FF2 will look rather basic compared to Spidey 3

[November Rain]

the only looks i've ever really had a problem with is ben grimm...

i'm never conviced he is supposed to be as strong as he is.....

apart from that, i'll suspend my belief and concentrate on the story...

 

[SeverianB]

But we don't need to see one Kevin.

The Fantastic Four are not angst-ridden, revenge-roiling crimefighters with EMO chips on their shoulders. They are a family of scientists, imaginauts and explorers. And while they may roll their sleeves up to get down and dirty every once in a while, kicking asses are not their specialty--and never have. They only use force when it's necessary. Peter Parker went looking for trouble in SM3--the FF don't share a similar motivation.

Let's rememeber that at the end of the day, Reed, Susan, Benjamin and Johnny are kinda like intergalactic diplomats--and their missions should reflect that.

Perfect.
I'm gonna buy you an Afro-pick, like the one the guy used to comb the desert in Spaceballs.
That's how much I agree with what you just said.

 

[Lightning Strykez!]

Hands Caliph his cookie for the day!!!!!!!!!!

*eats*

Perfect.
I'm gonna buy you an Afro-pick, like the one the guy used to comb the desert in Spaceballs.
That's how much I agree with what you just said.

 

[Cyrusbales]

One of the problems with SM3 was the overuse of effects. It became a video game.

I hate the fantastic four, both in the comics and the movie, HOWEVER, I think FF2 will be better than SM3, as it as have a more established tone and better characters, as in SM3, the characters were distorted horrifically beyond belief.

 

[terry78]

What was that, LS? The FF are not angst ridden and moody? They're not angry at the world? But, but....that's what ALL superhero movies should be like, otherwise they're not grounded in reality!!!! That reason right there is why I'm glad Goyer is not doing Flash, and Levy is. The Flash is like the FF in DC....he has dark moments and faces danger and crisis, but he loves being a hero.

 

[Advanced Dark]

Actually you are criticizing it Kevin. IMO the Rise of the Silver Surfer Trailer is better than any of the Spidey 3 trailers...way better. I thought the original FF was mediocre and the trailers were too but this one is on a whole other level. I also grade movies their own merit...not what could have been done, or what I think should have been done...but what was actually produced. I also don't give a **** how Galactus is presented as long as the concept is intact and it's done well. Whether Galactus is a cloud, a flower, or a pile of mud doesn't make a difference as far as the quality of the film. It might piss off some fans. Who cares? Yeah I know that's a separate rant.

 

[highguard]

^^ Galactus will be Galactus AD, they are just teasing us. Tim Story aint crazy.

 

[Advanced Dark]

^ I don't think Galactus is going to be a massive looking humanoid. It won't be that simple. I also dont' think he'll be so easily revealed. I think there is for sure gonna be some sort of cosmic cloud concealing him...or most of him.

 

[DieSmiling]

I actually agree with those saying that simpler might be better. I think Spidey's effects suffered because of how much they tried to cram in. The footage from the FF trailer, while not overly impressive, is very smooth and looks very good.

 

[Storm22]

I personally prefer a more realistic approach to the use of fx, especially in comic book movies. Seeing the likes of Catwoman, Daredevil and sometimes Spider-Man doing all these acrobatics and sometimes looking very video-gamey can be distracting. I personally prefer X-Men, Blade and Batman Begin's approach to the use of fx. I wouldn't worry too much about FF2 paling in comparison to SM3, as long as fx are used appropriately and not overdone then the movie shouldn't suffer - that and the story has to be good!

 

[Nokio]

SM3's fx was not that great to me. A lot of it looked liked video games. The part when sandman first makes an appearence, the terriable and obviously cgi looking crane sequence where it was tearing up the building. sorry, but no. I wasn't impressed by any of the Fx in SM3, well no i take that back. I did like the part where he rescued GS when she was falling, that looked good. I liked the movie, and the FX wasn't bad, it was good. A lot of parts you could really tell. Now Superman Returns was excellant FX, especially the Plane sequence. That looked really real. The GG Bridge sequence in X3 and the Bridge Sequence in WOTW looked great. The FX I've seen so far in F4: ROTS looks good. I don't see where Sony spent 258 million a especially since it was their in house Fx company.

 

[Nokio]

the only looks i've ever really had a problem with is ben grimm...

i'm never conviced he is supposed to be as strong as he is.....

apart from that, i'll suspend my belief and concentrate on the story...

Amen! Ben seems to be Spideman strong. This is a guy who's supposed to be able to tangle with the Hulk. Ben is power and looks wise is my biggest problem with the f4. Personality wise he's spot on. The Thing should not be shorter then HT and Reed. Chilklis is to short for the part if they weren't going to cgi enhance him bigger. I remember reading that David Borenaz/Angel was up for the role. If FOX was going to go the practical route then I would've perfered him, at least he's already taller then Ioan and Evans.

 

[David33]

While SM3 is a let down for many fans and is having mixed reviews,FF2 will impress audiences and I think it will have stronger legs than SM3.

 

[kedrell]

Amen! Ben seems to be Spideman strong. This is a guy who's supposed to be able to tangle with the Hulk. Ben is power and looks wise is my biggest problem with the f4. Personality wise he's spot on. The Thing should not be shorter then HT and Reed. Chilklis is to short for the part if they weren't going to cgi enhance him bigger. I remember reading that David Borenaz/Angel was up for the role. If FOX was going to go the practical route then I would've perfered him, at least he's already taller then Ioan and Evans.

What they could have done realisticly is shoot Grimm much of the time against green/blue screen and digitally composited him into the scenes with the other 3. Then they could have adjusted his size accordingly. Also would have been good to use a fair amount of forced perspective ala' LOTR. Probably would have added another 20M to the film's price tag though. But I know it can be done.

 

[Qwerty©]

SM3's fx was not that great to me. A lot of it looked liked video games. The part when sandman first makes an appearence,

Are you serious? That was the best CGi I have ever seen, and it was a whole 5 minutes of CGI!

 

[Nokio]

Are you serious? That was the best CGi I have ever seen, and it was a whole 5 minutes of CGI!

I didn't say it was awful ala Mummy returns, but you could tell easily. It wasn't poor cgi, but you could tell.

 

[Fanticon]

Well there are some things in Spiderman 3 that looked rather stupid, SFX overkill...things too fast for the human eye. Or giant Sandman, the most laughable part of the entire Spiderman trilogy. Basic...to me, sounds like a good thing. What counts is the adventure the film makers take us on with our cast of heroes and a few awe-inspiring cgi moments and thats about all you need to hold someones attention. Lets keep it basic.

 

[RagingTempest]

Basic....uhh...did we see the same trailer? If you want a basic superhero movie, look at the first X-men movie!! The action and special effects look so dated now, but the movie was still very good wasn't it? I think FF2 looks far superior than FF1 and much more eipc!! The action scenes look bigger and longer(I swear that chase sequence will be longer than the final battle with Doom in the first film) Now this doesn't say whether the movie will be good or not, but to say it looks basic is crazy!!

 

[Qwerty©]

I didn't say it was awful ala Mummy returns, but you could tell easily. It wasn't poor cgi, but you could tell.

That's probably due to the fact it was a bunch of sand forming into a human rather than any flaw with the technology.

I guess it's become the cool thing to do to hate on Spider-Man 3..

 

[highguard]

^^ Haters can eat spidey's 622 million worldwide take in 10 days, 10 days. It will be at 700 million by the end of the week. Can you believe that.

Shrek does not open until June and July, Pirates is two weeks away. Spiderman could easily make another 150 million overseas in the next 14 days alone. All that is left to determine is whether it will crack the billion dollar mark which seems very likely.

Astounding.

 

[TheComicbookKid]

Let's get away from the money argument.

Spidey wasn't that great to me. They stayed in the CG too much. Spidey 2 on the train had the right mix of real human and CG.

FF so far looks damn impressive. My only worry is Reed. The FX on him never looked good. I'm not sure it ever will though.

 

[Malus]

^^ Haters can eat spidey's 622 million worldwide take in 10 days, 10 days. It will be at 700 million by the end of the week. Can you believe that.

Shrek does not open until June and July, Pirates is two weeks away. Spiderman could easily make another 150 million overseas in the next 14 days alone. All that is left to determine is whether it will crack the billion dollar mark which seems very likely.

Astounding.

Actually Shrek opens this Friday(the 18th).
Then Pirates 3 is next Friday (the 25th).

It looks like Spidey 3 is going to end up way up there on the all-time list, which I have mixed feelings about.
On the one hand it guarantees that more Spidey films and more superhero films will get made. On the other hand, I fear that such success, in light of the film's overall mediocrity, will encourage studios to meddle freely and churn out even more truncated versions of our beloved characters than we've already suffered.
To me, The Hulk, Daredevil, X-Men and Fantastic Four all strayed tragically from the spirit of their comics counterparts. I enjoyed them as best I could (some quite a bit), but couldn't help lamenting what could have been.
Spider-man is the only Marvel property to significantly avoid these creative pitfalls. To me, Spider-man 1 & 2 feel much more like a Marvel comic come to life than anything else thus far. I came to Spidey 3 prepared for more of the same, and was very let down, much to my surprise. And the fact that I'm far from alone tells me that, at the very least, this new film has problems the previous two did not.

As for Qwerty's assertion that it's becoming "hip" to hate on Spider-man, I don't buy that.
It's not like there was a Spider-man backlash already brewing. Fans were really taken by surprise by this movie's problems, and much of the backlash I've read is tinged with sadness. I certainly take no pleasure in criticizing what I consider a sub-par sequel in a series I really love.

My hope is that Spider-man 4 will see a return to form.
And I still want to see Sam Raimi at the helm. I just hope he'll never listen to freakin' Avi Arad ever again.

To bring this back to Fantastic Four, I'm hoping audiences are much more satisfied with FF2 than they've been with Spidey 3. Non-stop FX and box office totals be damned; I just want a solid story with likable, recognizable characters, decent action and some good laughs - If FF2 delivers in these areas, it could earn the franchise a permanent place in moviegoers' hearts.

 

[Iron Maiden]

Amen! Ben seems to be Spideman strong. This is a guy who's supposed to be able to tangle with the Hulk. Ben is power and looks wise is my biggest problem with the f4. Personality wise he's spot on. The Thing should not be shorter then HT and Reed. Chilklis is to short for the part if they weren't going to cgi enhance him bigger. I remember reading that David Borenaz/Angel was up for the role. If FOX was going to go the practical route then I would've perfered him, at least he's already taller then Ioan and Evans.

hmmmm..... read the FF much???

Kirby never drew Ben to be as large as you think he should be. And unfortunately he has mostly come out on the losing end on his battles with the Hulk, even when he was double dosed with cosmic rays and turned into the "Pineapple Thing" (as we like to call him on another FF board) . Also notice, the ever controversial brow is not that prominent either.

I see Chiklis's Thing as being very close to Kirby's early version. Remember, as FF: ROTS begins only two years have passed since they got their powers. Kirby's take on the Thing slowly evolved over the course of the years and many artists today do draw him a bit taller. But he was not the giant you make him out to be. Part of his appeal to me is that he may not be as strong as the Hulk but he is a "never say die" fighter to the end.

Now Malus, I have yet to see S-3 but my nephew says the same things you have said. I will be going to an IMAX theater to see it at the end of the week so I will hold off on comparing too much. I think S-2 was about as best an adaptation as any superhero as you will see. The fight on the train was exceptionally well done and didn't have the bouncy, video game look that is a bit distracting with some of the other Spidey in action scenes.

The action scenes I have watched so far with the FF look very fluid. The scope of the FF film is worldwide, not just set in one city, and I look forward to seeing the extended, final cut of the major action sequences. I never thought I would say this but it could very well end up giving S-3 a run for the money at being the better superhero film.

 

[Fanticon]

^^ Haters can eat spidey's 622 million worldwide take in 10 days, 10 days. It will be at 700 million by the end of the week. Can you believe that.

Shrek does not open until June and July, Pirates is two weeks away. Spiderman could easily make another 150 million overseas in the next 14 days alone. All that is left to determine is whether it will crack the billion dollar mark which seems very likely.

Astounding.

Clearly, this was not the point of discussions in this thread.
I think we've always been pretty polite to eachother...but this entire post just made you lose a little credibility with me.
And officially...Pirates now opens at 8pm on the 24th.

 

[Spider - Man]

hmmmm..... read the FF much???

Kirby never drew Ben to be as large as you think he should be. And unfortunately he has mostly come out on the losing end on his battles with the Hulk, even when he was double dosed with cosmic rays and turned into the "Pineapple Thing" (as we like to call him on another FF board) . Also notice, the ever controversial brow is not that prominent either.

I see Chiklis's Thing as being very close to Kirby's early version. Remember, as FF: ROTS begins only two years have passed since they got their powers. Kirby's take on the Thing slowly evolved over the course of the years and many artists today do draw him a bit taller. But he was not the giant you make him out to be. Part of his appeal to me is that he may not be as strong as the Hulk but he is a "never say die" fighter to the end.

Now Malus, I have yet to see S-3 but my nephew says the same things you have said. I will be going to an IMAX theater to see it at the end of the week so I will hold off on comparing too much. I think S-2 was about as best an adaptation as any superhero as you will see. The fight on the train was exceptionally well done and didn't have the bouncy, video game look that is a bit distracting with some of the other Spidey in action scenes.

The action scenes I have watched so far with the FF look very fluid. The scope of the FF film is worldwide, not just set in one city, and I look forward to seeing the extended, final cut of the major action sequences. I never thought I would say this but it could very well end up giving S-3 a run for the money at being the better superhero film.

For me, the issue with Ben's size didn't have to do with his measurements vertically, but horizontally. I know early on, Ben just looked like a "rock-man" but I would have been more satisfied with him in the first movie if they had made him a bit wider, with bigger arms and legs, and less neck. His proportions were too "human". It looks like they've improved that SLIGHTLY in the new film, but still not the way I wish he could be. And I know that with a suit, they could only go so far in one direction which was why I was all for Chicky with the face makeup (to show all the emotion and stuff) with the body done cg so they could make him more massive and powerful looking.

As for this movie comparing to Spidey, I am going to optimistically predict that this one will actually be a better movie than Spidey 3. Now, I'll just sit back and see if I'm right..