Flashpoint

[hippie_hunter]

Meh. All the important numbers will be back soon enough

But relaunching certain books is going to hurt more than help. With the way the Superman books are selling, I can't imagine a new Action Comics #1 being successful at all. Superman can really only support one book nowadays and Action Comics benefited more from its incredibly high numbering and good creative teams for the past couple of years.

 

[HighFivingMF]

They'll have more stories throughout the day, right? I'm actually excited to see what's in store.

 

[Motown Marvel]

i've always championed geoff johns, but he is pissing me off lately. you know what the reason for this is? Geoff being a creative consultant for DC properties at warner bros. the green lantern movie is going to be a launching point for an expansion of the future DC movies, and geoff is going to be involved in them. and they are coinciding this flashpoint renumbering as a jumping on point for all the new fans they're expecting to get from the movies. its pandering to the lowest common denominator.

 

[Drz]

i've always championed geoff johns, but he is pissing me off lately. you know what the reason for this is? Geoff being a creative consultant for DC properties at warner bros. the green lantern movie is going to be a launching point for an expansion of the future DC movies, and geoff is going to be involved in them. and they are coinciding this flashpoint renumbering as a jumping on point for all the new fans they're expecting to get from the movies. its pandering to the lowest common denominator.

Both Marvel and DC are going to do this, but atleast DC is letting writers being creative and letting them do what they want to. Grant Morrison replaces Bruce Wayne with a new Dynamic Duo and the Green Lantern franchise isn't going to ignore anything that Geoff Johns has done before, so while renumbering is abit silly and even tho we've seen the writers themselves defend them (Brubaker believes Captain America getting a relaunch is a great idea) atleast DC comics isn't forcing any changes to characters like Steve going backa s Captain America.

 

[hippie_hunter]

In September, Bleeding Cool has been told that DC Comics will publish a new Justice League ongoing comic book by Geoff Johns and Jim Lee, the first title these two have worked together. Even if it’s been a while coming. It will feature Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman, Green Lantern and several other characters following the current Flashpoint crossover. It’s the return of the World’s Greatest Superheroes to the book for the first time in years.

Geoff Johns is the Chief Creative Officer of DC Entertainment, a Co-Producer of the upcoming Green Lantern Film and the writer of many of DC Comics bestselling titles of the last five years, including Green Lantern, Blackest Night, Brightest Day, and the Flashpoint event.

As well as being Co-Publisher of DC Comics, Jim Lee is best known for revitalising the X-Men for Marvel and co-founding Image Comics in the nineties, for his Batman work for DC in the noughties, and designing the DCU Online MMORG right now. While his comics work has been sporadic, it remains some of the best selling in the industry.

And it looks like he might have been spending some time preparing this comic. I first reported its existence over two years ago, well before Geoff Johns and Jim Lee had been promoted, and have been keeping up with it since. So if nothing else, Jim Lee’s had some lead time.

Not International. Not Dark. And also not Of America. Just the League.

More to come…

Well I have to say that along with Batman, Green Lantern, and now this, DC is guaranteed to continue dominating the Top 10 charts.

 

[Drz]

There can't be any truth that Lee is drawing the comic, this would mean he's repenciling the Batman stuff or Bruce is getting another costume change, and this would also question is Wonder Woman getting the classic costume or Jim Lee skirt costume, but didn't Dan Didio confirm she is keeping pants? >_>

So yeah i can believe in Flashpoint making heroes realize they need to be a big team (because after all in Flashpoint the main characters are just twisted versions of themselves one way or another) and help the world, also Firestorm and Cyborg would probably end up as members.

 

[hippie_hunter]

There can't be any truth that Lee is drawing the comic, this would mean he's repenciling the Batman stuff

More like the Batman stuff that he was working on like Dark Knight: Boy Wonder isn't going to happen with Jim Lee.

 

[Drz]

I meant Bruce's costume and Diana's in this supposed League comic, unless you're saying David Finch redesign and Lee's Odyssey design for Wonder Woman will get ignored.

Dark Knight Boy Wonder is still happening, buu yer pessism! >: )

 

[hippie_hunter]

I meant Bruce's costume and Diana's in this supposed League comic, unless you're saying David Finch redesign and Lee's Odyssey design for Wonder Woman will get ignored.

What makes you think that they'll get ignored?

Dark Knight Boy Wonder is still happening, buu yer pessism! >: )

I do think that Dark Knight: Boy Wonder will happen, just with a different artist. If it were going to happen with Jim Lee, it would have already started coming out. When Lee is actually focused, his stuff does indeed come out on time. But with Lee as DC's Co-Publisher, he along with the others probably saw his talents be put to better use on a DCU title.

 

[Drz]

What makes you think that they'll get ignored?

Well the article itself implies Jim Lee and Johns have worked on this comic for about 2 years beforehand and thus Jim Lee should be really ready to push out it in ongoing format. Unless he just accepted Batman: Europa #1 and the last issues of DK:BW left unfinished to taggle on the League for how long? 3 issues? 5?

I do think that Dark Knight: Boy Wonder will happen, just with a different artist. If it were going to happen with Jim Lee, it would have already started coming out. When Lee is actually focused, his stuff does indeed come out on time.

Well he certainly hasn't been focused for Batman Europa which was just 1 issue, DK:BW is suppose to have 1-3 issues done, but hey what if.... We get DK:BW in September? <3

 

[Motown Marvel]

lee can get a book out on time when all he has to do is draw that book. but for the past years he's involved in so many things, i dont trust him to get books done on time. i wouldnt want to put anything out by him until he's done doing it. draw the whole damn arc, before one issue comes out. seriously. geoff johns writing a big 7 justice league title can be awesome. its what the league has needed for years. i dont want lee screwing that up.

 

[hippie_hunter]

Well the article itself implies Jim Lee and Johns have worked on this comic for about 2 years beforehand and thus Jim Lee should be really ready to push out it in ongoing format. Unless he just accepted Batman: Europa #1 and the last issues of DK:BW left unfinished to taggle on the League for how long? 3 issues? 5?

They probably planned for a Geoff Johns/Jim Lee Justice League for two years and coordinated some ideas together, but I think that Lee probably started to actually draw the book once DC's plans for the post-Flashpoint universe started to finalize. Lee wouldn't have had time to start on the book two years ago since he was working on DC Universe Online at the time, along with editorial duties at WildStorm trying to save the line, and he planned on working on Dark Knight: Boy Wonder during that time frame.

Well he certainly hasn't been focused for Batman Europa which was just 1 issue, DK:BW is suppose to have 1-3 issues done, but hey what if.... We get DK:BW in September? <3

Doubt it. DC is going to be completely focused on the actual DC Universe and books like Dark Knight: Boy Wonder will just take away attention from the main DC Universe line.

Dark Knight: Boy Wonder would be better off without Jim Lee as an artist anyways. Lee's art style just didn't fit the universe that Frank Miller created for Batman. Batman: Year One, The Dark Knight Returns, and the Dark Knight Strikes Again all had more gritty art styles as opposed to Lee's more flashy style, and Dark Knight: Boy Wonder would probably be better suited if it had an art style more similar to David Mazzucchelli or Frank Miller as opposed to Jim Lee's.

 

[hippie_hunter]

lee can get a book out on time when all he has to do is draw that book. but for the past years he's involved in so many things, i dont trust him to get books done on time. i wouldnt want to put anything out by him until he's done doing it. draw the whole damn arc, before one issue comes out. seriously. geoff johns writing a big 7 justice league title can be awesome. its what the league has needed for years. i dont want lee screwing that up.

Well Lee's workload has significantly reduced now. DC Universe Online, which took up almost all of his time, is done now; he isn't attempting to do two books at once, he hasn't put out that much cover art lately, and he isn't attempting to save a failing imprint. Now he's just focused on DC editorial/publishing and art. If given enough time, he can now probably handle a monthly comic like he did when he was on Batman and Superman as opposed to when he was on All Star Batman and Robin.

 

[Drz]

Then why isn't Batman Europa #1 finished? >_>

 

[hippie_hunter]

Then why isn't Batman Europa #1 finished? >_>

Because it's pretty freaking obvious that Lee gave up on that one as well. Out of continuity Batman stories just aren't what DC wants for the time being from major talent.

 

[hippie_hunter]

Bleeding Cool has already talked about the Dark coming to the DC Universe after Flashpoint, including something called Justice League Dark.

But Bleeding Cool hasn&#8217;t, until now, said anything about the Edge.

No, not the fellow from U2. Something else. From DC. Post Flashpoint. What, I haven&#8217;t a clue, I only have a noun&#8230;

Okay, okay, not every post-Flashpoint story can be fully fleshed out. Those September solicitations can&#8217;t be far away&#8230;

 

[Drz]

But considering how much Joker sold, why wouldn't Frank Miller's DK:BW or Azzarello's Europa be a big cha-ching? Me no understand this logic. DC is going to focus on whatever Grant Morrison has up his sleeve with Multiversity, "All Star" Flash and his non-canon Wonder Woman. Talent before continuity!

 

[hippie_hunter]

But considering how much Joker sold, why wouldn't Frank Miller's DK:BW or Azzarello's Europa be a big cha-ching?

It's not that they wouldn't bring in big cha-ching, it's that they want that big cha-ching to come from their monthly endeavors. DC really needs to boost up their monthly books like Superman, Wonder Woman, and the Justice League.

DC is going to focus on whatever Grant Morrison has up his sleeve with Multiversity, "All Star" Flash and his non-canon Wonder Woman. Talent before continuity!

Except Multiversity is canon and in case if you haven't noticed, nothing has come up with his All Star Flash because the All Star line in DC is dead, and nothing has shown up about his take on Wonder Woman recently.

 

[Anubis]

I've watched this conversation for longer than I'm willing to admit, and I've come to the conclusion that both of you are talking out of your asses.

 

[Drz]

Except Multiversity is canon and in case if you haven't noticed, nothing has come up with his All Star Flash because the All Star line in DC is dead, and nothing has shown up about his take on Wonder Woman recently.

Well is Multiversity really going to effect canon or is it considered "canon" because its Morrison showing all these different universes? Wouldn't that mean we can officially include the Azzarello-verse? What i meant by "All Star" is that Morrison has quoted that he wants to do the Flash in that essence and Bleeding Cool, the very site you and me both watch for this Flashpost stuff has reported that Morrison's canon was deemed too weird for mainstream Wondy.

 

[hippie_hunter]

I've watched this conversation for longer than I'm willing to admit, and I've come to the conclusion that both of you are talking out of your asses.

It's not talking out of your ass when you just look at the plain and simple facts. DC really wants to boost the standings of their monthlies for the end of 2011, so why the hell would they have out of continuity one-shots and minis with AAA talent that would take attention away from DC's post Flashpoint universe? People don't have unlimited income to spend on comics and DC would rather have people buy a monthly Justice League comic with Jim Lee on it than a five issue critically panned miniseries with Jim Lee on it. It's common sense business wise.

It's also flat out obvious now that Dark Knight: Boy Wonder and Batman: Europa aren't going to happen for quite a while unless they replace Lee. Lee can't handle two books at once. He can barely handle one.

 

[hippie_hunter]

Well is Multiversity really going to effect canon or is it considered "canon" because its Morrison showing all these different universes?

It's showcasing the Multiverse the way Countdown and Final Crisis did. Both of which are considered to be DCU proper canon.

Wouldn't that mean we can officially include the Azzarello-verse?

There has been nothing to point that there is currently an Azzarello-verse.

What i meant by "All Star" is that Morrison has quoted that he wants to do the Flash in that essence and Bleeding Cool, the very site you and me both watch for this Flashpost stuff has reported that Morrison's canon was deemed too weird for mainstream Wondy.

True, but have we seen anything lately on Morrison's work with Flash and Wonder Woman. For all we know, maybe DC has decided to go hell with it and decided to put Morrison on the main Wonder Woman book post-Flashpoint. Maybe he's given up on them. Or maybe he's doing something extraordinary with them. Who knows because we haven't heard anything about them for quite some time now.

 

[Drz]

There has been nothing to point that there is currently an Azzarello-verse.

I believe Azzarello considers Joker and Luthor taking in the same place, atleast the art and Batman are more or less the same, and i'd see Europa taking in the same universe considering Batman is teaming up with Joker instead of asking Superman to cure his disease.

 

[hippie_hunter]

I believe Azzarello considers Joker and Luthor taking in the same place, atleast the art and Batman are more or less the same,

They certainly have similar themes, but continuity is something that Azzarello prefers not to be held back by. I'm pretty sure that they're both stand alone stories.

 

[hippie_hunter]

In September, along with everything else, Bleeding Cool has been told to expect a new Adventure Comics #1. And a new lead, namely the recent star of Brightest Day, Deadman. Alive, dead, somewhere in between, a new status quo for Boston Brand or something very different, I have no idea. Yet. Though I&#8217;m hearing of Ryan Sook involvement in some fashion&#8230; More about what happens after Flashpoint to come.