F'dup Chapters in American History(The Trump Years) - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Part 25

[DeadPresident]

Ehh, I dunno. There's probably going to be some legal back-and-forth gray area stuff on this, not due to Cohen himself being a problem in terms of wiretap validity, but the relationship to the President might cloud it a little. *Shrugs*

Depends what comes of it. If there's some bombshell in the calls incriminating Trump, then yeah, you guys will have the party of a lifetime. If the tapped calls are Cohen's-****ed and Cohen's-****ed only (which is more than possible), it's not going to amount to a bring-down of Cap'n Hairpiece.

Short of something up-and-above the payoff, like an actual black-and-white provable "she was threatened, on Trump's orders", I can't see all the pornstar stuff reaching impeachment levels.

I'm no lawyer but there's probably a lot of technicality in this that someone like Mueller can dedicate resources to if he feels like it. Trump, considering the way he's conducted himself in the past, and how he seems barely in touch with reality at the best of times, doesn't seem smart enough to have censored his engagements with Cohen sufficiently to keep himself out of the firing line. If anything untoward was done by Cohen at Trump's behest it'll open him up to some kind of repercussion, executive privilege can only go so far.

Not to mention how some revelations could turn public opinion, once the public wants him gone it won't be difficult for prosecutors to sell it.

 

[mclay18]

We should give Ms. Daniels a Congressional Medal of Honor or something after all this is over.

 

[DeadPresident]

Well if everything goes according to plan her participation will mean she gets to **** Trump one last time.

 

[Aximili86]

But if it's a campaign finance violation and it goes towards obstruction then it's one more of many irons to throw on the fire, which isn't a single ember mind you but a ****ing bonfire at this point.

*shrugs*

It looks that way, sure. But the investigation is still going on, it sort of feels like if they had a smoking gun on any obstruction it'd all be out by now. Could go this way, I'm just skeptical the obstruction element is going to amount to actual hard "we've got you on this, here's the documented proof, you're done". They've already basically shifted tack on collusion - that doesn't mean the same'll happen with obstruction of course. I just can't see them actually indicting a sitting president over even a dozen instances of "this looks really bad and I don't believe in coincidences", it's going to have to be a pretty big individual instance where no reasonable person could shed any doubt that he did.

Doesn't seem we're there yet, unless there's something new & huge in these Cohen taps. Which there could be. But also not, we're going to have to wait and see, that final day when Mueller comes out personally and lays it all out there.

But yeah, embers don't bring down Presidents no matter how many. It'll be a big-ass napalm bomb they have to point to, if it goes that way.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Avanti said he was going to send FAUX News a fruit basket or something along those lines. God I love this guy.

Now there is a real gangster.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

It looks that way, sure. But the investigation is still going on, it sort of feels like if they had a smoking gun on any obstruction it'd all be out by now. Could go this way, I'm just skeptical the obstruction element is going to amount to actual hard "we've got you on this, here's the documented proof, you're done". They've already basically shifted tack on collusion - that doesn't mean the same'll happen with obstruction of course. I just can't see them actually indicting a sitting president over even a dozen instances of "this looks really bad and I don't believe in coincidences", it's going to have to be a pretty big individual instance where no reasonable person could shed any doubt that he did.

Doesn't seem we're there yet, unless there's something new & huge in these Cohen taps. Which there could be. But also not, we're going to have to wait and see, that final day when Mueller comes out personally and lays it all out there.

But yeah, embers don't bring down Presidents no matter how many. It'll be a big-ass napalm bomb they have to point to, if it goes that way.

Its almost like you keep using that line as things get worse and worse.

 

[Aximili86]

I'm no lawyer but there's probably a lot of technicality in this that someone like Mueller can dedicate resources to if he feels like it. Trump, considering the way he's conducted himself in the past, and how he seems barely in touch with reality at the best of times, doesn't seem smart enough to have censored his engagements with Cohen sufficiently to keep himself out of the firing line. If anything untoward was done by Cohen at Trump's behest it'll open him up to some kind of repercussion, executive privilege can only go so far.

Not to mention how some revelations could turn public opinion, once the public wants him gone it won't be difficult for prosecutors to sell it.

Yeah, totally. All possible.

All I'm saying is we've only just found out about the tap, and don't know crap about what was in the calls. Seems a little early to break out the champagne and dancing a funky happy-dance just yet. It's clearly another feather in the cap for the "this guy's a crook!" crowd though, for sure.

 

[DeadPresident]

It took years before Nixon's shenanigans caught up with him. We're barely past a year into Trump's presidency and the Feds have already tapped his lawyer's phones likely on suspicion of a serious crime?

As far as politics goes this is moving at ****ing breakneck speed.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

We should give Ms. Daniels a Congressional Medal of Honor or something after all this is over.

Noble! Noble! Noble!

 

[Aximili86]

Its almost like you keep using that line as things get worse and worse.

Just consistency.

I mean, if they had him dead-to-rights, it wouldn't take 18 months even with a President. Honestly, it wouldn't surprise me one bit if they do indict him over some of this, it's seeming pretty likely. Just how much of it, and how severe, and what the hell comes of it in terms of him staying in office, it's all spitballing at this point. Mueller and his closest circle of peeps are in the know, and we're all farting in the wind, basically.

 

[DeadPresident]

Yeah, totally. All possible.

All I'm saying is we've only just found out about the tap, and don't know crap about what was in the calls. Seems a little early to break out the champagne and dancing a funky happy-dance just yet. It's clearly another feather in the cap for the "this guy's a crook!" crowd though, for sure.

What? Fam, we knew this guy was a crook in the 90s. The only crowd that deserves to have the piss taken out of them is the "This criminal and narcissistic *****ebag leopard changed his spots when he became president!" crowd.

This isn't a case of "if", it's a case of "when" - something that Trump did will stick, it's statistically inevitable for a pathalogical liar with a questionable relationship with the law for the last thirty years.

 

[DeadPresident]

Just consistency.

I mean, if they had him dead-to-rights, it wouldn't take 18 months even with a President. Honestly, it wouldn't surprise me one bit if they do indict him over some of this, it's seeming pretty likely. Just how much of it, and how severe, and what the hell comes of it in terms of him staying in office, it's all spitballing at this point. Mueller and his closest circle of peeps are in the know, and we're all farting in the wind, basically.

Considering the scope and complexity I think anything short of his first term is unusually fast. The amount of investigation and bureaucracy necessary to get the kind of information we're talking about seems like it would take unusually long.

The break-in at the Watergate was in 1972, Nixon resigned in 1974 and that seems like a much clearer case than this. I wouldn't be surprised if it took the entirety of his first term, but something will stick.

 

[Tempus Fugit]

What? we knew this guy was a crook in the 90s.

It was pretty obvious what kind of guy Trump was in the 80's as well.

As to the timeline for his eventual indictment;
I won't be shocked if he makes it to the end of his first term before charges get released.
I won't be shocked if he doesn't make it through the next 2 & 1/2 years either.
I will be shocked if he gets reelected.

As you said, leveling charges against a sitting president isn't a fast process even when it's straightforward.

 

[mclay18]

It took years before Nixon's shenanigans caught up with him. We're barely past a year into Trump's presidency and the Feds have already tapped his lawyer's phones likely on suspicion of a serious crime?

As far as politics goes this is moving at ****ing breakneck speed.

What are the odds that Trump makes it to 2020?

Ghoulani just made things easier for Mueller and the grand jury.

 

[mclay18]

Noble! Noble! Noble!

That'll go to Moon Jae-in.

 

[Tempus Fugit]

What are the odds that Trump makes it to 2020?

Ghoulani just made things easier for Mueller and the grand jury.

The last time I checked, Vegas had the odds of Trump making it to 2020 at 3 to 2 against. That was before the whole Stormy Daniels/Campaign finance law violation thing though so it could have changed since then.

 

[DeadPresident]

What are the odds that Trump makes it to 2020?

Ghoulani just made things easier for Mueller and the grand jury.

I don't think he makes it to 2020. It's in the interest of American democracy as a few relatively key institutions that Trump doesn't.

 

[Sithborg]

Mueller isn't going to charge a sitting president. It has been said they are abiding by the current DOJ decision about that. He is not going to put his investigation at risk by giving a report before he is done. Which, as we can see by how Manafort continually seems to be getting ****ed, he is still turning up a ton of ****.

 

[MagnarTheGreat]

Trump's new lawyer Rudy 'Mayor of 9/11' Giuliani is telling Jeff Sessions to commit obstruction of justice and interfere in the investigations and/or shut them down. Giuliani said that Ivanka cannot be interviewed because she's a woman (sexist) and men are disposable (backed the bus up and ran over Jared) and said the FBI are like (Nazi or Star Wars) 'Stormtroopers',

 

[DeadPresident]

My bet is Trump resigns because the pressure gets too high, after which he likely will be charged and he'll have to hope Pence pardons him.

But at that stage he's a disgraced ex-president whose dirty business laundry has been aired and nobody can be seen to get close to him from a commercial sense.

 

[Orba]

Mueller Seeks 70 Blank Subpoenas in Manafort Case

Special Counsel Robert Mueller on Thursday filed a request for 70 blank subpoenas in the Virginia court presiding over one of two criminal proceedings involving former Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort.

These are newly filed so it would seem that these are in addition to the 35 blank subpoenas he already asked for a month ago.

 

[Hobgoblin]

I would think that the logical thing for Trump to do would be to resign and save his own butt. Cut his losses and go back to being a big shot in New York. I just don't know if his ego will allow him to admit defeat. Every time someone accuses him of something he doubles down.

 

[Lily Adler]

Trump's new lawyer Rudy 'Mayor of 9/11' Giuliani is telling Jeff Sessions to commit obstruction of justice and interfere in the investigations and/or shut them down. Giuliani said that Ivanka cannot be interviewed because she's a woman (sexist) and men are disposable (backed the bus up and ran over Jared) and said the FBI are like (Nazi or Star Wars) 'Stormtroopers',

Probably with the former on that storm trooper reference.

 

[DJ_KiDDvIcIOUs]

It looks that way, sure. But the investigation is still going on, it sort of feels like if they had a smoking gun on any obstruction it'd all be out by now. Could go this way, I'm just skeptical the obstruction element is going to amount to actual hard "we've got you on this, here's the documented proof, you're done". They've already basically shifted tack on collusion - that doesn't mean the same'll happen with obstruction of course. I just can't see them actually indicting a sitting president over even a dozen instances of "this looks really bad and I don't believe in coincidences", it's going to have to be a pretty big individual instance where no reasonable person could shed any doubt that he did.

Doesn't seem we're there yet, unless there's something new & huge in these Cohen taps. Which there could be. But also not, we're going to have to wait and see, that final day when Mueller comes out personally and lays it all out there.

But yeah, embers don't bring down Presidents no matter how many. It'll be a big-ass napalm bomb they have to point to, if it goes that way.

Just consistency.

I mean, if they had him dead-to-rights, it wouldn't take 18 months even with a President. Honestly, it wouldn't surprise me one bit if they do indict him over some of this, it's seeming pretty likely. Just how much of it, and how severe, and what the hell comes of it in terms of him staying in office, it's all spitballing at this point. Mueller and his closest circle of peeps are in the know, and we're all farting in the wind, basically.

I love how the longer you post here and the more damning evidence that comes out on a near daily basis the, uh, "less intelligent" your posts become comrade.

You do realize it took nearly 3 years for Nixon to get nailed to the wall right?

I'll also go ahead and school you on what it actually takes to get a wiretap approved on attorney, much less an attorney directly serving the POTUS.

For a wiretap to be approved you have to get that signed off by a federal judge and it almost always has to do with either an ongoing crime as opposed to a past crime. Judges also take attorney/client privilege as a highly regarded part of being a US Citizen.

Knowing all of this, the ONLY WAY they got Cohen tapped was with damning evidence most likely on Trump himself. Highly unlikely it's just his children or top administration.

Mueller is in the process of crossing his t's and dotting his i's right now. With the news yesterday that they informed Trump's team a subpeona is not out of the question of Trump doesn't agree to an interview you can but dollars to donuts Team Mueller has him dead to rights before Cohen was raided.

Talking to a wiretapped Cohen the day after the raid is literally just the icing on a cake made from pure self-incrimination.

Dos va donya comrade.

 

[Sithborg]

Awww, turns out it wasn't a phone tap, only a log of phone calls.