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F'dup Chapters in American History(The Trump Years) - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Part 29

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Not to mention kicking out all trans service members. Or potentially all DACA service members. Oh, and nominating a drug dealer as the head of the VA. It is pretty clear that to Trump, the military is just a prop. Anything good that has been done for veterans has been done by other people.
 
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Trump is so good to veterans that he banned transgender people from serving because he's a hateful bigot.

Didn't he skip a Memorial Day event last year so his toupee wouldn't get wet?
 
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What sites would you have preferred? MSNBC? CNN? The very networks that have a clear bias AGAINST our President? The Democrat dominated news media will look at anything Trump does and try to smear him.

I honestly think that this gets to the crux of it. At the end of the day, you've lost track of what's reliable and what's not. And in this day and age where everyone and their mother has an angle, I can't blame you. So please... believe me.... yes, CNN and NBC news are much more reliable than Britebart, The Washington Examiner, or The Daily Caller. The former might be flawed... they are sensationalist... and they too bow to their corporate interests.... but they are legitimate news networks. They are manned by professionals; they have a code of conduct; their goal is to present what's going on and yes - to give their views on what that means. The outlets aren't biased against Trump.... they just share the view of most reasonable people that throwing away decades of precedent without deliberation is a bad thing. The likes of the Daily Caller are not reliable in any way shape or form. They proudly proclaim their bias; their primary purpose is to be conservative leaning commentary. And there is an entire industry based on extracting money from conservatives.... far and beyond anything on the liberal side.

This is not hard to understand.

NYT, WaPo, Chicago Tribune, USA Today, TIME, CNN, NBC - reputable, professional news agencies, manned by educated journalists... armed with years of journalistic success. They exposed Watergate. They got us the Pentagon Papers.
Britebart, The Daily Caller, OANN, Fox News, Washington Examiner, Limbaugh - these are unreputable, money making organizations with the primary goal of making money from naive and gullible conservatives... usually older, less educated, white. They are manned by bloggers and those who proudly wear their political agenda on their sleeve.

There's a difference. You should look into it, and avoid these conservative shuxters in the future.

Heck, they used Diet Soda, paper towels and the size of his hands as attacks. They're that desperate. CNN's own Kathy Griffin did a mock beheading of him.

Fox used a tan suit and spicy mustard as attacks. They called him a socialist. A Muslim. A closeted gay with his transgender wife. An extremist. The Anti-Christ. They burned him in effigy. Caricatured him as an ape.

And by paper towels, you mean Trump throwing needy, hungry Puerto Ricans paper towels? Cause that was a ridiculous moment and totally deserving of criticism.

And hey, I'm laying out facts here too pal. Several links worth of all the good Trump is doing for our veterans and you're ignoring all of them with your blind hatred of Trump.

1) Your facts are suspect based on the citations you are using. It's that simple. Find actual journalism operations if you want to spread facts... not conservative tabloid garbage.
2) You're laying out one side of the story, and refusing to acknowledge the other side. Obama did a lot of good things for Veterans too. He signed a lot of bills. But the proof is in the pudding, and it's not about the bills you sign or the statements you make... it's about the effect you create. And telling a small portion of the country that they aren't good enough to protect our freedoms because we disagree with their choices is not pro-military, not pro veteran. So if we're going to have a conversation, it has to be holistically, where we take into account the good and the bad.

Is Trump a perfect guy? Of course not. I'm not calling him some saint or messiah. He's got an ego. I imagine He's probably lived quite a wild life in his younger days with all of his wealth. But he is delivering on his campaign promises. He is fixing this country for the better. The media are the ones dividing the country with their constant racism and sexism accusations, riling up gullible people stupid enough to fall for their lies.

He lived quite the life in his older years too, having cheated on his 3rd wife with porn stars... 2 that we know of. And then there is admitting to sexual assault on tape.

He is not delivering on his campaign promises. Is the Wall getting paid for by Mexico? Has he delivered a new insurance system that provides better care and lesser cost?

This is unbelievable. The President says controversial... racial things, and you get mad at the media for telling their viewers about what he did. Like, no one forced him to mock a disabled reporter. No one said it was a good idea to insinuate that certain reporters don't like him because they are on their period. Those are just terrible, stupid things to say. And the media reports it. What's the problem?

And this golden calf talk really is a bit much. (JESUS CHRIST is my only God. These far right people can piss off with their 'god-emperor Trump' blasphemy) Supporting Trump is far different than outright WORSHIP of him. I've already stated in the past that I have my own disagreements with the President on issues (reversing the trophy ban on Elephants, cuts to food stamps, undoing Obamacare)

Look - I'm sorry.. but it's not. If you are a Christian, then you are acting as a Christian in name only by supporting President Trump. He is the complete opposite of what Jesus professed, and by voting for him... you are saying that Trump's teachings are more important than the teachings of Jesus. What are these teachings? Hmm... Well:

You should only help someone if they can help you too.
It's okay to lie and steal if you can get away with it.
If you are transgender, you deserve to be treated differently than everyone else.
Hurt your friends. Befriend your enemies.

He's just antithetical to the God you do worship is all... which makes it strange to side with him on things like discriminating against gay people, kidnapping children, condoning attacks on innocent journalists, etc. These two roads diverged, and you went with Trump... which means that you are valuing his word over that of the Lord.



but I still support him on a majority of other issues, such as the wall, his stance on abortion, the booming economy and his progress in the fight against ISIS.

The Wall is a useless symbol and nothing more without manned guards. You know this.
That all abortion should be illegal? ... that's evil.
The booming economy isn't because of Trump.
The fight against ISIS was pretty much nearly won before Trump got into office.


If you don't like him, hey that's fine, it's a free country. But I have just as much of a right to be here supporting him as you do to be here criticizing him. I don't think I should be railroaded by everyone anytime I post anything showing Trump in a favorable light.

I appreciate this sentiment. I do. No one likes to be railroaded in these situations. I've been in these type of situations where the group think was against me, and I couldn't convey what I was really trying to say. I get how frustrating that can be. But this is a public forum bro. It's meant for discussion and polite debate. When you bring up positive things about Trump in this space that are incorrect, we're going to point them out. And that's us being good friends to you... believe it or not. You're wrong, but that's not because you are dumb or cruel... you just haven't been properly exposed to reality yet... so we're trying to help you out.
 
- He used a Doctor on his father’s payroll to give him a fake diagnosis of bone spurs to avoid Vietnam.

- He compared making it through the 1970s without getting STDs to serving in Vietnam.

- He said John McCain wasn’t a hero because “I like the ones who didn’t get captured”, denigrating all POWs in the process.

- He lied about donating to a veterans charity during the campaign.

- His latest budget would cut funding for the VA and benefits for veterans and their families while he’s cost taxpayers $73 million golfing.
I just want to add insulting Gold Star families and pissing off multiple veterans enough to run against him - some of whom have risen to a rather high profile...
 
The unfortunate drawback of trying to debate a Trump supporter is that most, if not all of them, suffer from a serious cognitive problem that Trump himself suffers from: An inability to see the bigger picture.

You often see Trumplings try and use smaller, insignificant (and often egregiously exaggerated 'positives') tidbits as justification for behavior that is measurably negative on a large scale.

So if one mentions that Trump's conduct is potentially going to land the US in another prolonged Middle Eastern conflict they'll probably reply with "Yeah but he's showing Iran he means business"/"He's protecting US interests"/"He's not allowing dictators to walk all over us"/etc - when any of those things are irrelevant bravado, while a new war would cost the US hundreds of billions and affect Americans lives in a material and observable way.

At the risk of getting permanently banned (so I'll word it gently) - most Trump supporters can't see that almost all the things they place value in is the political equivalent of rearranging the furniture on the ****-filled Titanic that is Donald Trump's presidency, but because they're frequently quite dense they can't even distinguish between subjective Trumpian smoke and mirrors and objectively important issues.
 
Basically no one that voted for Trump can ever admit they made a mistake at this point. They can't afford to give the other side that win, lol.
 
Mueller speaking at 11est. Temper expectations.

If it closes the investigation definitively with his findings and we can move on finally Im content. Im just sick of hearing about it and endless interpretations and possible scenarios, it really is headache enducing
 
Doubt he will say anything substantial. He clearly believes the report should speak for itself, and doesn't want to get into the politics of it. He doesn't want to be seen on anyone's "side."
 
I’m tired of giving the guy the benefit of the doubt, frankly. We waited 2 years for an investigation that didn’t interview the president and didn’t follow the money trail and didn’t make a decision on obstruction. And now mueller doesn’t want to testify publicly? Tough crap.

It’s pretty clear at this point that mueller is not the attack dog prosecutor that we needed.
 
I don’t know much about the political leanings of CBN but this article was disturbing enough:

Economic Models Point to a Big Win for Trump in 2020

I really do believe if things carry on as they are, there is no stopping Trump. The other major thing is that even if the economy goes down big time, Trump will spin and blame others and say if he’s allowed to cut loose he will make things great again like they were in his first term. The voters will fall head over heels for this crap.

I am honestly not trying to sound like a defeatist but I really see no chance of a Dem gathering enough steam to beat Trump. The candidates are all over the place and the party has no idea of what it wants
 
This is crap. Mueller needs to be questioned. Simple questions. Stuff like...

Did you look into the Trump family finances? If no, why not? I am totally dissatisfied with mueller rejecting questioning. Screw that.
 
I don’t know much about the political leanings of CBN but this article was disturbing enough:

Economic Models Point to a Big Win for Trump in 2020

I really do believe if things carry on as they are, there is no stopping Trump. The other major thing is that even if the economy goes down big time, Trump will spin and blame others and say if he’s allowed to cut loose he will make things great again like they were in his first term. The voters will fall head over heels for this crap.

I am honestly not trying to sound like a defeatist but I really see no chance of a Dem gathering enough steam to beat Trump. The candidates are all over the place and the party has no idea of what it wants
CBN stands for Christian Broadcast Network of 700 Club fame, just as an FYI. So make of that what you will.
 
CBN stands for Christian Broadcast Network of 700 Club fame, just as an FYI. So make of that what you will.

Fair enough but the prediction models and sources in the articles including other more balanced sources really paint a huge win for Trump. Let’s see if the economy takes a nosedive but even if it slows down or takes even a minor hit, his chances are still very good
 
it depends on how much of the report Mueller can answer from... if he's able to read just about any part that isn't highly classified (rather than just redacted for Trump's protection) then i think 90% of the answers will be revealed.

it'll take shrewd questions though
 
Fair enough but the prediction models and sources in the articles including other more balanced sources really paint a huge win for Trump. Let’s see if the economy takes a nosedive but even if it slows down or takes even a minor hit, his chances are still very good

Trump’s EC victory was the narrowest in history— how do you eke out another one (without Russia helping)? His re-election victory would be a sure thing if his approval rating was over 50% — and it’s stuck in the 33-40% range. His actions are not helping grow his voter base, if anything it’s getting smaller.

Keep in mind that polls said Hillary would win the 2016 election... and look what happened. Never take political polls as definitive proof of someone winning (re) election.

I hope that Trump ends up being a one term President, but that’s not a sure thing. Nothing is until voters cast their ballots.
 
I mean, Congress needs the unredacted report.
 
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