The Dark Knight Batman is a loner...

[Goodfellas]

now i understand we all want Comm Gordon to be faithfullly adapated and not like how Burton portryaed him as just some "cop"


but the one thing i always liked about Burtons idea for Batman and to me it makes the most sense


is that Batman is a complete loner... sure when hes bruce wayne hes taking nice broads out for dinner and he has this playboy bachelor life but when hes Batman he doesnt want alot of friends


thats why i think him and Gordon should have a good friendhsip


but not everytime Gordon is on screen should Batman be on screen


it seems alot of you want Gordon and Batman to be lke best friends and always there for each other

well thats stupid imo Batman doesnt need Gordon...Gordon needs Batman

yeah sure there should be a couple scenes of them togther but other than that let Batman do his own thing


same goes for Harvey Dent.... yes they should be on the same side...but should they meet on a rooftop everytime Batman has info.......NO other wise it will seem that Batman is working for Harvey Dent.... this also applys for Gordon as well




one example is that in TLH theres the famous scene were they all get on the rooftop circle up and agree to take down crime


now in a comic book thats cool... but in a movie it would look amazingly cheesy... yeah sure they should all want to take down crime but come we dont need some cheesy get together on a rooftop were th ey put there hands in and say " lets do this together and we can fight crime" it would look ****ing corny as ****




i jsut thought id get that out there


again iam very aware that people are going to give me **** for this but i just wanted to get this out there and see how you all feel about Batman not being so damn close with Gordon and dent


again obviousl;y they should be friends and have a couple scenes together but not a **** load like alot of you want

 

[Crook]

one example is that in TLH theres the famous scene were they all get on the rooftop circle up and agree to take down crime

now in a comic book thats cool... but in a movie it would look amazingly cheesy... yeah sure they should all want to take down crime but come we dont need some cheesy get together on a rooftop were th ey put there hands in and say " lets do this together and we can fight crime" it would look ****ing corny as ****

Where is the precedence that you'd think we'd get anything remotely bad as that?

 

[Untilteld]

This needs it's own thread, why?

 

[Capeless Hero]

It may be cheesy, but for one if it is the way it happens in the comic and if it didnt happen we would be very angry. Batman doesnt need Gordon true, but when he does make a move in the movie or atleast in BB I think he might have wanted, no pun in intended, backup. True, we all know Batman doesnt need it usually but he always has a backup for his backup and a secret plan after that. If he screws up (knocked up, captured) he wants Gordon to finish what he starts. People complain about BB saying it was Samarai Batman ....hate to tell ya folks but thats what he is in the comic, its just never said. Batman, like the Samarai, would die for his caus. So if he did indeed die, he wants to know that his mission was completed in the end so Gordon can clean up. Also it ust helps to NOT have the GCPD chasing him all over, if Gordon knows whats going on he can call off the chase....My opinion

 

[Baba Ghanoush]

I never saw Gordon and Batman as anything more than a business partnership which is how it was presented in BB. I took the final scene where Gordon says thank you to Batman and Batman replying "and you'll never have to" as meaning he sees what he does as a job and those involved in helping him as business associates not friends.

I think this same arrangement will extend to Dent in TDK as well.

 

[DieSmiling]

Even though Batman is a loner, he's always had friends and relationships. He doesn't do it all himself. I hated Burton's social recluse Batman.

 

[DieSmiling]

I never saw Gordon and Batman as anything more than a business partnership which is how it was presented in BB. I took the final scene where Gordon says thank you to Batman and Batman replying "and you'll never have to" as meaning he sees what he does as a job and those involved in helping him as business associates not friends.

I think this same arrangement will extend to Dent in TDK as well.

Totally disagree. Batman and Gordon have been friends in almost every interpretation of the characters.

 

[Eggyman]

I think he is truly a loner . . . and he's not, or, he's both. I think we all know where he would prefer to be, sat in the cave, solving a puzzle. He goes out plenty, but it is a façade -- more of a job to him than being Batman ever is.

He can be both. He is two.

 

[Capeless Hero]

Totally disagree. Batman and Gordon have been friends in almost every interpretation of the characters.

I concur. In the comics when Gordon retires Batman is right there to wish him good bye... I think Gordon might have cried lol Anyways...Gordon is the friend of the bat...simple as that. And how can one say batman is a loner...lets count:
1.Gordon
2.Nightwing
3.Robin
4.Batgirl
5.Huntress
6.Oracle
7. Azreal
8. Alfred
9. I think we can say Montoya
Thats all I can think of, Im sure theres more. Batman is a loner and scarey yes. But even loners have friends.

 

[Baba Ghanoush]

Totally disagree. Batman and Gordon have been friends in almost every interpretation of the characters.

Friends don't hold secrets from each other. If Batman and Gordon were friends, Gordon would know Batman's identity.

Batman may care about Gordon but that shouldn't be construed as meaning the two are friends. Its pretty clear in BB that Batman recruits Gordon to help him on his mission as a business partner not as a friend.

 

[Capeless Hero]

Friends don't hold secrets from each other. If Batman and Gordon were friends, Gordon would know Batman's identity.

Batman may care about Gordon but that shouldn't be construed as meaning the two are friends. Its pretty clear in BB that Batman recruits Gordon to help him on his mission as a business partner not as a friend.

To quote the great Lucius Fox.
Lucius Fox:Mister Wayne, if I don't know what you are doing, I won't have to lie. But don't take me for a fool.
Bruce Wayne: Fair enough.

I think the same goes for Gordo and Bats. I think Jim deep down inside knows, he just wouldnt say it.

 

[The Empire Ape]

LOL, Batman a loner.

The man with the first sidekick in comic history.
The man with a whole "family" around.
The man with the most team-ups with other heroes in the DC universe.

He is so lonely, lonely, lonely

 

[Baba Ghanoush]

To quote the great Lucius Fox.
Lucius Fox:Mister Wayne, if I don't know what you are doing, I won't have to lie. But don't take me for a fool.
Bruce Wayne: Fair enough.

I think the same goes for Gordo and Bats. I think Jim deep down inside knows, he just wouldnt say it.

I can see the argument that Gordon and Batman are friends - they care about each other, work together, etc. I just don't buy the fact that they are friends. It doesn't make sense to me based on my definition of what a friend is, but that's my opinion.

 

[Schlosser85]

I've always thought of Batman and Gordon more as allies than "friends" per se, at least in the conventional sense. I think there is a certain bond there that goes beyond strictly business, especially when they've been working together and helping each other for years, but it's not like the Gordons have Bruce Wayne over for dinner or vice versa, and Gordon, at least at this point, really knows nothing about Batman. I think what they have between them at the end of Batman Begins is a level of trust, and a common goal, and I think that'll be their relationship in The Dark Knight, although I expect we might see them become a little closer, or at least more comfortable with each other, as time goes on.

 

[Gilpesh]

now in a comic book thats cool... but in a movie it would look amazingly cheesy... yeah sure they should all want to take down crime but come we dont need some cheesy get together on a rooftop were th ey put there hands in and say " lets do this together and we can fight crime" it would look ****ing corny as ****

Cheesy like having his worst enemy turn out to be the man who killed his parents?

Cheesy like having dialogue "You made me," "You made me first"?

Just wondering.

 

[Sun_Down]

What possible ground do you have to believe that A) They'll be "best friends" or B) That anyone here wants that?

 

[BubbaGump]

The fourth chapter of Year One is called "Friend in Need."

And has anyone seen the new Batman: Turning Points TPB? Bats and Gordon are like homeboys, and much of it was written by Ed Brubaker so don't talk.

 

[Seen]

I think true friendship consists of understanding one another, despite whatever idiosyncrasies one might have. Gordon not asking or caring about Batman's true identity, but realizing what he brings to the table and the type of person he is, is the sign of true friendship -- the kind that never falters and at its core is ultimate and total understanding.

Gordon and Batman, at least in the comics and cartoons, have that. I hope that is expounded on in this new series, too.

 

[Schlosser85]

now in a comic book thats cool... but in a movie it would look amazingly cheesy

If handled properly, there's nothing cheesy about Batman, Gordon, and Dent having a clandestine rooftop meeting and agreeing to work together to fight crime. It's not like they have to all put their hands together or do a group hug or something, these are three serious dedicated adult guys who join forces for a common goal, that's not cheesy. And we need to have a scene like that in TDK, it's one of the iconic scenes from the comics.

 

[Batman]

Batman needs Gordon in order to obtain information and certain privileges he can't get through interrogating a thug or gathering evidence that the police may have looked over. Gordon provides his inside eye into the corruption of Gotham's police department, aswell as his key to vital information and clues that help him solve most of the big cases in Gotham. And that's ignoring the level of humanity he brings to Batman, given that Bruce isn't stupid enough to think he can take on an entire city's crime and corruption by himself entirely.

And beyond that, Batman being a loner to the point that Goodfellas is describing is complete bull****, considering he has a butler that tends to his needs and provides moral support whenever needed back at home, all the time. This was true with Burton's interpretation, and with most interpretations of the character period. So why he can't have Gordon as a friend and confident is beyond me. It worked in the comics, in the cartoons, and in Begins. So it should be able to play out pretty decently relevant in TDK.

 

[GoogleMe94]

i agree with the OP. plain and simple, batman is a loner. one of the reasons i dont like the comics is he has too much help from too many ppl, inlcuding lucious, oracle/batgirl, robin (take your pick), then nightwing, different police cops from various stories, etc. i like batman when he is self reliant, not haveing all these ppl around him. tis why i like the burton batman more. in begins, there were way too many ppl "helping" him out, the lamest one being morgan "shouldnt be such a" freeman.

plus, i never found gordon all that interesting of a character. i always thought of him as just another sidekick for batman. my opinion still hasnt changed.

 

[El Payaso]

now i understand we all want Comm Gordon to be faithfullly adapated and not like how Burton portryaed him as just some "cop"


but the one thing i always liked about Burtons idea for Batman and to me it makes the most sense


is that Batman is a complete loner... sure when hes bruce wayne hes taking nice broads out for dinner and he has this playboy bachelor life but when hes Batman he doesnt want alot of friends


thats why i think him and Gordon should have a good friendhsip


but not everytime Gordon is on screen should Batman be on screen


it seems alot of you want Gordon and Batman to be lke best friends and always there for each other

well thats stupid imo Batman doesnt need Gordon...Gordon needs Batman

yeah sure there should be a couple scenes of them togther but other than that let Batman do his own thing


same goes for Harvey Dent.... yes they should be on the same side...but should they meet on a rooftop everytime Batman has info.......NO other wise it will seem that Batman is working for Harvey Dent.... this also applys for Gordon as well




one example is that in TLH theres the famous scene were they all get on the rooftop circle up and agree to take down crime


now in a comic book thats cool... but in a movie it would look amazingly cheesy... yeah sure they should all want to take down crime but come we dont need some cheesy get together on a rooftop were th ey put there hands in and say " lets do this together and we can fight crime" it would look ****ing corny as ****




i jsut thought id get that out there


again iam very aware that people are going to give me **** for this but i just wanted to get this out there and see how you all feel about Batman not being so damn close with Gordon and dent


again obviousl;y they should be friends and have a couple scenes together but not a **** load like alot of you want

I totally agree with you. But the way they presented the relationship between them in Batman Begins was perfect. Even in the last scene there's this I trust you but I don't totally from Gordon to Batman. And I think if Batman was more trusting towards Gordon is just because Batman knows everything about him but Gordon doesn't about Batman. There was a lot of subtlety there, which can't be said about all the movie.

Now, in comics they have introduced all kind of characters to keep the thing going for years, but Robin, Azrael, Batgirl, Oracle, Nightwing can go to hell in movies and we'll get a better franchise. In Batman Begins he had a great team with Alfred, Gordon and Fox only. Let's not include Bat-mite.

 

[GoogleMe94]

what about holmes? she was a help, but....she sucked.

 

[BubbaGump]

Burton was a loner as a kid so it's perfectly understandable he'd make Bruce Wayne/Batman a loner in his movies.

 

[CConn]

now i understand we all want Comm Gordon to be faithfullly adapated and not like how Burton portryaed him as just some "cop"


but the one thing i always liked about Burtons idea for Batman and to me it makes the most sense


is that Batman is a complete loner... sure when hes bruce wayne hes taking nice broads out for dinner and he has this playboy bachelor life but when hes Batman he doesnt want alot of friends


thats why i think him and Gordon should have a good friendhsip


but not everytime Gordon is on screen should Batman be on screen


it seems alot of you want Gordon and Batman to be lke best friends and always there for each other

well thats stupid imo Batman doesnt need Gordon...Gordon needs Batman

yeah sure there should be a couple scenes of them togther but other than that let Batman do his own thing


same goes for Harvey Dent.... yes they should be on the same side...but should they meet on a rooftop everytime Batman has info.......NO other wise it will seem that Batman is working for Harvey Dent.... this also applys for Gordon as well




one example is that in TLH theres the famous scene were they all get on the rooftop circle up and agree to take down crime


now in a comic book thats cool... but in a movie it would look amazingly cheesy... yeah sure they should all want to take down crime but come we dont need some cheesy get together on a rooftop were th ey put there hands in and say " lets do this together and we can fight crime" it would look ****ing corny as ****




i jsut thought id get that out there


again iam very aware that people are going to give me **** for this but i just wanted to get this out there and see how you all feel about Batman not being so damn close with Gordon and dent


again obviousl;y they should be friends and have a couple scenes together but not a **** load like alot of you want

There is so many things wrong with your post, I'm not even going to explain it to you.

Simply put, pretty much everything you said is wholly and grossly comic inaccurate, irrational, illogical, or just plain dumb.

I suggest you read a lot more Batman comics before you start trying to correct other, more knowledgeable people on the proper characterization of the character.