February 2012 Solicitations

Thoughts on Solicits

The Good

-Art Adams covers are awesome..really like them
-Mark Bagely working at marvel is picking up my spirits, any book he's in just flows right and usually is good.
-Pretty good art on most of the covers...as much as I gripe about marvel, the quality of the art is excellent.


The bad

-Really not excited about much of anything
-Avengers...is that Avengers Vs Hand Ninjas? Again? Really?
-Double shipping is ridiculous, it's obviously a damage control operation, and the fans are seeing through it.
-Battle Scars..Yawn. Really who would be surprised if this guy was another lost super soldier or some sort of Nick Fury clone that brings the black Fury to 616.

I know many would have issue of this, but marvel has some decent black characters in limbo like Battle Star, Guantlet, Blue Marvel..heck even Falcon doesnt get enough good stories. He's aoften just a character who shows up for a panel or two to help out.
 
Full Solicitations here.

Would anyone here recommend any of the classic Avengers trade from that list? I'll be getting the Kree/Skrull War OHC, but what about the other stuff?

Thanks!

Thoughts/Rants:

- The very first trade collection is THE CROSSING from the 90's, which was without a doubt one of the worst Avengers stories of the period which practically paved the path to HEROES REBORN being used to wash the funk away. Reprinting that story, back when a previous administration of "genius" half wit editors wanted to "fix" everything and ultimately did more harm than good would be a refresher course to avoid such things now in the second decade of the 21st century. Oh, well.

- WINTER SOLDIER, the latest Brubaker/Cap book debuts, and guess what? A #1 issue for an ongoing series at $2.99! Marvel promised to start doing that back at the NYCC for 2010, and it only took them two years and DC selling a bajillion copies of #1 issues at $2.99 to spark this change. But will it last for more ongoings? In fairness, the series does double ship, but I'd rather pay $5.98 across 2 weeks for 40-44 pages of story than $3.99 for at best 30 pages of story (and usually around 25 or less pages).

- I liked the first issue of BATTLE SCARS (although it was fortunate to come out in a light week). It wasn't the best thing ever but I'm willing to give the new character of Marcus Johnson a chance. Plus, it has Taskmaster, Captain America, and Paladin in it, and I like them. Chris Yost is doing the real writing of it off Fraction and Bunn's ideas, which is fine. Yost is solid alone. I usually give new characters a chance.

- I probably will bite on DEFENDERS, and I hope I don't regret it. It's $3.99 an issue, it's Matt Fraction in decline, and the story looks weird. I'm desperate for Iron Fist, and Dodson's art is pretty. Sigh. It has come to the point where if I want to read Iron Fist, my choice is either THIS or NEW AVENGERS. :dry:

- It seems Alan Davis is sticking around CAPTAIN AMERICA for a stretch, which is cool. Great to have a great old hand like him back in a regular gig outside of Chris Claremont X-related stuff. I'll probably like WINTER SOLDIER better, but I've still enjoyed Brubaker on CA overall.

- AVENGERS ACADEMY is double-shipping again, and while double-shipping bleeds readers dry, it does do one thing; it helps lower selling titles wrap up arcs before cancellation hits. AA is safe, at least for now. March's issue will start the RUNAWAYS guest stint, and Gage insisted on Twitter that the series would be safe roughly as long as AVENGERS: THE INITIATIVE was, which ended after 35 issues. Of course, that launched under better times, and ended in early 2010. At any rate, this is one of my favorite books from Marvel right now if not THE favorite, so more issues will be a pleasure for me.

- SECRET AVENGERS, hmm. I ditched this after the end of the Nick Spencer run and haven't missed it. I still feel this is a book without much of a premise besides being a third Avengers title, beyond "the black ops book" - as if NEW AVENGERS doesn't do that. At any rate, unlike DEFENDERS, I like the creative team, and I like most of the characters. I'm also reading VENOM, which will be a sister book to this. Why am I more hesitant to hop back on this?

- Is anyone shocked that Joe Mad needs a break, at best, on AVENGING SPIDER-MAN after three issues? No. And it seems fans will be treated to new tracings of porn and wrestling magazines by Greg Land.

- VENOM #13, .1-.4. Oh boy. Where to begin. This is a marketing scheme to use the modestly selling VENOM to promote the worse selling HULK, X-23, and GHOST RIDER, and the latter two have just been axed. This is forcing readers who have stuck around for a book that sells 32k to buy five issues within a month instead of just decide to ditch the arc and maybe the series on a whim to save costs, especially as Bendis' books are all double shipping. This is shipping SIX ISSUES IN ONE MONTH. This is a bit mad. People used to joke that when DC used to fear for a franchise, they'd give it extra books. Now DC has ditched that and Marvel is.

- AMAZING SPIDER-MAN is triple shipping with another .1 issue. The last one launched VENOM successfully, but this one is likely just a spare extra issue. Unless Marvel seriously wants to launch a Morbius series. At any rate, I'm digging ASM so I'll likely be aboard.

- More DAREDEVIL = more awesomeness. I would like to see some more original villains or DD villains redone from obscurity than just a round robin of spare Marvel rogues like Klaw or Mole Man, but Waid and his artists are executing it so well that frankly I don't care. DD could be fighting a mugger and they'd make a solid issue of it.

- FANTASTIC FOUR and FF have split and somehow counted towards each other's numbering while retaining both numbers. Maybe Marvel's problem is they can't count, period. At any rate, I'll get FANTASTIC FOUR #600 and I am still on FF for now, but I may have to think for a week or two whether I like Hickman's run enough to double up.

- For the record, VILLAINS FOR HIRE was once a 6 issue mini. The last ad I saw for it was for 5. Now it is 4 issues. Another sign of the culling. At any rate, I'll take what I can get for the last hurrah of DnA's H4H run. It's frankly been more fun than ANNIHILATORS has been from them.

- T-Bolts continues the time travel gimmick, which has saved Parker's run from becoming boring for the moment. So long as he doesn't overuse it, it should make up for his inability to center a plot around an antagonist.

- Let me get this straight. Marvel has allowed THE TWELVE to run roughly 3.5 years late, if not more. It was a story that was partly centered around a murder mystery. And in the first solicit for the next issues, Marvel literally gives away the mystery. Yes, the story was heading there back in 2008, but still. I'll likely finish it, but jeez, offer me SOME surprise.

- This may be Gage's 3rd or 4th issue of X-MEN LEGACY run, and hopefully I'll like it enough to continue on with. The last writer I was willing to drift back into an X-Men book for was Joss Whedon, so the fact that Gage is up there too should speak volumes of my respect for his craft. I can say in all honesty that I have never read a story from Gage that I considered below average. However, I can say I have read some rare work from him I considered average, and that first AXM issue was - although admittedly, I didn't care for the art for that, and that wasn't Gage's fault. Here, the artist is better and it has some characters Gage has leeway with, so it hopefully will be good. I just hope it isn't rocked by X-events too much.
 
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- WINTER SOLDIER, the latest Brubaker/Cap book debuts, and guess what? A #1 issue for an ongoing series at $2.99! Marvel promised to start doing that back at the NYCC for 2010, and it only took them two years and DC selling a bajillion copies of #1 issues at $2.99 to spark this change.

Actually from what I was told, it's the exact opposite. No change at Marvel occurred and Marvel wanted to sell the book at the $3.99 price point. Ed Brubaker wanted it to be $2.99 and took a pay cut to get Marvel to change their minds.
 
Actually from what I was told, it's the exact opposite. No change at Marvel occurred and Marvel wanted to sell the book at the $3.99 price point. Ed Brubaker wanted it to be $2.99 and took a pay cut to get Marvel to change their minds.

Wow, really? Harsh.

And this is atop a rumor that Peter David took a pay cut to help keep X-FACTOR afloat.
 
Hippie i doubt theres a direct source with the proof to that, but any chance you got an article or so where he talks about that? That sounds ****ing horrible.
 
Wow that
A. Shows Brubaker's dedication to the book suceeding
B.Shows how out of touch Marvel is
C.Tells me Marvel might be headed to an impulsion soon
 
Brubaker is also pretty much off of Cap and Bucky starting next issue. I think they're only keeping his name on the credits to keep the sales where they are at.
 
EDIT - the post I was responding to must have been deleted....
 
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Hippie i doubt theres a direct source with the proof to that, but any chance you got an article or so where he talks about that? That sounds ****ing horrible.

No article. I was talking to someone who goes to my comic shop who works in the anime industry. He sometimes mingles with people who work in the comic industry and we were talking about how horrible the pay is for people who work in both industries and how fans are just completely oblivious to how bad it is.

Like Chris Yost for example hates writing for television but does it because his comics work just doesn't pay the bills. Ed Brubaker and Peter David took pay cuts to prevent Marvel from charging Winter Soldier and X-Factor at the $3.99 price point. Crappy romance novels are Marjorie Liu's bread and butter and when she expressed interest in taking on comics, her agents didn't take her all that seriously and thought she was being silly due to the low pay. Artists have it even worse, the pay rate per page for most artists is quite pitiful, a lot of writers and artists end up making a lot more money off of lower selling indie books than they do with higher selling mainstream books.

Brubaker will never admit to something like that in an article or interview. It would make his bosses at Marvel look bad.
 
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It's also probably why Bendis does like 50 million books at one time. :woot::oldrazz:
 
Thanks alot Hippie Hunter, man that is some deep bullcrap and yeah i thought Bru wouldn't be tweeting about those kinda things, but hey if this keeps up, maybe Bru will go back to DC?:oldrazz:

It's also probably why Bendis does like 50 million books at one time. :woot::oldrazz:

Yeah and why Creator owned stuff is becoming more popular, for example Millar offers 50% creator-ownership, so John Romita Jr got 20 thousand dollars just for being one of the "producers" or so of the movie, or maybe it was even more than that, still easy money when you think about it.
 
Thanks alot Hippie Hunter, man that is some deep bullcrap and yeah i thought Bru wouldn't be tweeting about those kinda things, but hey if this keeps up, maybe Bru will go back to DC?:oldrazz:
I would really love to have Brubaker come back to DC. He would be a great fit to the Batbooks (Detective Comics in particular).
 
Man, a Batman book by Brubaker and Michael Lark would make me cream my pants.
 
No article. I was talking to someone who goes to my comic shop who works in the anime industry. He sometimes mingles with people who work in the comic industry and we were talking about how horrible the pay is for people who work in both industries and how fans are just completely oblivious to how bad it is.

Like Chris Yost for example hates writing for television but does it because his comics work just doesn't pay the bills. Ed Brubaker and Peter David took pay cuts to prevent Marvel from charging Winter Soldier and X-Factor at the $3.99 price point. Artists have it even worse, the pay rate per page for most artists is quite pitiful, a lot of writers and artists end up making a lot more money off of lower selling indie books than they do with higher selling mainstream books.

Brubaker will never admit to something like that in an article or interview. It would make his bosses at Marvel look bad.

OK, this seriously depresses me. Is this how things are done with DC as well?
 
OK, this seriously depresses me. Is this how things are done with DC as well?

Overall DC is the same. Artists and writers aren't paid a lot. It's an industry wide thing. But I haven't heard of the multiple layoffs, pay cuts, and penny pinching at DC that's currently going on at Marvel. The situation at Marvel sounded a bit more depressing than the one at DC.
 
I'm sure it doesn't help that sales of comics have dropped dramatically over the years and the fact that there are very horrible people out there who pirate their comics off the Internet.
 
Arrrgh me matey!


Okay, I haven't actually done it in years but I still can't get mad at people who do. Marvel overcharges for comics and arranges it so you have to buy genres or multiple books to the point where fans just can't afford it, so they download. If Marvel priced things decently and made comics more stand alone I think there'd be less downloading. At least I know that'd be the case with some of the people I know.
 
There shouldn't be any downloading illegally at all. It's more than Marvel that puts labor into these books. Some of these guys slave to make the product and they're the ones who are paying the price for people being cheap and coming up with horrid reasons to basically steal.

The only excuse to pirate ANYTHING is if it's something you've already owned and don't have anymore or you will definitely be buying it in the future...be it tradepaper back or hardcover.

Other than that there is no excuse. It's stealing and taking money out of peoples pockets who work very hard to give you product. Blame Marvel's marketing all you want maybe they are evil but that's a horrible excuse for pirating comic books.
 
I'm not saying I approve of it, I'm simply saying I understand it. If Marvel's chasing off paying fans by overcharging or over shipping then they're a large part of the blame in my opinion. I do feel bad for the crew who put the books together.

And honestly, even the intent of buying it in the future isn't a good reason to download because what you read could change your mind and thus, you stole it. I get it if you've already owned it... which is why when I do download (and it's been a long time) I usually only download back issues for reserach purposes. The last time I downloaded something new was Mouse Guard: Winter when it wrapped up and I still haven't read it. I do look for it every time I'm at Half Priced Books though :)
 
Yeah, I understand. However, there are just a lot of people out there who just blatantly pirate their comics because their too cheap to just go out there and buy the books. Especially the creator owned stuff...
 
I've already come out and said I pirate comics, which for me was a good thing and saved me money. There is no way I was going to be able to buy EVERY SINGLE issue in the Fear Itself crossover. Downloading helped me keep up with the books I couldn't get...honestly though, I stopped downloading those after the first two months. That crossover was horrible, and shame on Marvel for shoving it all down the fans' throats. If it had been more interesting, I probably would have saved myself some money and bought the trade.
 
You know its funny, if i could be honest for a second, piracy is sort of the reason I myself got back into comics a few years back. About 4 years ago there used to be this website/blog on the net that, when it started out, had all of the issues of Ultimate Spiderman up to date scanned and available to read on the site. Then as the site grew, they added more and more comics. Soon enough there were literally maybe 2,000 fully scanned comics on the site to read. There were entire runs of Amazing Spider-man, Wolverine, House of M, Civil War and ALL of the tie-ins, Infinite Crisis and all it's tie-ins, up to date runs on Batman, Detective Comics, Superman, Green Lantern, all of the Ultimate books up to date etc. etc. Before I discovered that website i hadn't read comics in a long long time. But by being able to catch up on Marvel and Dc for free like that, it got me back into it. Obviously, the website got shut down, but once it did i started buying comics again like an addict. Kind of ironic.
 
See you eventually got into the comics though and started buying the stuff that you liked. I can definitely be down with that but I can't really support anybody doing it just because they think Marvel is the devil. It's not fair to the hard working artists and the up and coming creators who, probably, won't even be able to have a future if that trend exists.
 
Arrrgh me matey!


Okay, I haven't actually done it in years but I still can't get mad at people who do. Marvel overcharges for comics and arranges it so you have to buy genres or multiple books to the point where fans just can't afford it, so they download. If Marvel priced things decently and made comics more stand alone I think there'd be less downloading. At least I know that'd be the case with some of the people I know.
Doctor's are expensive but you don't see me saying "Thank you, you did a great job," and then I walk out the door without paying. If I can't afford it I find a way that I can or I just don't go.

I will admit I do read scans daily but they offer less pages than even a preview on comic sites, and I usually use it to preview books by looking at the tags and if I like the 4 to 5 pages they post I go out and buy the book. I did it for some book recently, but I can't remember.
 
Doctor's are expensive but you don't see me saying "Thank you, you did a great job," and then I walk out the door without paying. If I can't afford it I find a way that I can or I just don't go.

Are you kidding? If I had the oppertunity to get free health care I'd jump on that in a heart beat. Heck, I have a sister-in-law who's a nurses aid and what do I do? I call her first and foremost for advice and whatever she can do to help me and my family before paying a dime to a doctor. If my mother had meds prescribed to her that'd help me out and she offered them to me (and I know them well enough to know they'd be good for me) I'd take them without going to the doctor that prescribed them in a heartbeat.


edit: "Are you kidding" pun unintentional :D
 

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