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[X-Maniac]

I imagine they *might* want a crossover so that the F4 and X-Men team up to fend off Galactus.

Regardless of how things have played out in the comics, it's hard to imagine that the F4 pose that much of a threat to Galactus, or that they could defend the entire planet from him. But when you bring Phoenix into the mix...

As for all this wittering on about whether a crossover would be necessary or good or whatever, my view is that i would like to see the F4 established as a satisfying movie adaptation first. And maybe that's what Fox will do. And I'm sure Fox knows about the manic Marvel Studios fanboyism online.

The two teams (F4 and X-Men) do not seem that ideal a mix, as one set are outcasts and the other are celebrities, but perhaps the movie will bring them closer together, with the F4 having to argue that they aren't a 'mutant threat'. Or, as others have said, existing in a separate dimension/reality so the crossover is a temporary collaboration that comes through some sort of dimensional bridge.

 

[adeel7861]

Here's a X-Men Avengers Cross-Over fan teaser I did. Hope you guys enjoy it!
http://youtu.be/uz-XUDGfQDE

 

[Flint Marko]

It is crossover film.It's combing casts of Trilogy and FC

According to gooooogle:
cross·o·ver
ˈkrôsˌōvər/
noun
1.
a point or place of crossing from one side to the other

Dofp is a cross over movie.

You are trying to argue this is a crossover, when it has the X-men crossing over... with the X-men.
If what you were saying were true, it would be on this list, alongside the Avengers and other crossover movies:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Crossover_films

Also note that the official definition of a "fictional crossover" is the placement of two or more otherwise fictional characters, settings, or universes into the context of a single story.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fictional_crossover

Once again, the X-men crossing over with the X-men does not make DOFP a crossover movie. To say otherwise is laughable.

 

[psylockolussus]

Its not about X-Men crossing over to the X-Men.

But the cast members who are portraying characters set in the future making a cross-over to the cast members who are portraying characters set in the past. Just because they are both X-Men, it can't be a cross-over most especially this is the only film where we seen have these two different X-Men cast in 1 film.

So if we get a 616 X-Men cross-over to the Ultimate X-Men, that can't be a cross-over because they are both X-Men? Sigh.

 

[Flint Marko]

Its not about X-Men crossing over to the X-Men.

But the cast members who are portraying characters set in the future making a cross-over to the cast members who are portraying characters set in the past. Just because they are both X-Men, it can't be a cross-over most especially this is the only film where we seen have these two different X-Men cast in 1 film.

So if we get a 616 X-Men cross-over to the Ultimate X-Men, that can't be a cross-over because they are both X-Men? Sigh.

Again, if what you were saying were true, DOFP would be on the list of crossover films. But it isn't, so we can therefore conclude that two sets of characters set in the same continuity, separated only by time, crossing over with each other is not considered a crossover. So the ultimate with the 616? Sure, that would likely be considered a crossover since those are two different iterations of the characters in separate universes.

 

[psylockolussus]

I imagine they *might* want a crossover so that the F4 and X-Men team up to fend off Galactus.

Regardless of how things have played out in the comics, it's hard to imagine that the F4 pose that much of a threat to Galactus, or that they could defend the entire planet from him. But when you bring Phoenix into the mix...

As for all this wittering on about whether a crossover would be necessary or good or whatever, my view is that i would like to see the F4 established as a satisfying movie adaptation first. And maybe that's what Fox will do. And I'm sure Fox knows about the manic Marvel Studios fanboyism online.

The two teams (F4 and X-Men) do not seem that ideal a mix, as one set are outcasts and the other are celebrities, but perhaps the movie will bring them closer together, with the F4 having to argue that they aren't a 'mutant threat'. Or, as others have said, existing in a separate dimension/reality so the crossover is a temporary collaboration that comes through some sort of dimensional bridge.

I want it to be an one time big time kind of movie and ughhh as a fan of these two superhero teams.. it would just give me so much life!!! Make it happen Fox!

 

[marvelrobbins]

I want it to be an one time big time kind of movie and ughhh as a fan of these two superhero teams.. it would just give me so much life!!! Make it happen Fox!

Do version of silver surfer and Galactus coming to earth and involve both X_Men and FF.Not only do you have event film involving both teams but you can setup a Silver surfer spin-off film. Fox also have film rights to the watcher through FF so they could use him too.Having ship in apocalypse opens up a lot.
And imagine it's set in present and involves members of OT cast with FF cast
directed by Bryan Singer

 

[psylockolussus]

Personally I want a Skrull Invasion for the cross over and just save Galan/Norrid for the Fant4stic sequel.

 

[marvelrobbins]

Personally I want a Skrull Invasion for the cross over and just save Galan/Norrid for the Fant4stic sequel.

That is also a possibilty.A skrull invision with them shape shifting and replacing people would make for a great paranoid superhero thriller.

 

[GuestStar2004]

To be fair you just seem to be naming F4 storys and they may wanna do certain fantastic 4 storys for... well just the Fantastic 4, unless every big F4 story/sequel will have the X-Men involved which ain't likely

 

[psylockolussus]

That is also a possibilty.A skrull invision with them shape shifting and replacing people would make for a great paranoid superhero thriller.

I would love it! I just imagined the posters/trailers where the X-Men and the Fantastic Four are lined up together... man that would be just glorious!

 

[marvelrobbins]

I would love it! I just imagined the posters/trailers where the X-Men and the Fantastic Four are lined up together... man that would be just glorious!

agreed.

 

[def28]

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[Weather Witch]

If the best thing you can say about Fox is that they deliver a "good movie from time to time" (not really, they are 6 for 11 on Marvel adaptions so far, that's a failing grade) then that in and of itself is testament to the fact that they probably do not have what it takes to properly do a crossover film. "They have a good movie every now and then guys, so surely they'll be able to properly adapt their most ambitious project yet". Makes no sense.

But Marvel is allowed to do any cross overs they want with 4 good movies, 3 bad movies and the remaining movies that are not terrible, but either have too much problems to be considered good, or are extremely bland and generic? And that is coming from someone who has seen all of the MCU movies, One-Shots, TV-series and follows every bit of news.

 

[Big Bang]

Make it happen Fox!

....yeah, the last time this was said when it came to Fox and crossovers, we got this gem...twice:

Which had an awesome CB behind the concept. Yet Fox still managed to screw up that crossover...twice. AvP literally could have written itself and been awesome.

Fox fans should be more cautious, because Fox does not have a good track record with crossovers at all.

 

[Flint Marko]

But Marvel is allowed to do any cross overs they want with 4 good movies, 3 bad movies and the remaining movies that are not terrible, but either have too much problems to be considered good, or are extremely bland and generic? And that is coming from someone who has seen all of the MCU movies, One-Shots, TV-series and follows every bit of news.

You may feel that they only have "4 good movies" (you're in the minority on that one) but pitting their filmography up against Fox's, or any other major studio making CBMs, it's clear as day they have the best track record.
On top of being the highest grossing film franchise of all time (as of May), their average RT rating is an 81%. Compare that to Fox's 57%. It's clear as day they know what they are doing with their on screen universe.
Not to mention that crossing over their characters makes a whole lot of sense. Iron Man, Cap, Thor, and Hulk all have a long storied history of working together in the comics as Avengers. So many pivotal stories in the marvel universe have hinged around them teaming up.
The X-men and the FF? Name me a couple huge stories that involve both of those properties that would warrant a crossover. There aren't any to speak of.

 

[Shikamaru]

Not to mention that crossing over their characters makes a whole lot of sense. Iron Man, Cap, Thor, and Hulk all have a long storied history of working together in the comics as Avengers. So many pivotal stories in the marvel universe have hinged around them teaming up.
The X-men and the FF? Name me a couple huge stories that involve both of those properties that would warrant a crossover. There aren't any to speak of.

Both teams have had far more of a history with Spider-Man and the Avengers than they've had with each other. It's kinda ironic those are the only two properties Fox has to cross over, when you think about it.

 

[EnDz0n3]

Speaking of Fox, guess who's now the head of Sony Pictures and replacing Amy Pascal...

Tom "X3/X-men Origins" Rothman. Poor Spidey...

 

[Weather Witch]

You may feel that they only have "4 good movies" (you're in the minority on that one) but pitting their filmography up against Fox's, or any other major studio making CBMs, it's clear as day they have the best track record.
On top of being the highest grossing film franchise of all time (as of May), their average RT rating is an 81%. Compare that to Fox's 57%. It's clear as day they know what they are doing with their on screen universe.
Not to mention that crossing over their characters makes a whole lot of sense. Iron Man, Cap, Thor, and Hulk all have a long storied history of working together in the comics as Avengers. So many pivotal stories in the marvel universe have hinged around them teaming up.
The X-men and the FF? Name me a couple huge stories that involve both of those properties that would warrant a crossover. There aren't any to speak of.

Was having a bit of a bad day yesterday so feel free to ignore my post. Also I have come to realize the disadvantages of a shared universe because of Marvel as well. Thanos being in GotG for example made that movie even weaker. But this is about the X-Men Cinematic Universe, so I'll get back on topic.

If the Fantastic Four and X-Men cross over, it should be natural and it should have a good story. Otherwise just have them be standalone properties.

 

[def28]

You know Thanos belongs in GOTG right? He's the father of Gamora (Nebula too) and major rival of everyone in the Marvel cosmic side of things. More so then the earth. Especially with Gamora, Drax, Starlord, Surfer, Adam Warlock and Nova. He should show up regardless.

Speaking of Fox, guess who's now the head of Sony Pictures and replacing Amy Pascal...

Tom "X3/X-men Origins" Rothman. Poor Spidey...

Some sad **** for sure.

 

[Weather Witch]

You know Thanos belongs in GOTG right? He's the father of Gamora (Nebula too) and major rival of everyone in the Marvel cosmic side of things. More so then the earth. Especially with Gamora, Drax, Starlord, Surfer, Adam Warlock and Nova. He should show up regardless.

I know about the connection, but Thanos was only in the movie because of the MCU (Infinity War) and I personally think he made the movie and the already very weak villains even worse.

 

[def28]

I know about the connection, but Thanos was only in the movie because of the MCU and I personally think he made the movie and the already very weak villains even worse.

If you know about the connection then you should why know why he was in the film though. If this wasn't a shard universe, Thanos would have probably had a bigger role in GOTG tbh. You have it a bit backwords right now. They want to build him up and keep mystery to him. The Avengers don't even know who he is.

He actually comes with the story aspect of the GOTG property to begin with. So you can't really not mention him in GOTG. They actually held off some of his connections with Drax to keep the Thanos time minimal. But he is heavily involved with the majority of the team. Can't get rid of him.

Sadly, Ronan was just not used to potential overall.

 

[Weather Witch]

If you know about the connection then you should why know why he was in the film though. If this wasn't a shard universe, Thanos would have probably had a bigger role in GOTG tbh. But they want to build him up and keep mystery to him. The Avengers don't even know who he is.

He would probably have been the main villain of the film if there was no shared universe yes and that would be fine. Now we get 4 villains and the main villain is just a minion of Thanos.

As James Gunn put it:

You’re setting up this gigantic character that, in one way, isn’t really a part of your movie,” he told Vulture, recounting the problems he had making the character fit into the movie. “His presence doesn’t really serve being in Guardians, and having Thanos be in that scene was more helpful to the Marvel universe than it was to Guardians of the Galaxy. I always wanted to have Thanos in there, but from a structural standpoint, you don’t need him.”

Another problem, he said, was that “you don’t want to belittle the actual antagonist of the film, which is Ronan. You don’t want him to seem like a big wussy.”

The thing is that making Ronan seem like not much of a threat is actually what ended up happening imho.

Odd argument since he actually comes with the story aspect of the GOTG property to begin with. You can't really not mention him in GOTG. They actually held off some of his connections with Drax to keep the Thanos time minimal. But he is heavily involved with the majority of the team.

The thing is, initially Thanos was going to be in the movie, but then he got cut. Thanos was only mentioned while they were shooting the movie. The movie was changed to include him in the last 3 months and that clearly shows.

 

[def28]

Gunn was gonna use Thanos regardless though to some extent.

The problems here are really with Ronan. As a big fan of the character he was not developed well as a villain or as a future good guy. My main issue with the film. But Thanos himself hardly played into that. They didn't give Ronan enough screen time, plain and simple. Likewise with Nebula. Going against Thanos actually gave him some sort of higher threat level.

Again, if this wasn't connected to the MCU Thanos would be in here alot more cause there would be nothing to hide imo. There would be no reason too. Unlike Iron Man, Cap etc GOTG's origins are related to Thanos. But this is all what ifs.

GOTG is not exactly feeling the pain of being in a shared universe right now.

 

[Weather Witch]

Gunn was gonna use Thanos regardless though to some extent.

He was going to be mentioned regardless because of his connection with characters in the movies yes. But I think it wasn't Gunn's decisions to bring Thanos back after shooting had been completed.

The problems here are really with Ronan. As a big fan of the character we was not set up well as a villain or as a future good guy. My main issue with the film. But Thanos himself hardly played into that. They didn't give Ronan enough screen time, plain and simple.

Again, if this wasn't connected Thanos would be in here alot more cause there would be nothing to hide. There would be no reason too.

Well yeah, what it boils down to is that Ronan is a weak villain, but for me personally that was because he was working directly for Thanos along with not being an interesting character with enough screentime. But yeah, that is my opinion. Everyone is free to disagree. ^^