixit, Green Scar and Professor appearing.

As for upcoming properties here's what I hope we get

Ant-Man: Comedy (Hopefully, Adam McKay is a great writer)

Jessica Jones: Drama (Hopefully this show will take itself completely seriously despite a purple-skinned telepath. Keep it character driven.)

Iron Fist: Martial Arts Action/Wuxia (Celebrate both the gritty street level stories and the wuxia fantasy elements both. Make it a celebration of what we love about martial arts films)

Doctor Strange: Horror (Think something like The Exorcist, The Ninth Gate, Insidious and The Conjuring mixed with the trippy visuals of Zardoz, Eraserhead and El Topo)

Spider-Man: Coming of Age Story/Action-Comedy (Make it about growing up and taking about responsibility. It should be about learning lessons in life, making mistakes and atoning for them. It also needs to be incredibly funny.)

Luke Cage: Blaxploitation (Go right for tackling hot-button social issues but in a way that still plays up the action element.)

Black Panther: War Movie (Go right for discussions of terorism, imperialism, ethnic strife, disease and inequality which affect Africa right now. Go there and go big with an emphasis on cutting edge weaponry and counter-terrorism. Have villains like Killmonger and Man-Ape resemble Al Shabab and Boko Haram. Show how foreign governments and corporations want to exploit Africa's resources without hiring any of the local population. Make it socially relevant but still an action film.)

Captain Marvel: Alien Abduction Movie (Show how strange it would be to be kidnapped and experimented on by aliens with a snarky protagonist who handles the situation by cracking jokes. Don't go into horror, add elements of space opera and keep Carol sarcastic and sassy the whole time.)

Inhumans: Trippy Sci-Fi (Make it some sort of incomprehensible, strange film that shows the Inhumans engaging in slavery and incest with a teleporting bulldog. Don't explain it. Just go with it and embrace how bizarre it is. Make it feel otherworldly and don't ground anything. If anything, make it even stranger than the source material.)


As for properties that Marvel Studios have yet to develop, here's how they should tackle them.


Moon Knight: Absolute head-trip. (Think along the lines of Twin Peaks or LOST as a crime drama where you have an unreliable narrator as your POV character who suffers from schizophrenia so you'll never know what's real and what's not and events are retconned with each new episode. Characters who have been killed off will suddenly reappear making the audience wonder if anything they watched was real.)

Power Pack: Disney channel Kids's Show. (Have it be a fun show starring young heroes for all ages to enjoy. Keep the villains from getting too evil and make it always kid friendly.)

She-Hulk: Sitcom (Go with the full legal angle but play up how crazy things are. Have Titania occasionally show up to fight Jen but have Jen spend most of her time doing everyday things with super strength and tackling legal cases as a property liability lawyer. And Damage Control need to be supporting characters since many of the episodes should focus on the destruction that superheroes cause and the legal aspects of that.

Ghost Rider: Splatter Film (Make this a dark, edgy film with a black and death metal soundtrack, gore everywhere and bizarrely dark imagery. Have it be really, really twisted and feel like the child of Lucio Fulci and Quentin Tarantino released by Troma.)

Runaways, Avengers Academy and New Warriors: Teen Drama (Disney Owns ABC Family, they specialize in shows like this. Why aren't they doing something with some sort of teen angst show of troubled young people yet?)

Punisher: Dark Antihero Show (Think along the lines of Dexter, Sons of Anarchy and Breaking Bad where everyone is unsympathetic, Punisher is depicted as a psychopath who thankfully only hunts down people just as bad or worse than he is and fill it with a game of Thrones or Spartacus level of extreme violence. Ram home why Punisher is not a role model, he isn't aspiration, he isn't heroic, he's scum and his enemies are also scum but you'll eventually get attached to the characters regardless despite knowing that everyone who isn't Frank is probably going to die eventually.)

Thunderbolts: Action-Comedy (The only way to get the audience to root for HYDRA's plans for global domination is if they're saving the world so they can conquer it and it's also presented as a funny, dysfunctional comedy. Have Taskmaster be the only member who's overly serious and have that make him that much funnier. Have Zemo have a heart and a conscience no matter how much he denies it. Make Shocker this lovable genius thief and hacker with a streak of bad luck that always follows him. Have Mach act heroic but then confess that he feels that he's doing it wrong since he's not a hero. Have Songbird constantly struggle with whether to betray Zemo. Make Moonstone the lovable psychopath who suggests handling every situation with extreme violence. Make then these goofy characterless who plot world domination but actually still love doing good.)

Black Widow: Spy Movie (If SHIELD is James Bond, Black Widow should be Bourne or 24. Add in moral ambiguity, make it gritty, make the villains grounded. Make Tasha a master planner who's able to prepare for any outcome with gadgets for any situation but never lose the sense of danger and adventure.)

So Marvel still has room to grow but what they've developed, a lot of it is surprisingly accurate.

 

[Drz]

actually.. its not.

http://collider.com/the-fantastic-four-movie-details-josh-trank/

The Ultimates was also an influence and a lot of the science specifics are there. They told me a lot of the means of transformation they took from the books.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

http://collider.com/the-fantastic-four-movie-details-josh-trank/

ummm that just says they were influenced by dude... which it's origin IS heavily influenced.. but that's really it.. this is far from being "Ultimate Fantastic Four the movie...

this film is it's own thing.. with a few things borrowed and influenced by multiple comic continuities.. but doing a-lot new to it...

it's like calling The Avengers Ultimate based because it had chitauri, formed by shield, and a black fury... even though all the characters outside of hawkeye are pretty accurate to there 616 counterparts, loki being the first villain, Avengers Tower, maria hill, and project pegasus...

most movies do merge things.. however, this film is doing alot of original stuff, completely void of it's comic roots...

you are taking that quote way to literally (and this has been discuss on this forum multiple times..)

 

[Dasher10]

They think the original FF movies failed because they were too silly. And more importantly, "too close to the comics".

In reality, the original FF movies failed because of poor filmmaking.

1. You can make a comedy and still have it be a good movie.

2. Dialing back the cheesiness of the source material is one thing but this reboot is going too far in the other direction to the point where I can't even recognize these costumes. If nobody told me this was supposed to be the Fantastic Four, I'd never guess that was what I was looking at.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

Yep. Here's how Marvel's films should be.

Iron Man: Sci-Fi Action (we've got that)

Captain America: Political Thriler (we've got that)

Thor: Fantasy (Marvel Studios need to go all the way with the fantasy IMO. Lose the Urban fantasy and sci-fi and go full high fantasy to the point where next to no time is spent on Earth)

Hulk: Monster movie (Needs to again go further with daikaiju genre and giant monster battle in the sequel. That and more of Bruce's different personalities/humor.)

Agents of SHIELD: Tuxedo and Martini Spy Fiction (Which we have. It's very much like the older James Bond movies with crazy gadgets and outlandish villains)

Guardians: Space opera (Which Marvel did)

Daredevil: Crime drama/film noir (which we're getting)

Avengers: All Out Action (again, they got it right)

So Marvel Studios USUALLY gets it right. I feel like Thor tries to ground itself too much instead of embracing high fantasy and Hulk mostly gets it right but still took itself too seriously. I'd go with a version of Thor that feels more like Lord of the Rings and less like Twilight. Hulk should go full on Godzilla and focus more on Bruce Banner's issues with dissociative identity disorder with more humor and go with all sorts of crazy destruction porn. Think Man of Steel but funnier. Go full Kaiju with cities being destroyed across the course of the film and Joe Fixit, Green Scar and Professor appearing.

As for upcoming properties here's what I hope we get

Ant-Man: Comedy (Hopefully, Adam McKay is a great writer)

Jessica Jones: Drama (Hopefully this show will take itself completely seriously despite a purple-skinned telepath. Keep it character driven.)

Iron Fist: Martial Arts Action/Wuxia (Celebrate both the gritty street level stories and the wuxia fantasy elements both. Make it a celebration of what we love about martial arts films)

Doctor Strange: Horror (Think something like The Exorcist, The Ninth Gate, Insidious and The Conjuring mixed with the trippy visuals of Zardoz, Eraserhead and El Topo)

Spider-Man: Coming of Age Story/Action-Comedy (Make it about growing up and taking about responsibility. It should be about learning lessons in life, making mistakes and atoning for them. It also needs to be incredibly funny.)

Luke Cage: Blaxploitation (Go right for tackling hot-button social issues but in a way that still plays up the action element.)

Black Panther: War Movie (Go right for discussions of terorism, imperialism, ethnic strife, disease and inequality which affect Africa right now. Go there and go big with an emphasis on cutting edge weaponry and counter-terrorism. Have villains like Killmonger and Man-Ape resemble Al Shabab and Boko Haram. Show how foreign governments and corporations want to exploit Africa's resources without hiring any of the local population. Make it socially relevant but still an action film.)

Captain Marvel: Alien Abduction Movie (Show how strange it would be to be kidnapped and experimented on by aliens with a snarky protagonist who handles the situation by cracking jokes. Don't go into horror, add elements of space opera and keep Carol sarcastic and sassy the whole time.)

Inhumans: Trippy Sci-Fi (Make it some sort of incomprehensible, strange film that shows the Inhumans engaging in slavery and incest with a teleporting bulldog. Don't explain it. Just go with it and embrace how bizarre it is. Make it feel otherworldly and don't ground anything. If anything, make it even stranger than the source material.)


As for properties that Marvel Studios have yet to develop, here's how they should tackle them.


Moon Knight: Absolute head-trip. (Think along the lines of Twin Peaks or LOST as a crime drama where you have an unreliable narrator as your POV character who suffers from schizophrenia so you'll never know what's real and what's not and events are retconned with each new episode. Characters who have been killed off will suddenly reappear making the audience wonder if anything they watched was real.)

Power Pack: Disney channel Kids's Show. (Have it be a fun show starring young heroes for all ages to enjoy. Keep the villains from getting too evil and make it always kid friendly.)

She-Hulk: Sitcom (Go with the full legal angle but play up how crazy things are. Have Titania occasionally show up to fight Jen but have Jen spend most of her time doing everyday things with super strength and tackling legal cases as a property liability lawyer. And Damage Control need to be supporting characters since many of the episodes should focus on the destruction that superheroes cause and the legal aspects of that.

Ghost Rider: Splatter Film (Make this a dark, edgy film with a black and death metal soundtrack, gore everywhere and bizarrely dark imagery. Have it be really, really twisted and feel like the child of Lucio Fulci and Quentin Tarantino released by Troma.)

Runaways, Avengers Academy and New Warriors: Teen Drama (Disney Owns ABC Family, they specialize in shows like this. Why aren't they doing something with some sort of teen angst show of troubled young people yet?)

Punisher: Dark Antihero Show (Think along the lines of Dexter, Sons of Anarchy and Breaking Bad where everyone is unsympathetic, Punisher is depicted as a psychopath who thankfully only hunts down people just as bad or worse than he is and fill it with a game of Thrones or Spartacus level of extreme violence. Ram home why Punisher is not a role model, he isn't aspiration, he isn't heroic, he's scum and his enemies are also scum but you'll eventually get attached to the characters regardless despite knowing that everyone who isn't Frank is probably going to die eventually.)

Thunderbolts: Action-Comedy (The only way to get the audience to root for HYDRA's plans for global domination is if they're saving the world so they can conquer it and it's also presented as a funny, dysfunctional comedy. Have Taskmaster be the only member who's overly serious and have that make him that much funnier. Have Zemo have a heart and a conscience no matter how much he denies it. Make Shocker this lovable genius thief and hacker with a streak of bad luck that always follows him. Have Mach act heroic but then confess that he feels that he's doing it wrong since he's not a hero. Have Songbird constantly struggle with whether to betray Zemo. Make Moonstone the lovable psychopath who suggests handling every situation with extreme violence. Make then these goofy characterless who plot world domination but actually still love doing good.)

Black Widow: Spy Movie (If SHIELD is James Bond, Black Widow should be Bourne or 24. Add in moral ambiguity, make it gritty, make the villains grounded. Make Tasha a master planner who's able to prepare for any outcome with gadgets for any situation but never lose the sense of danger and adventure.)

So Marvel still has room to grow but what they've developed, a lot of it is surprisingly accurate.

all correct

 

[TheComicbookKid]

They are not going to make Dr. Strange real horror. The Sorcerer's Apprentice with a bit extra is about as far as Marvel is gonna go.

 

[Tony Stark]

Forget the costumes for a moment. In the new Total Film photos look at how bland and boring the backdrops are. Dull dark hallways with boring looks.

Now compare that to Jack Kirby (don't look at the pictures, look at the detail in the background):

 

[spideyboy_1111]

They are not going to make Dr. Strange real horror. The Sorcerer's Apprentice with a bit extra is about as far as Marvel is gonna go.

yeah, it shouldn't be horror, more "hellboy" imo

 

[Dasher10]

Also, since Fox clearly needs the help. here is what they should do with their own properties.

X-Men: Superhero film (they have these right)

Wolverine: Action film/samurai film (again, got it right)

Fantastic Four: Sci-Fi (Homage to old pulp science fiction by the likes of HG Wells and HP Lovecraft. The FF are meant to be explorers out to discover the mysteries of the universe. They solve problems, they also cause them but they generally clean up their messes. There needs to be a sense of wonder to what they do, to discover entire new worlds and take the audience on mind-blowing adventures.)

Deadpool should be a comedy but that looks like what we're getting.

Gambit should be a gangster movie set in Louisiana. He's a thief. He's morally ambiguous. He's a bad boy and an anti-hero. Play up the star crossed lovers angle with Belladonna and make him angst over it. But above all, make him a smooth talking con-man who the audience roots for despite the fact that he's a gangster and a kleptomaniac.

X-Force should be a pure action film. Think along the lines of what would have happened if John Woo directed the Matrix. Make it feel like something out of the 80s or 90s. But above all, don't take it too seriously. Cable, Deadpool and Domino all have senses of humor that they can lay off Archangel and Psylocke with. Think along the lines of darker than X-Men but also funnier.

X-Factor should be a mystery series. Combine the paranomal investigator angle of the 2000s series with the government angle of the 90s series and the mutants who people call to fight other mutants from the 80s. They should look out for anyone who's powers are out of control, anyone who may be misusing superpowers or any sort of strange anomaly that nobody can explain to the point where they'll mess with time travel, the undead, strange technology, and people who simply should not exist but do. Then pit them against Waeapon X who were their predecessor who went rogue. Also, Mystique should lead the team since she's been in enough movies and a TV show is a good place to keep her present but not hijacking stories.

New Mutants/Generation X/New X-Men/Generation Hope is a teen drama about a boarding school. It's as simple as that. Not hard to get right.

 

[coolmovies]

1. You can make a comedy and still have it be a good movie.

2. Dialing back the cheesiness of the source material is one thing but this reboot is going too far in the other direction to the point where I can't even recognize these costumes. If nobody told me this was supposed to be the Fantastic Four, I'd never guess that was what I was looking at.

I have to agree with lordofnerds. The problem with the first two FF movies was the filmmaking. I feel that under a different and much better director, we could have gotten much better movies. It's just that Tim Story didn't bother to change the dialogues or come up with better material for Reed, Doom and Sue with his screenwriters.

Those movies were bad on a technical level I.e. fx, cinematography, sound effects etc and acting wise. Chris Evans was good in it, but any charismatic actor would have given similar performance. Michale chiklis was okay, but I think the latex costume made it unbearable for him to act well. Silver surfer was really good in terms of fx and general aura of the character. Rest of them were crap because of the way the characters were written.

Give those scripts to someone like Matt Reeves, James Gunn, Russos, Jon Favreau and I can bet they would have made a pretty darn solid movie, by changing the script day by day on the set. That's how Iron Man was made.

The potential was there in both the FF movies, but the incompetence of the director ruined it all.

Check out the making of 2nd FF movie on YouTube. It's laughable the way Tim goes about things and there was this whole Dr. doom lair thing which he shot but never made into the final cut. Lot of missed opportunities.

 

[Kelly]

Totally understood, but I don't think we can say that the Fantastic Four are always like this, they have had darker times as well, and it is shown in the artwork as well...

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

Forget the costumes for a moment. In the new Total Film photos look at how bland and boring the backdrops are. Dull dark hallways with boring looks.

Now compare that to Jack Kirby (don't look at the pictures, look at the detail in the background):

That's my problem, the FF has been characterized by amazing visuals from the start, and even Ultimate FF has some cool things to look at.

And then we got a trailer that looked like 100 other films we've seen. Nothing amazing, nothing unique. Just a bunch of shots that looked like stock footage.

And the studio is trying to sell this as unique and different. The only thing that makes it unique and different is they decided to make a Fantastic Four film that looks nothing like Fantastic Four but rather looks a lot like other films.

 

[Dark Raven]

Indeed. Imagine how nice it would be if we got something worth looking forward to.

Instead it's just crap piled on top of more crap.

That means, unless you're severely constipated, all of us get to personally experience FFINO every single day.

 

[Dasher10]

They are not going to make Dr. Strange real horror. The Sorcerer's Apprentice with a bit extra is about as far as Marvel is gonna go.

I'd rather they did so their properties stand out more. Strange should go full horror and Thor should go full fantasy.

Right now Thor seems like it tries too hard to ground the supernatural as advanced science. As a result, Marvel made Thor feel too much like Eternals to the point where I'm not really sure if Eternals can be made now. Asatru is the ultimate high fantasy source material just as Abrahamic Religion is the ultimate supernatural horror source material. Thor needs to encounter the light elves, discuss the Aesir's occupation of Vanaheim, meet some dwarves, expplore the frozen wastes of Niffleheim, do battle with the serpents Jormagundr and Nidhoggr and fight alongside the undead Valkyrie women of Valhalla who offered their lives in battle against injustice (especially Brunnhilde). I'd have Ragnarok involve Thor fighting against a massive snake and a fire giant as Asgard burns around him and he finally gives his life to save it, only to reset the clock before the other realms could be devoured by Niddhogg.

Doctor Strange should be some sort of surreal horror film which I'm not even sure exists yet. Think along the lines of Event Horizon and Hellraiser. There needs to be some HP Lovecraft inspiration mixed with Robert Anton Wilson and Alistair Crowley. Dormammu and the Mindless Ones need to come across as these really frightening images. There need to be jump scares like Strange looking in a mirror to shave and seeing Dormammu's burning face.

If Lord of the Rings can go pure fantasy and turn a profit and The Conjuring can go pure horror and turn a profit, why can't Marvel do the same? It helps to differentiate the properties. Guardians didn't play it safe and went full space opera. Just because it's a shared universe doesn't mean that the stories need to feel similar. It's also a big, big universe.

 

[coolmovies]

That's my problem, the FF has been characterized by amazing visuals from the start, and even Ultimate FF has some cool things to look at.

And then we got a trailer that looked like 100 other films we've seen. Nothing amazing, nothing unique. Just a bunch of shots that looked like stock footage.

And the studio is trying to sell this as unique and different. The only thing that makes it unique and different is they decided to make a Fantastic Four film that looks nothing like Fantastic Four but rather looks a lot like other films.

I personally prefer the imagery and visuals of the newer FF comics more than the Kirby 616 version. Obviously, there are some character designs in the 616 that are much better, but overall I like the aesthetics of the later FF comics. Bryan Hitch, Jonathan Hickman and even marvel knights one. But, I feel the artwork and story in James Robinson's FF is as best as you can get. It deserved a longer run.

 

[Black Narcissus]

When can I pre buy my tickets?

 

[Orba]

I'd rather they did so their properties stand out more. Strange should go full horror and Thor should go full fantasy.

Right now Thor seems like it tries too hard to ground the supernatural as advanced science. As a result, Marvel made Thor feel too much like Eternals to the point where I'm not really sure if Eternals can be made now. Asatru is the ultimate high fantasy source material just as Abrahamic Religion is the ultimate supernatural horror source material. Thor needs to encounter the light elves, discuss the Aesir's occupation of Vanaheim, meet some dwarves, expplore the frozen wastes of Niffleheim, do battle with the serpents Jormagundr and Nidhoggr and fight alongside the undead Valkyrie women of Valhalla who offered their lives in battle against injustice (especially Brunnhilde). I'd have Ragnarok involve Thor fighting against a massive snake and a fire giant as Asgard burns around him and he finally gives his life to save it, only to reset the clock before the other realms could be devoured by Niddhogg.

Doctor Strange should be some sort of surreal horror film which I'm not even sure exists yet. Think along the lines of Event Horizon and Hellraiser. There needs to be some HP Lovecraft inspiration mixed with Robert Anton Wilson and Alistair Crowley. Dormammu and the Mindless Ones need to come across as these really frightening images. There need to be jump scares like Strange looking in a mirror to shave and seeing Dormammu's burning face.

If Lord of the Rings can go pure fantasy and turn a profit and The Conjuring can go pure horror and turn a profit, why can't Marvel do the same? It helps to differentiate the properties. Guardians didn't play it safe and went full space opera. Just because it's a shared universe doesn't mean that the stories need to feel similar. It's also a big, big universe.

Lets not forget that Marvel picked Scott Derrickson for Doctor Strange, he is a director who has done pretty much nothing but horror films, which would certainly indicate that Marvel aren't planning to steer clear of the horror elements of the franchise.

 

[Dasher10]

Lets not forget that Marvel picked Scott Derrickson for Doctor Strange, he is a director who has done pretty much nothing but horror films, which would certainly indicate that Marvel aren't planning to steer clear of the horror elements of the franchise.

Yep. That and he also did The Day the Earth Stood Still so he know how to pull off bit and otherworldly as well. I felt like he was the only choice before Marvel chose him.

Also, when it comes to Thor: Ragnarok, I'd either get Kenneth Branagh back or I'd get either Sergei Bodrov, Zhang Yimou or Peter Jackson to direct. I want to see Ragnarok ignore earth and go complete fantasy.

 

[metaphysician]

"Sure this restaurant promised to serve me a steak and brought me the boiled sole of a shoe, but I'd rather eat this shoe sole than have to drive to a 5 star restaurant that I know has never made a bad meal for a great steak. That would take too much time, I can't possibly wait for something."

More like "I will eat this boiled shoe and smile! . . . because I have based a large chunk of my personality around hating the 5 star restaurant and its awesome steaks. I would rather convince myself I'm not gagging on cooked shoe than admit I could possibly be wrong. And hey, if I keep this up, maybe the power of magical thinking will finally drive the 5 star restaurant out of business, thus forcing everyone else into eating cooked shoe with me. That would make me feel *awesome*."

 

[Dasher10]

Oh, and regardless of whether this gets a sequel or reverts to Marvel, I'd get Alfonso Couron to handle the next FF film. Think about what Fantastic Four could be if the director of Gravity was directing it!

 

[spideyboy_1111]

Totally understood, but I don't think we can say that the Fantastic Four are always like this, they have had darker times as well, and it is shown in the artwork as well...

yes, but a few stories don't suddenly change the over-all look, feel and etc... a first film in a series usually sets a tone for the entire franchise. very few films have started dark, and then went lighter in the sequels (And pulled it off successfully) You can start off lighter and go darker (like captain america) but the reverse is very difficult to do..

and it'd be very inaccurate to represent a fantastic four franchise of films, as "dark and gritty" which is the point.

 

[metaphysician]

I can't believe fox gave Josh Trank so much freedom....and I can't believe even after getting freedom, it was actually Simon who ghost directed it...

Who says Fox gave him much freedom, or any? IIRC, he only started directing after several screenplays got rejected by Fox for being too expensive. I mean, yes, the costumes having no basis in the comics. However, that doesn't necessarily mean Trank is hell bent on his own personal artistic vision. It could also mean "Fox said make it cheap, so I do whatever to make it cheap." Dark colors and generic looks help with that ( for one, dark colors are easier to maintain and show wear less, so they wouldn't need to replace them as often ).

 

[marvelmadness13]

More like "I will eat this boiled shoe and smile! . . . because I have based a large chunk of my personality around hating the 5 star restaurant and its awesome steaks. I would rather convince myself I'm not gagging on cooked shoe than admit I could possibly be wrong. And hey, if I keep this up, maybe the power of magical thinking will finally drive the 5 star restaurant out of business, thus forcing everyone else into eating cooked shoe with me. That would make me feel *awesome*."

That does seem to be the case for a sizable chunk of the shoe eaters. What else can you do when you suffer from Foxholm Syndrome?

 

[Kelly]

yes, but a few stories don't suddenly change the over-all look, feel and etc... a first film in a series usually sets a tone for the entire franchise. very few films have started dark, and then went lighter in the sequels (And pulled it off successfully) You can start off lighter and go darker (like captain america) but the reverse is very difficult to do..

and it'd be very inaccurate to represent a fantastic four franchise of films, as "dark and gritty" which is the point.

It's not a few stories, a good portion of the MK issues were much darker, as are the majority of the Ultimate...so once again, it is simply a difference of opinion what people like and don't like.

I understand if some don't like the darker tone, and love the original stuff...there is absolutely nothing wrong with that, but just playing devil's advocate here...that doesn't mean that that is the only way to go.

Some want them to go full 616, I would prefer MK, and there are some here that are fine moving towards UFF.... it is what it is, and what we have seen as far as tone is not unheard of with the F4, especially in the more recent issues.

I'm not arguing any point, I am simply saying that in all of this it is going to be "to each his own enjoyment" some will like this tone, and some won't. As far as my family and friends are concerned, they will enjoy the darker tone for sure. I'm not sure that I will, I will have to see more.