First Q/A answers released from Penn

[spideyboy_1111]

The better route to you...not to the many Cyke fans. There are many things in all of the films that lacked continuity and logical sense so to add another to the tally wouldn't have been devastating at all. I still say it makes no sense to fight for Cyke to be in the film only to kill him off...it's a major screw up.

still is much worse and cowardly for him to not even show up imo... hopefully if there is another X-film they will settle the crap and bring him back.. but then again, im an optamisstic person

 

[Downhere]

I'm optismistic to an extent...with how Fox treats the X-Men property I find it hard to be optimistic then they are always trying to screw with the franchise.

It wouldn't be cowardly because of the fact that he is in pain because he lost Jean. I think everyone would understand he was hit hard by what happened.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

ya but its an even bigger character dissenigration to have the huge events of what was happening in X3 happen without cyclops being a man and showing up. you cant deny that. He was tormented by jeans visions calling out to him. so he went to find jean...

they left a great window to bring him back wich was evident that they want him back because there fans to, but had no choice with his short time he could film... whether it will happen or not we dont know, but kudos to them trying.

only thing i would have added to the movie was a quick opening scene (in present time) rather then the danger room, have cyclops and jean together.. and jean calling out to him (maybe reliving her death?) and scott screams JEAN!!! and he wakes up in bed, and blows a lense out of his glasses (ala Phoenix:endsong) and then you have a long shot showing the beam blast out of the mansion...

i would have also put in a wolvie vs. cyke fight right after that... with wolvie coming in the room trying to calm him down. but its evident that marsden didnt have time for that

 

[chaseter]

ya but its an even bigger character dissenigration to have the huge events of what was happening in X3 happen without cyclops being a man and showing up. you cant deny that. He was tormented by jeans visions calling out to him. so he went to find jean...

they left a great window to bring him back wich was evident that they want him back because there fans to, but had no choice with his short time he could film... whether it will happen or not we dont know, but kudos to them trying.

only thing i would have added to the movie was a quick opening scene (in present time) rather then the danger room, have cyclops and jean together.. and jean calling out to him (maybe reliving her death?) and scott screams JEAN!!! and he wakes up in bed, and blows a lense out of his glasses (ala Phoenix:endsong) and then you have a long shot showing the beam blast out of the mansion...

i would have also put in a wolvie vs. cyke fight right after that... with wolvie coming in the room trying to calm him down. but its evident that marsden didnt have time for that

I agree with the opening scene(in present day) after the young Jean and Angel scene. Scott is sleeping. Have some flashbacks of Jean and Scott and then Jean dying and maybe covered in water. Have her floating in the water at the bottom of the lake covered by her fiery aura of psychic energy. Scott keeps dreaming as the camera comes closer. Jean opens her eyes and turns into the 'zombie' version we get later in the film. She says "Scott" and he awakens in a big sweat in his bedroom. Then go into the DR and Logan or Storm asks where Scott is.

 

[Downhere]

ya but its an even bigger character dissenigration to have the huge events of what was happening in X3 happen without cyclops being a man and showing up. you cant deny that. He was tormented by jeans visions calling out to him. so he went to find jean...

they left a great window to bring him back wich was evident that they want him back because there fans to, but had no choice with his short time he could film... whether it will happen or not we dont know, but kudos to them trying.
but its evident that marsden didnt have time for that

Well, as writers the writers could have changed the whole jean calling out to Cyke thing...and just have him leave because of what happened. It has nothing to do with him being a "man." He was affected by what happened to the love of his life...he could have just left to find himself and figure it all out...nothing wrong with that, but the writers didn't want to go in that direction.

What's funny is that Ian McKellen stated that for X2 he only shot for 2 weeks and was surprised to see how large his role was. So Marsden had around 2-3 weeks yet didn't have time to shoot more scenes?

 

[ginny_weasley]

only thing i would have added to the movie was a quick opening scene (in present time) rather then the danger room, have cyclops and jean together.. and jean calling out to him (maybe reliving her death?) and scott screams JEAN!!! and he wakes up in bed, and blows a lense out of his glasses (ala Phoenix:endsong) and then you have a long shot showing the beam blast out of the mansion...

That would have been cool

 

[spideyboy_1111]

Well, as writers the writers could have changed the whole jean calling out to Cyke thing...and just have him leave because of what happened. It has nothing to do with him being a "man." He was affected by what happened to the love of his life...he could have just left to find himself and figure it all out...nothing wrong with that, but the writers didn't want to go in that direction.

What's funny is that Ian McKellen stated that for X2 he only shot for 2 weeks and was surprised to see how large his role was. So Marsden had around 2-3 weeks yet didn't have time to shoot more scenes?

marsden's scenes were also at nearly the begining of shootings during a hectic unprepared rushed set... but i also dont see how all of magneto's scenes were just in 2 weeks, unless the man barely got any sleep.. or had perfect takes whith no reshoots

 

[spideyboy_1111]

That would have been cool

i think so too

 

[Downhere]

marsden's scenes were also at nearly the begining of shootings during a hectic unprepared rushed set... but i also dont see how all of magneto's scenes were just in 2 weeks, unless the man barely got any sleep.. or had perfect takes whith no reshoots

Actually Marsden shot his scenes midway from principle photography. Remember filming began in August and from what I remember Marsden shot in October.

Concerning McKellen, that's what he said...so somehow it could be done.

 

[chaseter]

i think so too

What did you think of my scene....add it before your beam blast and we have a great 1-2 minutes of a quality scene.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

Actually Marsden shot his scenes midway from principle photography. Remember filming began in August and from what I remember Marsden shot in October.

Concerning McKellen, that's what he said...so somehow it could be done.

well principle shooting would have started in august... i remember most of the out side shots all being done around the same time, ending with the bridge.. i could be wrong on how many days marsden was on break.. but i do remember when the set pics were coming in, it seemed like only 2-3 days were shot at the lake...

and as for ian.. him only doing that in 2 weeks is a VERY VERY VERY rare thing

 

[spideyboy_1111]

What did you think of my scene....add it before your beam blast and we have a great 1-2 minutes of a quality scene.

id agree.. but it seems like too much i think its important for the dream to start off slow.. and then pic up and get intense (because i really like my idea of the blast) plus i like the dark side of phoenix being shown, but at the same time i dont think its needed, because i liked the reveal they shot while kissing scott.. thought that was great.

i would really like to see scott and logan get into a fight though.. storm kinda taking place of emma from astonishing where kitty and her comment on the boys fighting in front of the school

 

[Downhere]

well principle shooting would have started in august... i remember most of the out side shots all being done around the same time, ending with the bridge.. i could be wrong on how many days marsden was on break.. but i do remember when the set pics were coming in, it seemed like only 2-3 days were shot at the lake...

and as for ian.. him only doing that in 2 weeks is a VERY VERY VERY rare thing

Yes, while Ian's case is very rare...if from the beginning the writers would have written Cyke's role differently, they could have worked it out where Marsden was able to shoot all his scenes.

 

[chaseter]

id agree.. but it seems like too much i think its important for the dream to start off slow.. and then pic up and get intense (because i really like my idea of the blast) plus i like the dark side of phoenix being shown, but at the same time i dont think its needed, because i liked the reveal they shot while kissing scott.. thought that was great.

i would really like to see scott and logan get into a fight though.. storm kinda taking place of emma from astonishing where kitty and her comment on the boys fighting in front of the school

I like my scene I wanted to see Scott made at Alkali lake...and shoot his beam into the air before he shot it into the water. It would have been a more beautiful scene to have a long shot of him beam going into the heavens above the tree line. He starts hearing Jean again and then aims his beam into the water. I also kind of wished some Brotherhood members were snooping around Alkali lake due to Magneto's orders because Calisto can feel something is there...Scott gets into a fight...Jean rises...kills the bad guys then goes into their death kiss.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

Yes, while Ian's case is very rare...if from the beginning the writers would have written Cyke's role differently, they could have worked it out where Marsden was able to shoot all his scenes.

i really would like to see what you could come up with... giving cyke the EXACT same amount of screen time in X3 and having the studio make it so he would not be in X4

 

[ginny_weasley]

well principle shooting would have started in august... i remember most of the out side shots all being done around the same time, ending with the bridge.. i could be wrong on how many days marsden was on break.. but i do remember when the set pics were coming in, it seemed like only 2-3 days were shot at the lake...

and as for ian.. him only doing that in 2 weeks is a VERY VERY VERY rare thing

Considering how much Ian was in X2, 2 weeks is incredible.

Then again, Cyke wouldn't need to be in X3 as much as Ian was in X2 for an appropriate role. So in two or three weeks, I don't think filming lots of Cyke stuff would have been too straining. Yeah, some scenes would have to be done with other actors and that would matter, and the Final Battle would be a big issue because I'm sure there was a lot of planning around that - but it could probably done with a green screen, and I think they did pickups laters - I'm sure James could have made it for something like that.

Basically, if Fox was willing to put in the effort, IMHO it could have been done.

Fox was not interested in putting in the effort.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

I like my scene I wanted to see Scott made at Alkali lake...and shoot his beam into the air before he shot it into the water. It would have been a more beautiful scene to have a long shot of him beam going into the heavens above the tree line. He starts hearing Jean again and then aims his beam into the water. I also kind of wished some Brotherhood members were snooping around Alkali lake due to Magneto's orders because Calisto can feel something is there...Scott gets into a fight...Jean rises...kills the bad guys then goes into their death kiss.

meh.. i get why ud want that shot, wich is the same reason i used the shot of the beam being shot out of the mansion... but i think the one beam shot into the water out of frustration works better then two...

o and the brother hood scene, while sounding cool, makes no sense because callisto didnt sense jean until after she broke out of the sub basement

 

[spideyboy_1111]

Considering how much Ian was in X2, 2 weeks is incredible.

Then again, Cyke wouldn't need to be in X3 as much as Ian was in X2 for an appropriate role. So in two or three weeks, I don't think filming lots of Cyke stuff would have been too straining. Yeah, some scenes would have to be done with other actors and that would matter, and the Final Battle would be a big issue because I'm sure there was a lot of planning around that - but it could probably done with a green screen, and I think they did pickups laters - I'm sure James could have made it for something like that.

Basically, if Fox was willing to put in the effort, IMHO it could have been done.

Fox was not interested in putting in the effort.

wich is exactly proof enough about Fox's grudge..

 

[chaseter]

meh.. i get why ud want that shot, wich is the same reason i used the shot of the beam being shot out of the mansion... but i think the one beam shot into the water out of frustration works better then two...

o and the brother hood scene, while sounding cool, makes no sense because callisto didnt sense jean until after she broke out of the sub basement

Jean is alive at the bottom of Alkali lake...wouldn't be crazy for Calisto to sense something. Calisto could then confirm it when Jean actually rises. If Storm and Logan know when Cyke's supposedly dies when Jean rises...Calisto has to know something as well.

 

[Downhere]

i really would like to see what you could come up with... giving cyke the EXACT same amount of screen time in X3 and having the studio make it so he would not be in X4

Are you changing your tune, didn't you say Fox will probably bring him back if another film was made?

 

[ginny_weasley]

wich is exactly proof enough about Fox's grudge..

A grudge is possible, but personally I think it was more indifference: Fox didn't think Cyke was worth it - they only thought $$$ and figured that whatever happened to Cyke wouldn't hurt their ban accounts so why bother. If anything, they wanted Wolverine at the forefront and probably encouraged his death/removal/lack of presence at all from the start.

I'm not denying a grudge - it could have factored in - but IMHO those rat ba#$#s at Fox care about one thing only: profits.

 

[ginny_weasley]

Jean is alive at the bottom of Alkali lake...wouldn't be crazy for Calisto to sense something. Calisto could then confirm it when Jean actually rises. If Storm and Logan know when Cyke's supposedly dies when Jean rises...Calisto has to know something as well.

This reminds me of the good ole days when we still had hope for Cyke. I was so sure that the Brotherhood would capture Cyke: that Callisto would sense Jean stirring and go to Alkali Lake with Mags and Psylocke, and they'd kidnap Cyke and have Psylocke insert the idea of his death in Jean's mind....

I miss those days.

 

[tamron]

i would have also put in a wolvie vs. cyke fight right after that... with wolvie coming in the room trying to calm him down. but its evident that marsden didnt have time for that

I definitely would've been all for that. I would've still opened with a Danger Room sequence, though.

The way I would've opened X3 is this: Cyclops is in there reinacting what happened at Alkali Lake, except this time, Cyke saves Jean. Logan comes in, same exchange as the real film, Logan grabs his arm, Cyke then tells him to shove off. Then, they fight to a draw, seperated by Xavier. Xavier coldly admonishes Scott, telling him "The Danger Room is no place for psychodrama, Scott." Scott leaves in a huff. Logan is left surprised at Xavier's response, to which Xavier responds, "A leader must put the needs of team over his own desires."

Of course, in my X3, Cyke and Logan would've worked together to stop Jean, which that scene would have foreshadowed. Oh well, we can always dream, can't we?

 

[spideyboy_1111]

Jean is alive at the bottom of Alkali lake...wouldn't be crazy for Calisto to sense something. Calisto could then confirm it when Jean actually rises. If Storm and Logan know when Cyke's supposedly dies when Jean rises...Calisto has to know something as well.

but thing is.. she didnt lol hell the professor couldn't really sense it, and the only reason logan and ororo new is because the prof sense it and tapped it into there heads

 

[spideyboy_1111]

Are you changing your tune, didn't you say Fox will probably bring him back if another film was made?

im not changing my tune.. i have hope.. but if fox really had that big of a grudge then i dont see how they would let him... though i have hope and will always have hope...