Favorite "Death of a Villian" Thread

[Arcturus]

Nah! He sucks. Sam Raimi knows it. That's why he got the treatment he did

No Venom rules!

He is #1

To bad he had to share screen-time with king kong, I mean sandman and goblin jr.

 

[The Joker]

No Venom rules!

He is #1

Hey, hey, hey, why are you turning your back on our feathered friend? You said The Vulture is number 1: http://forums.superherohype.com/showpost.php?p=12027627&postcount=12

 

[Arcturus]

Hey, hey, hey, why are you turning your back on our feathered friend? You said The Vulture is number 1: http://forums.superherohype.com/showpost.php?p=12027627&postcount=12

Hey...you're right!

Vulture is #1!

Oh how could i've been so blind, thankgod you pointed that out, Ock! Come praise the best villain in Marvel history here;

http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?t=270204

 

[ScarletVenom25]

Visually, I think Venom's was. But GG's really set the stage for the rest of the series, so I think thats definately the best. New Goblin's is second, it was just emotionally strong, but satisfying. He went out being a bigger man then his father, as well as with his pride.

 

[Killing Joke926]

A couple of things:

1. Ock, Venom, and Sandman were all victims of circumstance. Doesn't make them any less villains. And your point is also completely irrelevant to this thread.

2. Venom the best villain in the Marvel franchise? Then the Marvel franchise is in big trouble if that were true.

Well I say that because first Doc Ock didn't have a villian motive in the movie, his goal was to create and to control cold fusion. When his experiment went wrong his tentacles/arms were fused into his brain and so on and so forth, but you see Ock was a victim because the arms were taking control of him and slightly began to turn him into something he was not. So he wasn't really a villian. As for SandMan, he really didn't a have a villian motive either, just a life of crime. But when he robs banks, stores, ect. he does have good intentions; he's trying to gather enough money to cure he daughter of cancer. That and when he was trying to steal Uncle Ben's car, I admit it wasn't that smart to be pointing a gun at someone and be in some other state of mind (distracted), he didn't mean to kill him; which really doesn't make him a villian. And as for Eddie, when Parker stole Gwen from him he suddenly began to hate Parker (who wouldn't). When he was finally consumed by the symbiote he really just let his personal demons show and became Venom; and from there and to his unfortunate demise (damn you Raimi) he had every evil intention to kill SpiderMan.........but really didn't put up much of a fight. Further more, Doc and SandMan were misguided people with good motives and Eddie was a misguided monster with evil motives to kill.

 

[The Joker]

Well I say that because first Doc Ock didn't have a villian motive in the movie, his goal was to create and to control cold fusion. When his experiment went wrong his tentacles/arms were fused into his brain and so on and so forth, but you see Ock was a victim because the arms were taking control of him and slightly began to turn him into something he was not. So he wasn't really a villian. As for SandMan, he really didn't a have a villian motive either, just a life of crime. But when he robs banks, stores, ect. he does have good intentions; he's trying to gather enough money to cure he daughter of cancer. That and when he was trying to steal Uncle Ben's car, I admit it wasn't that smart to be pointing a gun at someone and be in some other state of mind (distracted), he didn't mean to kill him; which really doesn't make him a villian. And as for Eddie, when Parker stole Gwen from him he suddenly began to hate Parker (who wouldn't). When he was finally consumed by the symbiote he really just let his personal demons show and became Venom; and from there and to his unfortunate demise (damn you Raimi) he had every evil intention to kill SpiderMan.........but really didn't put up much of a fight. Further more, Doc and SandMan were misguided people with good motives and Eddie was a misguided monster with evil motives to kill.

I think you misunderstand what the term villain means. Whether they're victims of circumstance, or their intentions are noble, it's their actions that label them as villains. Their evil actions do not justify the means of their goals. That makes them villains. Ra's Al Ghul in Batman Begins wanted to serve justice by getting rid of all evil. Destroying Gotham City is not the way to do it. That makes him a villain. Magneto in the X-Men movies wants to make sure mutants survive. Killing all of humanity is not the way to do it. That makes him a villain.

All of the villains in the Spidey movies had sympathetic angles to them:

-Norman was being forced out of his own company by greedy board members. He was so desperate to keep his company that he tested a formula, which had shown negative side effects, on himself.

-Octavius lost his wife because he refused to shut down his reactor, despite the dangers it was causing destroying his lab. It's his fault his wife died and the arms got fused to his body. And his goal was totally selfish. He was trying to rebuild his own experiment. He wasn't trying to help anyone else. He was satisfying his own desires.

-Marko was only trying to save his dying daughter, and accidently killed a man in the process, which he was wracked with guilt over.

-Harry was only trying to honour his dad by avenging his death by getting revenge on the person he thought murdered his dad.

Brock was the only one with no redeeming qualities. He was just your stereotypical jerk, and that's why I found him the least interesting of all the movie villains.

 

[Killing Joke926]

I think you misunderstand what the term villain means. Whether they're victims of circumstance, or their intentions are noble, it's their actions that label them as villains. Their evil actions do not justify the means of their goals. That makes them villains. Ra's Al Ghul in Batman Begins wanted to serve justice by getting rid of all evil. Destroying Gotham City is not the way to do it. That makes him a villain. Magneto in the X-Men movies wants to make sure mutants survive. Killing all of humanity is not the way to do it. That makes him a villain.

All of the villains in the Spidey movies had sympathetic angles to them:

-Norman was being forced out of his own company by greedy board members. He was so desperate to keep his company that he tested a formula, which had shown negative side effects, on himself.

-Octavius lost his wife because he refused to shut down his reactor, despite the dangers it was causing destroying his lab. It's his fault his wife died and the arms got fused to his body. And his goal was totally selfish. He was trying to rebuild his own experiment. He wasn't trying to help anyone else. He was satisfying his own desires.

-Marko was only trying to save his dying daughter, and accidently killed a man in the process, which he was wracked with guilt over.

-Harry was only trying to honour his dad by avenging his death by getting revenge on the person he thought murdered his dad.

Brock was the only one with no redeeming qualities. He was just your stereotypical jerk, and that's why I found him the least interesting of all the movie villains.

I see your point now; I guess what I was really trying to say is that some of the villians to me weren't the best adversaries to SpiderMan. Especially and unfortunatly Venom; he should have been a lot more.

 

[shigsy2003]

I liked Venom's death because Spider-Man actually killed him. Venom didn't kill himself...thankfully. Also Spidey just proper nailed him...he didn't allow for respite. He ****ing trapped him within a circle of steel bars, ***ted the f*** out of the them and then through a bomb at the symbiote. When he needs to Spidey can kill.

 

[shigsy2003]

I think you misunderstand what the term villain means. Whether they're victims of circumstance, or their intentions are noble, it's their actions that label them as villains. Their evil actions do not justify the means of their goals. That makes them villains. Ra's Al Ghul in Batman Begins wanted to serve justice by getting rid of all evil. Destroying Gotham City is not the way to do it. That makes him a villain. Magneto in the X-Men movies wants to make sure mutants survive. Killing all of humanity is not the way to do it. That makes him a villain.

All of the villains in the Spidey movies had sympathetic angles to them:

-Norman was being forced out of his own company by greedy board members. He was so desperate to keep his company that he tested a formula, which had shown negative side effects, on himself.

-Octavius lost his wife because he refused to shut down his reactor, despite the dangers it was causing destroying his lab. It's his fault his wife died and the arms got fused to his body. And his goal was totally selfish. He was trying to rebuild his own experiment. He wasn't trying to help anyone else. He was satisfying his own desires.

-Marko was only trying to save his dying daughter, and accidently killed a man in the process, which he was wracked with guilt over.

-Harry was only trying to honour his dad by avenging his death by getting revenge on the person he thought murdered his dad.

Brock was the only one with no redeeming qualities. He was just your stereotypical jerk, and that's why I found him the least interesting of all the movie villains.

All good points but I found Brock to be refreshing. He is evil just because it makes him happy. He doesn't want forgiveness, he would be happy to die a monster and he hasn't got anyone to live up to. He just wants to kill Spider-Man....

 

[Blader5489]

Brock was the only one with no redeeming qualities. He was just your stereotypical jerk, and that's why I found him the least interesting of all the movie villains.

I wouldn't say that. But, being Peter's mirror opposite, Eddie was pretty hollow inside and was always overcompensating for it. Because of that, he constantly blew things out of proportion (calling his coffee date with Gwen an amazing night, wanting to marry her even though she wasn't interested in him, blaming Peter for his own screwups, etc).

Also keep in mind that Venom was essentially Peter's dark side incarnate. There really can't be any redeeming qualities for a character like that.

 

[The Joker]

I wouldn't say that.

I would. That's why it's my opinion.

But, being Peter's mirror opposite, Eddie was pretty hollow inside and was always overcompensating for it. Because of that, he constantly blew things out of proportion (calling his coffee date with Gwen an amazing night, wanting to marry her even though she wasn't interested in him, blaming Peter for his own screwups, etc).

Exactly. He was your typical loser jerk. Not interesting at all, IMO. I didn't connect with him, I didn't pity him, I didn't care about his character, perhaps because so little time was spent with him.

Boring character with little substance.

Also keep in mind that Venom was essentially Peter's dark side incarnate. There really can't be any redeeming qualities for a character like that.

Venom is not Peter's dark side. To be the dark side of someone there has to be similarities. Peter and Brock have nothing in common except for photography. And that's in the movie. In the comics, they have zilch in common.

Similar powers is as far as it stretches.

 

[TheCaptain22555]

First off. This is Hollywood. If they want to get Pete with MJ before Gwen is even introduced, I'm sure they could manufacture a reason for Brock living through an explosion. X-Ray skeleton image or not. So I won't even acknowledge Venom's alleged death. My favorite is Green Goblin. "Don't tell Harry..." then boom, just hunches over and dies. Second is Doc Ock's. He dies with his creation, the creation that took his wife's life and in turn gained some redemption for all the pain his madness had caused. That was a beautiful scene.

 

[BruceBanner]

According to the poll results, I'm in a minority, but I liked Doc Ock's death most of all. Even though it was inherently different to the comics, I liked the way they had the superhero saving himself and his girlfriend, while the supervillain saved the whole city. You don't often see that in a comic book movie. Imagine if at the end of Batman (1989), the Joker had suddenly turned and switched on a machine that sucked all the poison gas out of the Gotham air.