Firefly's Fillion Moves into Castle

[batdude]

Really, they might as well cancel it at this point. if they really wanted to get rid of Stana, I'm not sure this has much chance with Castle and a "Girl of the week" for a ninth season.

 

[Teelie]

And as I said in that thread, she already was paid a lot to come back for this season and instead of paying her even more money because they are trying to save money they opted to not go the long route of asking her back. She didn't want to come back this last season until they offered her a pay bump.

As to Loki, the title of the series is Castle, not Beckett. Trying to tie this into the women are being bumped off television tirade going on is stupid. There isn't even a certainty another season is happening and already you (amongst others) have decried it as an attack on women.

Castle without Beckett sounds even worse than this season has been. So bad that I doubt it would make it more than 2-3 episodes before they see just how big a mistake that would be. Better if they did a tv movie and closed out the series with both of them involved. And the rest of the regular cast.

Now Sleepy Hollow, yes that was definitely a **** move on the part of the producers and writers. The way they treated both the character and actress on that show was horrendous.

No one knows what is going on with Blacklist right now so it's premature to tie this into your conspiracy too.

 

[batdude]

Is what happened on Sleepy Hollow really that similar? I follow both shows, and heard of some Nathan/Stana drama. but not much of the behind the scenes Sleepy Hollow stuff.

 

[Mysteryman]

I don't really know if it is similar.

Apparently Nicole has wanted to leave SH for some time.

As for the changes to Castle, I really don't know what happened there either, but, it will be a different show now and that makes me sad.
I wish both Stana and Tamala the best, Nicole as well.
Thanks for all of the fine TV memories, ladies.

 

[Sawyer]

Spoiler

It's like kicking Abbie off of Sleepy Hallow or Liz off of The Blacklist Their dynamic with the male leads are key, the shows don't really work without it. And why is it always the female lead who gets the axe

*ahem*

Though, it certainly has been quite frequent over the past, like, two weeks.

 

[Mani-Man]

There is definitly a pattern to be seen...but especially americans like to ignore such things i think.
The Entertainment industry is a dirty business.

We dont know what happens behind the scenes, so i find it very arrogant of people when they act like they know what is really going on.

Its a shame how this all turned out, it was once such a great show...now it seems like it will end on a bitter note.
Really sad.

 

[Teelie]

Is what happened on Sleepy Hollow really that similar? I follow both shows, and heard of some Nathan/Stana drama. but not much of the behind the scenes Sleepy Hollow stuff.

What happened on Sleepy Hollow is summed up as they neglected Nicole Beharie to the point she wasn't even asked to do commentary on the DVD's and was given less screen time and presumably pay or attention than Tom Mison was. The series should have been an equal one between the two. Beharie and Mison are what made the show work. Beharie was the modern half who knows how the world works and Mison was the antiquated half trying to modernize himself but knew more about the supernatural side of the world.

Sleepy Hollow and Castle are two similar appearing but different circumstances. With Castle, Stana Katic already had a very hefty amount of involvement and say on how the series is produced (she along with Fillion have producer credits) and more to do with her being on the show for 8 years and ready to move on (although in this next season they ditched their attempt to even negotiate for cost saving measures). Sleepy Hollow is hoping to even make it to a 4th season with Beharie having even less say or power on the series and feeling severely mistreated (justifiably so).

 

[Tvar10]

Nathan Fillion made a comment on twitter and everyones mad about it :

"Castle has been one of the greatest joys of my creative life, and I hope the show continues on for years to come. Stana has been my partner all this time, and I thank her for creating the character of Beckett who will live on for all of us as one of the greatest police officers on television. I wish her well, and have no doubt she will succeed in everything she pursues. She will be missed."

Theres also reports going around that Fillion "bullied" Stana on set and she was seen crying in her dressing room a bunch of times...and theres a lot of people who work on Castle that Fillion is a jerk too...

Im surprised by this, he seems like a genuine guy when hes around fans...maybe its just an act

 

[MadVillainy]

Theres also reports going around that Fillion "bullied" Stana on set and she was seen crying in her dressing room a bunch of times...and theres a lot of people who work on Castle that Fillion is a jerk too...

Im surprised by this, he seems like a genuine guy when hes around fans...maybe its just an act

Be really surprised about this if true.

People seem to like him and this is the first I've heard about him being an jerk, but looks can be deceiving.

 

[Dark Raven]

The episode this week was boring. Is this what season 9 would be like without Beckett? She barely played, and it focused more on Haley. But it wasn't interesting and just felt like filler. Castle by himself isn't really very interesting at all. Even just playing off Ryan and Espo, it still isn't interesting. It definitely needs Beckett.

So we'd have to put up with episodes like this. Would Castle be teamed with Haley? Or maybe someone else?

If he has bullied Stana on set, then it's just as well she gets out of there. It's quite possible he is difficult to work with. And maybe the rumours are definitely true that they don't get on, or haven't been at least in this last season. When you know about these things, even their chemistry on screen seems false and you feel it's all an act, so you can't buy into it. Maybe they find it difficult to act out those scenes too.

 

[Mani-Man]

I never in my life have heard that Nathan Fillion is difficult to work with or anything remotly in that direction.

The only thing i heard is that he and the guy from Bones cant stand each other, but otherwise i never heard one bad thing about him.
But that doesnt mean it doesnt happen...who knows what happens behind the scenes.

I said it before, in some of the shooting pics they seem to get along well, but when you compare how close they seemed in the first seasons to now...there is something going on.

Season 4 or 5 was the last one where they did promotion together i think...after that they didnt even had those promotional photoshoots together.

I guess its one of those things where we never get to know the truth.

I will watch the show till this seasons finale and then decide if i forget about this season.
Either way im done with the show after the season finale.

 

[MadVillainy]

I never in my life have heard that Nathan Fillion is difficult to work with or anything remotly in that direction.

The only thing i heard is that he and the guy from Bones cant stand each other, but otherwise i never heard one bad thing about him.
But that doesnt mean it doesnt happen...who knows what happens behind the scenes.

I said it before, in some of the shooting pics they seem to get along well, but when you compare how close they seemed in the first seasons to now...there is something going on.

Season 4 or 5 was the last one where they did promotion together i think...after that they didnt even had those promotional photoshoots together.

I guess its one of those things where we never get to know the truth.

I will watch the show till this seasons finale and then decide if i forget about this season.
Either way im done with the show after the season finale.

WOw never heard about that.

 

[Dark Raven]

Are you talking about David Boreanaz that he doesn't get along with? I guess this would go back to their days on Buffy? Although I don't know if Boreanaz was on Buffy at that time when Fillion was playing a villain back then. It was about the 7th season wasn't it?

 

[Mani-Man]

Are you talking about David Boreanaz that he doesn't get along with? I guess this would go back to their days on Buffy? Although I don't know if Boreanaz was on Buffy at that time when Fillion was playing a villain back then. It was about the 7th season wasn't it?

Yeah, i cant remember his name...despite me watching Bones occasionaly
I dont know if that is true or not however...tumblr isnt a source you can often trust.

They bashed each other on Twitter or so...but that is the only thing i ever heard about Fillion in terms of him being "difficult".

I dont know how this supposed to have started, since Angel was only in the last episode or so of Buffy.

 

[Dark Raven]

You never know. A single episode can be all it takes. Even a single meeting can be all it takes. Maybe their egos clashed on set.

I wonder how highly the most recent episode rated, since it was Beckett lite.

 

[Tvar10]

Source: http://www.usmagazine.com/entertain...tle-dressing-room-over-nathan-fillion-w203418

Stana Katic Would 'Cry' in Her 'Castle' Dressing Room Over Nathan Fillion Friction
April 20, 2016 @ 3:03 PM

By Stephanie Webber

No watercooler banter for these two. Tension between Stana Katic and Nathan Fillion on the set of Castle was so brutal that the actress broke down in tears in her dressing room, sources reveal exclusively to Us Weekly.

"Stana would cry on set because Nathan was such a bully to her," one source tells Us. A second insider adds: "Stana would go in her dressing room and cry. A lot of people who work on the show don’t like Nathan. It’s not just her."

As previously reported, Katic, 37, is leaving the ABC crime procedural after eight seasons. The actress and Fillion, 45, have played onscreen couple Kate Beckett and Richard Castle on the series since its 2009 debut. And just like their characters, the costars have had their fair share of ups and downs — and were even ordered to go to counseling.

"The friction was very evident," the second insider adds. "Nathan has been nasty to Stana for a long time. Stana was a pro, just wanted to get in there and do her job." (Katic's rep counters to Us that the actress "had absolutely no issues" with Fillion.)

Last year, Katic opened up about working with Fillion while attending the People's Choice Awards. "I think it all starts with [the] writing," she said of their chemistry at the time. "And after that, hopefully you are able to bounce a ball back and forth with your partner. And Nathan and I manage to bounce that ball back and forth, I think, well. I hope. People seem to like it."

Katic has yet to reveal details on her departure, but she did thank fans for their support via Twitter on Tuesday. (According to Deadline, Katic is leaving over "budgetary reasons.") Fillion hasn't spoken out about their feud either, but he did give the Canadian star a shout-out following the news.

"Stana has been my partner all this time, and I thank her for creating the character Beckett who will live on for all of us as one of the greatest police officers on television," he tweeted on Tuesday. "I wish her well, and have no doubt she will succeed in everything she pursues. She will be missed."

 

[Teelie]

Isn't Us Weekly a tabloid? Regardless I take "anonymous sources" and wispy references as less than credible. If Katic herself or someone would openly come out that Fillion was mistreating her in some way then I would believe that.

 

[Tvar10]

Isn't Us Weekly a tabloid? Regardless I take "anonymous sources" and wispy references as less than credible. If Katic herself or someone would openly come out that Fillion was mistreating her in some way then I would believe that.

Not sure if its a tabloid. I know its a weekly subscription magazine. I think its like a more gossipy Entertainment Weekly, but its not like the National Enquirer

 

[Dark Raven]

Isn't Us Weekly a tabloid? Regardless I take "anonymous sources" and wispy references as less than credible. If Katic herself or someone would openly come out that Fillion was mistreating her in some way then I would believe that.

She's not going to say that while she's still on the show at least. Even after she's left she won't. Maybe in a few years people might speak up.

 

[Teelie]

Okay, it's a gossip magazine. Gossip is hardly a reliable source of information. It gets as much wrong as it does right and even when it is right it's often out of context or misinterpeted.

So whether or not Fillion is the jerk they claim or whether he actually forced Katic out is debatable until someone will openly come out and tell us what they witnessed.

I always feel skeptical about these stories because they are told from a shadowy perspective of someone who might have their own biased opinion on what really happened.

Let's say one day they had a particularly hard time filming. Everyone is under stress, he snaps off something that offends Katic. Does that make him a jerk? Maybe in that instance but it does not mean he's always a jerk or that he otherwise acts rude to her.

Whether what is claimed was a one off incident or a pattern of repeated offensive behavior is not up to a taboloid gossip magazine to decide with an anonymous source. What I do notice is people will not hesitate to take someone's anonymous claims and run with it when someone else who might actually know what's going on (Katic herself or her reps) will say it's false. Of course that might be PR spin but it might be the truth too and whoever is spreading the gossip is doing it for whatever reason they have (paid informant, their own grudge against the person or just to spread gossip).

 

[DarthSkywalker]

The thing is, Stana was hard to get back for this season. You have to wonder why. And honestly, I know we all love Fillon, but this isn't the first time these rumors have come up. And usually where there is smoke, there is fire.

How do you fire one of the two leads for budgetary reasons? You can slash almost anything us, but one of the leads? Nah, it doesn't seem right, at all. This show is literally based around there relationship. The major arcs have been built around Kate.

 

[MadVillainy]

The thing is, Stana was hard to get back for this season. You have to wonder why. And honestly, I know we all love Fillon, but this isn't the first time these rumors have come up. And usually where there is smoke, there is fire.

How do you fire one of the two leads for budgetary reasons? You can slash almost anything us, but one of the leads? Nah, it doesn't seem right, at all. This show is literally based around there relationship. The major arcs have been built around Kate.

I'm curious what other times have these rumors come up. I'm not doubting, I'm legitimately curious.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I'm curious what other times have these rumors come up. I'm not doubting, I'm legitimately curious.

The beginning of this season and the end of last. It was why many thought they "broke" them up.

 

[MadVillainy]

The beginning of this season and the end of last. It was why many thought they "broke" them up.

Oh I thought you meant on other TV shows/projects that Fillion had worked on.
Thanks though

 

[Dr. Evil]

On the Cancelled TV Shows thread, it's mentioned that Fillion isn't returning without Jon Huertas and Seamus Deaver. Huertas tweeted that neither him or Dever have been asked to return yet.