Batman Begins Fascinations about a Certain Scene....

[TheLightKnight]

What scenes are you fascinated by and why?....


ie:

Im particularly fascinated with the Chase scene. Alot of people think its cool and all.........i think it was great, awesome, more then words can describe.

I think its FASCINATING that when batman is driving around , hes like, terrified. If you think about it, this is his First car chase, he has no idea what to do. I mean hes speeding away from police, jumpin off rooftops, trying all the new technology of the tumbler, tryin to save rachel before she dies........its just all amazing, and he tries to hold himself together as a hero the best he can. but its obvious hes scared of whats going on and worried at the same time.

alot of people dont notice that. Well to the best of my knowledge.

 

[El Payaso]

^ What bothers me about the poisoned Rachel scene is... Rachel was supposed to die with the fear gas dosis she had (Crane said something like it was a concentrated dosis por something) that's why Batman was so in a hurry to save her but moments earlier, Batman gassed Crane with the same gas, so he tried to kill him? or at least leave him totally insane in purpose?


But my fascinating scene is the Flass interrogatory. That sole scene made the film worth watching.

 

[TheLightKnight]

The flass interragation was sooooo DARK KNIGHT!.........

 

[CFE]

I'm not terribly fascinated by any particular scene in "Begins."

But it seems the scene with the most speculation is the finale:

"I won't kill you...but I don't have to save you..."

It would've worked better has the idea of the Lazurus Pit had been integrated into the plot. Without mentioning the pit, it does seem like Batman is still killing him, doesn't it?

CFE

 

[Kevin Roegele]

It would've worked better has the idea of the Lazurus Pit had been integrated into the plot. Without mentioning the pit, it does seem like Batman is still killing him, doesn't it?

CFE

The Lazarus Pit would have ruined everything Nolan was trying to build. Nolan tries to make everything as realistic as possible. Just about everything in the movie either exists or is based on something that does. He even goes to the effort of explaining how the Bat cape can function as a glider so Batman can be airborne.

The Lazarus Pit would not fit at all.

 

[El Payaso]

Maybe a mention of it like in 'they say Lazarus pit brings us to life again', like in a legend?

 

[Saint]

^ What bothers me about the poisoned Rachel scene is... Rachel was supposed to die with the fear gas dosis she had (Crane said something like it was a concentrated dosis por something) that's why Batman was so in a hurry to save her but moments earlier, Batman gassed Crane with the same gas, so he tried to kill him? or at least leave him totally insane in purpose?


But my fascinating scene is the Flass interrogatory. That sole scene made the film worth watching.

The difference is in the dialougue. Crane says he gave a concentrated dose--as opposed to a regular dose, which is why Rachel was at immediate risk. A regular dose, as indicated by the effects on Falcone and Batman, causes hallucinations but only causes permanent damage (like insanity) if it is left untreated (this is why Falcone lost his mind and why Batman didn't; Batman was treated with the antidote in time). Crane recieved a regular dose, so his life wasn't at risk, but since he received no antidote he went pretty clearly nuts.

 

[El Payaso]

Crane recieved a regular dose

That would explain it all, but did he?

 

[Saint]

Double post.

 

[Saint]

Of course. There's no reason to assume he didn't. That's why it's a regular dose, because it's regular. The fact that Crane didn't die from it proves it was a regular dose.

 

[El Payaso]

Or it wasn't really explained. There's no reason to assume the same gas from the same sleeve had a concentrated dose and minutes later it was a normal dose.

 

[Anita18]

Im particularly fascinated with the Chase scene. Alot of people think its cool and all.........i think it was great, awesome, more then words can describe.

I thought one bit of editing was done REALLY well in the chase scene - when he's on the roof, one of the cops yells "Who IS this guy?" over the radio, and it cuts right back to Bruce in the costume, driving like a maniac. I have no idea why, but the first time (and all the subsequent times) I've seen it, I always think about Bruce tossing aside a playboy life to bust his ass saving the city. Seemed really ironic, the contrast of what the public thinks of as Bruce Wayne and who he truly is.

I have no idea why, but the first time I saw BB, the intensity of Bale's stare at Chill in the courtroom scene went right over my head. After a second viewing, I didn't miss it again, LOL. The facial twitchings are SO subtle, but they definitely show barely-restrained anger. I just think that if it was any other actor, he would have taken the angry-squint and the tensing-jaw thing too far and it would have been cheesy. It's amazing what Bale can convey in only his eyes.

I also think that Bruce's first conversation with Gordon in his office is beyond awesome. Not sure why.

 

[ChrisBaleBatman]

^ What bothers me about the poisoned Rachel scene is... Rachel was supposed to die with the fear gas dosis she had (Crane said something like it was a concentrated dosis por something) that's why Batman was so in a hurry to save her but moments earlier, Batman gassed Crane with the same gas, so he tried to kill him? or at least leave him totally insane in purpose?

Well, really....all we do know is that he'd given her a concentrated dose...so she'd go bat**** crazy. The dosage can't kill anyone. Just drive them mad.

It would've worked better has the idea of the Lazurus Pit had been integrated into the plot. Without mentioning the pit, it does seem like Batman is still killing him, doesn't it?

They hinted at it, though. Only slightly.

The Lazarus Pit would have ruined everything Nolan was trying to build. Nolan tries to make everything as realistic as possible. Just about everything in the movie either exists or is based on something that does. He even goes to the effort of explaining how the Bat cape can function as a glider so Batman can be airborne.

Not really. I'd say he's trying to make it as realistic as possible without losing th fantasy of it. It's why we see the Tumbler jumping off rooftops. There's plausible stuff.....but it's still pretty fantastical.

The Lazarus Pit would not fit at all.

If done in a certain way....it could. Leaving it mysterious would be important.

Of course. There's no reason to assume he didn't. That's why it's a regular dose, because it's regular. The fact that Crane didn't die from it proves it was a regular dose.

Not necessarily. I don't think we ever saw the fear toxin actually kill anyone......ala Joker's Laughing Gas. The ONLY thing we got to go on really is that the concentrated dose just makes you go on a trip.....and never come back. Supposedly, Falcone probably suffered that. But, we're not sure if he did get a concentrated dose b/c Crane never says so.

Or it wasn't really explained. There's no reason to assume the same gas from the same sleeve had a concentrated dose and minutes later it was a normal dose.

I think it's left up in the air. Wheter or not Crane really went insane or just cracked for the right reason, I think it's up to us to decide. There was enough time between his poisoning Rachel and Batman dropping down for him to have changed doses.

But, it's possible that he got hit with the same dosage too. But, seeing as how he wasn't balls to the wall nuts....the way Rachel was looking, and the way Falcone seemed.....Crane seemed rather calm to me for that.

 

[drunkhomer]

Orgasm!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[ChrisBaleBatman]

I loved the shot from behind where we see him coming towards the camera with the train going off in the distance. Badass.

 

[COMPO]

^ What bothers me about the poisoned Rachel scene is... Rachel was supposed to die with the fear gas dosis she had (Crane said something like it was a concentrated dosis por something) that's why Batman was so in a hurry to save her but moments earlier, Batman gassed Crane with the same gas, so he tried to kill him? or at least leave him totally insane in purpose?


But my fascinating scene is the Flass interrogatory. That sole scene made the film worth watching.

All i can say is i'm glad i wasn't the one who taught him how to drive. Bloody boy racer. You'd be sitting on your **** all through the lesson.

 

[Saint]

Or it wasn't really explained. There's no reason to assume the same gas from the same sleeve had a concentrated dose and minutes later it was a normal dose.

The dots are all there for you to connect:

Normal doses are shown to only cause permanent brain damage when not treated (Falcone eventually went mad, and Bruce's condition worsened until he was treated--this is all made very clear in dialougue)

+

Concentrated doses kill

+

Crane did not die

=

Crane received a normal dose.

It's fairly simple math, the kind any audience member performs in the back of their mind during any film. If you want to explain it, that's simple too: Crane's apparatus has more than one setting--a regular, and a concentrated.

 

[El Payaso]

The question is, why Crane did tone down the gas dose he used with Rachel to fight against Batman? Specially considering it was obvious Batman got well after a normal dose before.

Now, two different setting in Crane's sleeve? I have to say it again, saint, you're by far the most original poster at the time of covering this kind of stuff.

 

[Saint]

The question is, why Crane did tone down the gas dose he used with Rachel to fight against Batman? Specially considering it was obvious Batman got well after a normal dose before.

That I can't answer (unless it's as simple as just two buttons on the device--one for regular and one for concentrated, and Batman hit the regular one).

Now, two different setting in Crane's sleeve? I have to say it again, saint, you're by far the most original poster at the time of covering this kind of stuff.

Seems like the most obvious (and simplest) conclusion to me. Also, the settings wouldn't be in his sleeve. The bulk of the apparatus is at his waist (it's hard to spot, watch the scene where Batman gases him in slow motion). Also, there are two visible canisters; one for the concentrated chemical and one for the regular version. Before Batman yanks Crane's arm up, be presses something on the waist device. Within the confines of my theory, I would say he pressed whatever causes the device to eject a normal dose.

 

[superkong 500]

I just saw the chase scene and a couple of more scenes again. and I must say that the chase scene has the most spectacular momenst in the movie. Its tense, raw the editing is great through out the whole chase. the cuts between bats and rachel inside the car the cops reaction and the car doing the most amazing stuff, not because what the car does but how real it looks while its doing it. The scene in which two of the tires stick out of the edge of the building you can feel as if the car was about to fall or something you can feel the danger.And each time the tumbler leaps it looks stunning,the angles look great. Other scene that I love is the interrogation scene. I love bale's intensity and the thing is that it has the perfect balance, you know he's in control of the situation yet you feel his boiling anger but at the same time you know that a lot of that is part of his "act" and it totally works.

 

[TwilightPro101]

Orgasm!!!!!!!!!!!!

Defintely a great moment!

 

[Darkest Knight]

^ What bothers me about the poisoned Rachel scene is... Rachel was supposed to die with the fear gas dosis she had (Crane said something like it was a concentrated dosis por something) that's why Batman was so in a hurry to save her but moments earlier, Batman gassed Crane with the same gas, so he tried to kill him? or at least leave him totally insane in purpose?

No, he did this because normally Batman's image strikes fear in people. Crane isn't frightened like that by Batman, more intrigued than anything. So when he sprays him with the fear toxin, he is looking to make himself more intimidating in order to scare the info out of Crane that he wants. But they never said the concentrated dose would kill you, it just makes you go insane. And as we see int he film, this shot of Crane's concentrated dose, is what sends Crane from mildly disturbed, to all out nut ball aka "The Scarecrow" persona we see at the end of the film. Just like in the comics how Crane gets pushed over the edge of insanity. So when Rachel says: "Crane?", and he says in return: "No, Scarecrow!!!", he has made his transformation. And then that scene plays into the entire last 1/3 of the film's theme of "escelation".

Get it?

 

[Darkest Knight]

It would've worked better has the idea of the Lazurus Pit had been integrated into the plot. Without mentioning the pit, it does seem like Batman is still killing him, doesn't it?

CFE

No, that isn't "killing" someone. Killing someone is knocking someone off a building, droping someone into a vat of chemicals, strapping a bomb to someone and watching them blow up, lighting someone on fire. THAT is killing someone. You know, your favorite Batman movies.

 

[Darkest Knight]

I think its FASCINATING that when batman is driving around , hes like, terrified. If you think about it, this is his First car chase, he has no idea what to do. I mean hes speeding away from police, jumpin off rooftops, trying all the new technology of the tumbler, tryin to save rachel before she dies........its just all amazing, and he tries to hold himself together as a hero the best he can. but its obvious hes scared of whats going on and worried at the same time.

alot of people dont notice that. Well to the best of my knowledge.

I noticed this as well, and it is one of my most fascinating scenes from the movie. As you put it so well, it's his first time, he's worried and nervous, but trying to keep himself together as best he can, and remain the hero and intimidating precense he is supposed to have. What great acting Bale does in this scene as well. It can be seen when he looks over wide eyed, and in a nervous voice tells to Rachel.. "Hold On"... he looks more scared than she does. He wasn't poised at all during this scene, which makes it so fascinating. He is a rookie, and is obviously scared ****less. He can't come out and calm Rachel down, by saying: "Hey It's me Bruce, your friend from childhood."... he has to keep his persona intact, but he is obviously frightened of losing his close childhood friend to insanity. I never had any objections with the way he drives in this scene as well. He's too pre-occupied with saving his friend, and he tried to his best to avoid the police. But when push comes to shove, Batman does get dirty and vicious, just like he does in the comics. Which seperates him as a character from the boy scouts like Spider-man, and Superman.

 

[Darkest Knight]

My most fascinating scenes from BEGINS:
- The ending, with the rooftop meeting between Bats and Gordon.
- Bat from Hell. His confrontation with Crane, while he is on fear gas is outstanding.
- "It Ends Here", and the fight with the ninjas.
- Bat chase. The chase scene we already mentioned.
- Bruce's training with Ducard on the ice.