Flashpoint

[Aesculapius]

They'll just have Superman be the Red Son in this universe =p

 

[Nightwing Z]

The latter.



We don't know. Speculation is rampant from relaunches to reboots to Superman being wiped out of existence and so on and so forth.

I hope they won't reboot or relaunch or anything. The DCU's fine the way it is.

 

[HighFivingMF]

The DC Universe will always be at least decent as long as Namor doesn't exist in it.

 

[Nightwing Z]

The DC Universe will always be at least decent as long as Namor doesn't exist in it.

Namor from Marvel? He's a bitch.

 

[CLARKY]

I am not reading Flashpoint and I completely miss the point of it. Am I dreaming or they are tying the comics with the GL movie?! I mean, I just read Sinestro appearing in front of Abin Sur, both have the design of the movie. So Flaspoint kind of ... exposes the movie's Abin ... while ... the one of the comics... is ...aaah ... uh?!?!
And what about those fake bios of the GL world on the source? The bio of Abin Sur was not the one from the comics (especially since G.Johns put Atrocitus in the mix), and Hammond linked with Parallax is not in the comics ... I am completely missing the point here.

 

[Timstuff]

Bleeding Cool is reporting that Flashpoint #5 is Johns' final issue with the Flash mythos for the foreseeable future.

I'm not complaining. Johns' work with Green Lantern has been awesome, but so far his work with Flash has only seemed to cause controversy. While I thin Johns was both passionate and skillful in the way he reintroduced Hal Jordan into the DC mythos, I can't say the same about reintroducing Barry Allen, and as a Wally fan I can't say that I will miss Johns when he departs from the series.

 

[Mystirious]

In the bold: because of legal issues or does he feel like he just doesn't have a good handle on how to write her character?

He doesnt think he can write her well Panthro

And for once he's right. He cant write her well at all

I hope they won't reboot or relaunch or anything. The DCU's fine the way it is.

Dont worry Nightwing there is no way they will reboot the dcu

I am sure this Flashpoint crap will have no effect on the dcu at all. I hope that it doesnt have any effect on the dcu

 

[Zionite]

Dont worry Nightwing there is no way they will reboot the dcu

even though they should

 

[Tron Bonne]

No, they shouldn't. They really shouldn't have in the first place.

 

[Mystirious]

Agreed Sailor V there is no need to reboot the dcu at all. I dont want it to he rebooted and i dont want Flashpoint to have any effect on the characters I care about and like

The DCU definitely doesnt need to be rebooted and i am glad it wont be

 

[hippie_hunter]

Tomorrow Bleeding Cool will be running several articles on what the post-Flashpoint DCU will look like.

 

[Mystirious]

Hopefully it will be pretty much exactly the same as the dcu was before Flashpoint

The only thing I be looking forward to after Flashpoint is the Batwoman ongoing series that will be starting

And the Red Lantern series sounds kind of neat as it will be written by Milligan

 

[hippie_hunter]

Hopefully it will be pretty much exactly the same as the dcu was before Flashpoint

I don't think it should be the exact same DCU before Flashpoint. I think that some changes are needed such as a new direction for Superman and Wonder Woman, the Batman line needs a lot of fixing because it is filled with so many redundant books like Batman, Batman: The Dark Knight, and Batman & Robin and needs to feel more close together. The only books that feel like they work well together are Batman, Inc., Red Robin, and Detective Comics.

 

[HighFivingMF]

That and... This big World-shaking event with absolutely no changes would leave me pissed on principle alone.

 

[Mystirious]

I don't think it should be the exact same DCU before Flashpoint. I think that some changes are needed such as a new direction for Superman and Wonder Woman, the Batman line needs a lot of fixing because it is filled with so many redundant books like Batman, Batman: The Dark Knight, and Batman & Robin and needs to feel more close together. The only books that feel like they work well together are Batman, Inc., Red Robin, and Detective Comics.

I think the Batman and Superman comic books don't need any drastic changes right now

But as long as we still get a Batwoman ongoing comic book and Morrison still writes Batman Inc I don't really care what DC comics do with any of the other Batman comics

And it doesn't matter what DC do with Wonder Woman because they are going to reboot or retcon the character and her supporting cast again every other month anyway

You know I be right

 

[hippie_hunter]

I think the Batman and Superman comic books don't need any drastic changes right now

Yes they do.

Superman is a mess right now and Action Comics will always be treated as the second hand Superman centric anthology title that it is. And it really feels as if nothing of significance is happening with Supergirl (which lacks a stable creative team once Gates left the book) and Superboy (I think that the Smallville setting is hurting more than helping).

As for Batman, it feels like the only books that are really supporting Grant Morrison's take on the mythos are Detective Comics which really goes into Dick Grayson being the protector of Gotham and Red Robin which has Tim setting up his machinations in support of Batman, Inc. The rest of the books feel like they don't contribute much. A new direction for the Batman line is needed to better support what Morrison is doing.

 

[Tron Bonne]

Does it really matter if those books are contributing to Morrison's take as far as the Batman franchise goes, though? It seems better to me, really, if there's not. Means there's alternatives to people who aren't following Morrison's stuff, or just want something else different. And I would at least see where Cornell's take on Superman goes before denouncing it outright.

 

[Mystirious]

Yep i don't think all the Batman comic books need to be like the ones Morrison is writing. It's nice to have variety and lots of different kinds of Batman story

I agree that the Superboy comic book kind of sucks right now and the character should leave Smallville but i think Action Comics has been fab the Lex Luthor story arc was really good and the first issue of the new story was pretty fun too

 

[Batman]

I don't think it should be the exact same DCU before Flashpoint. I think that some changes are needed such as a new direction for Superman and Wonder Woman, the Batman line needs a lot of fixing because it is filled with so many redundant books like Batman, Batman: The Dark Knight, and Batman & Robin and needs to feel more close together. The only books that feel like they work well together are Batman, Inc., Red Robin, and Detective Comics.

All of that can be fixed with competent writers on each title progressively moving things forward in an organic fashion. Not that I'm terribly confident in DC's ability to hire writers that can do that (at least, not all at once), but it'd be a nice change of pace compared to the normal, tired cycle of events that lead to anything of significance. These "one in done" events that take characters from A to D without a B and C to follow kind of get frustrating after awhile. The characters have lent themselves towards compelling development for seventy-plus years, it wouldn't be bad for DC to show why for a change.

Also, consider me one of the people that's tired of Morrison's take on the Batman mythos. It was fun for a time and I loved what he was doing, but it's gotten really irksome and leaves me wanting something a little closer to the Batman I enjoy, which isn't this oversweeping James Bondian "Ho ho, I'm rich and can do things!" level of swagger and consistently disjointed style of writing to get to a single point, frequently creating continuity problems that have to have issues themselves dedicated to fixing. So yeah, I'm totally fine with them not trying to compliment Morrison's style. It's not something that I'm clamoring to see continue for very much longer.

 

[Mystirious]

I'm really digging Morrison's Batman Inc so far just because it has been so much fun. I have really liked the guest stars and I think the new villains are pretty interesting and entertaining

 

[Batman]

Yeah, that's cool. And I'm fine with Morrison continuing with it, because he definitely has fans, it's just not my overall preference. I guess what I should have added is that while I don't particularly enjoy his Batman as much as I used to, it is nice to have variety for people who don't feel the same way. Which is another reason why it's good to have two Batmen who are polar opposites in personality, but still manage to harken back to at least some era of the comics - you get to have the cake and eat it too.

 

[Tron Bonne]

Totally on a different topic, but I love your sig, Batman, and believe The Hero is truly of his name.

 

[Mystirious]

Hahaha yes that sig is fabulous

Though its not realistic. We all know that JMS would write at least twelve issues about Superman watching a movie and becoming deeply depressed about not getting the kind of popcorn he wanted

Yeah, that's cool. And I'm fine with Morrison continuing with it, because he definitely has fans, it's just not my overall preference. I guess what I should have added is that while I don't particularly enjoy his Batman as much as I used to, it is nice to have variety for people who don't feel the same way. Which is another reason why it's good to have two Batmen who are polar opposites in personality, but still manage to harken back to at least some era of the comics - you get to have the cake and eat it too.

Agreed I like reading different types of Batman story too and i think it is nice that all the Batman comic books are different from each other

 

[Cain]

Yes they do.

Superman is a mess right now and Action Comics will always be treated as the second hand Superman centric anthology title that it is. And it really feels as if nothing of significance is happening with Supergirl (which lacks a stable creative team once Gates left the book) and Superboy (I think that the Smallville setting is hurting more than helping).

As for Batman, it feels like the only books that are really supporting Grant Morrison's take on the mythos are Detective Comics which really goes into Dick Grayson being the protector of Gotham and Red Robin which has Tim setting up his machinations in support of Batman, Inc. The rest of the books feel like they don't contribute much. A new direction for the Batman line is needed to better support what Morrison is doing.

I couldn't disagree more.

 

[hippie_hunter]

All of that can be fixed with competent writers on each title progressively moving things forward in an organic fashion. Not that I'm terribly confident in DC's ability to hire writers that can do that (at least, not all at once), but it'd be a nice change of pace compared to the normal, tired cycle of events that lead to anything of significance. These "one in done" events that take characters from A to D without a B and C to follow kind of get frustrating after awhile. The characters have lent themselves towards compelling development for seventy-plus years, it wouldn't be bad for DC to show why for a change.

Also, consider me one of the people that's tired of Morrison's take on the Batman mythos. It was fun for a time and I loved what he was doing, but it's gotten really irksome and leaves me wanting something a little closer to the Batman I enjoy, which isn't this oversweeping James Bondian "Ho ho, I'm rich and can do things!" level of swagger and consistently disjointed style of writing to get to a single point, frequently creating continuity problems that have to have issues themselves dedicated to fixing. So yeah, I'm totally fine with them not trying to compliment Morrison's style. It's not something that I'm clamoring to see continue for very much longer.

That's why I think that Snyder should be promoted within the Batman ranks. Snyder's run on Detective Comics and Gates of Gotham is the best of both worlds where it fits itself with what Morrison is doing, yet it still delivers something different from what Morrison is doing. Morrison is delivering the more grandiose take on, while Snyder is keeping within the realms of Gotham and providing a more comfortable take with the character.

David Finch's take makes absolutely no sense because it can't find a place to fit within what's going on with all the other books, Batman & Robin doesn't have a stable creative team, and Batman is just mediocre relying on nostalgia for the Long Halloween and Dark Victory.