Fox vs. Sony - who is worse?

[Snow Queen]

Sony. Fox isn't perfect (Fantastic Four, Rise of the Silver Surfer, Elektra, Daredevil, Origins, The Last Stand) but their highs come much higher than Sony and they have more good/great films (X-Men, X-Men 2: X-Men United, X-Men: First Class, The Wolverine, X-Men: Days of Future Past).

 

[Saitou Hajime]

Fox is letting Josh Trank make the film he wanted to make with FF.It remains
to be seen if it will be good or not.

Yeah... given all the recent rumors, I'd say the irony is pretty rich in this statement.

 

[BH/HHH]

Let's see:

Good/Great Films
X-Men
X-Men 2
X-Men First Class
The Wolverine
X-Men Days of Future Past
Spider-Man
Spider-Man 2
The Amazing Spider-Man

OK
Fantastic Four
Fantastic Four: Rise of the Silver Surfer
Daredevil

Bad
X-Men: The Last Stand
X-Men Origins: Wolverine
Elektra
Ghost Rider
Ghost Rider: Spirit of Vengeance
Spider-Man 3
The Amazing Spider-Man 2

Potential/Green Lit Future films:
X-Men: Age of Apocolaypse
Deadpool
X-Force
Fantastic Four reboot
Sinister Six
Venom
The Amazing Spider-Man 3

With all this in mind, I am definitely on Fox's side. I actually think there X-Men films have been excellent bar a total of two which isn't a bad return on 7 films. Of course there attempts with the Fantastic a Four and Daredevil as franchises weren't the best (although I'd only say the Elektra movie was horrible of that bunch) but at least they were different to the X-Men whereas Sony are trying to stretch the Spider-Man universe into something it's not (time could of course prove me wrong). The X-Men franchise has so much potential as there are absolutely dozens upon dozens of different mutants, teams etc which is why the next three X-Men films I listed above (should they happen) all excite me unlike Sinister Six or even Venom (a character I"m a fan of but don't think he works without Spider-Man).

Also reflecting back on the ones I have listed in the top tier I actually don't think time has been kind to the Raimi films with the first two not having the lure they once did and I actually thought the first Amazing Spider-Man was miles better. It's a shame the sequel let me down but Andrew Garfield remained excellent and I hope he gets to continue the role whatever happens to the character. Sony has a lot of slack to pick up and they really need to nail these spin offs or there dream of a shared universe is over before it's even really begun. Fox got X-Men massively back on track with the past three films and I hope they continue to build this universe. However so far there Fantastic Four reboot doesn't sound hopeful but hopefully it's a worry over nothing situation (I won't be so arrogant to state any upcoming films are already a disaster as we have no idea). So they still have to prove they can make it work outside of X-Men/Wolverine.

 

[Tg11]

Definitely Fox because they f***** up The Fantastic Four franchise as well as Daredevil and Daredevil was going to spawn off into a franchise but it didn't happen because of Fox f****** it all up before it could ever get off the ground but the only movies that I would say have thrived under Fox in terms of Marvel are the X-Men movies but if Disney were smart they would buy the rights to the X-Men franchise before Fox f**** that up too

 

[Zant]

There's no desperation, no hatred, and no humour.

Fair enough if you say so. It must be fustrating how he keeps making critically acclaimed superhero flims and is about to make another in 2016.

 

[First Avenger]

Singer is a good story-teller. Even if his movies barely resemble comics' X-Men,I love his movies.

 

[NealKenneth]

I always enjoy Singer films the first time I watch them but, on further viewings, they start to feel bloated and meandering.

 

[ctriis]

In my opinion:

Sony is "worse", simply because they currently have a downwards trajectory whereas Fox has an upwards trajectory in terms of quality of their films. TASM 2 was a lot worse than TASM 1. First Class was way better than The Last Stand, yet DoFP was even better than First Class. Also, The Wolverine was better than X-Men Origins: Wolverine. I have doubts about the upcoming Fantastic Four films, but I still think the reboot will be better than the first two.

 

[Spiderine]

Given the current state of affairs its Sony. Sony only has one property and its a sinking ship. Fox has the Xmen property thats fairly in good health and at least has fans optimistic again. It also has the ability to actually produce spinoffs from the Xmen property unlike the ridiculous ideas that Sony wants to do with creating a Spidey-verse. They have no good places to go.

Fox's other property is dead as far as Im concerned. Just give it up already.

 

[Flint Marko]

I actually don't see Fox's spin offs working at all. I really can't see a Gambit or Deadpool movie being a huge hit, but hey, I could be wrong.

 

[The Endless]

I don't think they expect the likes of Deadpool to be huge hits. It won't have a budget over 100 million though.

Fox definitely has more potential. They're on an upswing at the moment whereas Sony is crashing and burning with the ASM franchise.

 

[First Avenger]

I actually don't see Fox's spin offs working at all. I really can't see a Gambit or Deadpool movie being a huge hit, but hey, I could be wrong.

I'm hopeful for Deadpool TBH.

 

[starscream22]

They both suck equally. They both have just about the same amount of good 2 decent movies & both have plenty of bad MARVEL movies

I selected both!

I was willing to give ASM2 a chance and Sony blew it. But despite all the success that last Fox-men movie got for erasing like 80% of its continuity they turn around and treat F4's reboot like they did Elektra.

Until those 3 franches have reverted they are NOT considered Marvel films to me PERIOD!

 

[Iceman]

Fox & Sony have made some tremendous stuff-ups in their time (and are still doing so) but don't forget the reason we are now seeing MCUs & DCCUs popping up is because Fox & Sony laid all the groundwork with their successful projects.

 

[starscream22]

I actually don't see Fox's spin offs working at all. I really can't see a Gambit or Deadpool movie being a huge hit, but hey, I could be wrong.

I don't either. People are assuming that Deadpool spinoff will be like that test footage. But I doubt it.

Plus it's a February release so don't look for much of a budget or plot.

Most of the villains he encounters are the same hitman/mobster types as the ones tied to Spider-man, Daredevil, Punisher and Cap. So since we're not going to see him going up against AIM, Task Master, Bullseye or Tombstone, who's Fox going to pair him up against?

Oh let me guess, Magneto!

 

[starscream22]

Fox & Sony have made some tremendous stuff-ups in their time (and are still doing so) but don't forget the reason we are now seeing MCUs & DCCUs popping up is because Fox & Sony laid all the groundwork with their successful projects.

.............Well if you wanna put Fox and Sony on a pedestal for getting rich off of mostly mediocre Marvel films then be my guest.

I prefer to give credit where credit is due.

 

[Iceman]

.............Well if you wanna put Fox and Sony on a pedestal for getting rich off of mostly mediocre Marvel films then be my guest.

I prefer to give credit where credit is due.

I'm not putting them on a pedestal, just playing devil's advocate.

I'm talking about the 1st few films which totally redeemed the industry to the GA after B&R. As in Spider-man 1 & 2 and X1 & 2. Marvel obviously weren't confident in making their own universe at the time having handed out non-reverting rights to some of their biggest properties and DC even less so. Once those films came out and did well Marvel got their act together, and once Marvel got their act together WB/DC started getting their act together. Sony & Fox may have since made a hell of a lot of mistakes but to ignore their contribution altogether is doing them a disservice.

 

[CyclopsWasRight]

Definitely Fox because they f***** up The Fantastic Four franchise as well as Daredevil and Daredevil was going to spawn off into a franchise but it didn't happen because of Fox f****** it all up before it could ever get off the ground

Agreed.

the only movies that I would say have thrived under Fox in terms of Marvel are the X-Men movies but if Disney were smart they would buy the rights to the X-Men franchise before Fox f**** that up too

Can't buy what's not for sale.

As for F***ing it up well it's entirely possible but with the last two X-Men movies being 87% critically acclaimed and 92% critically acclaimed, the rest in the 80% range bar one and and the fact it's the longest running Marvel franchise, well it's got far more saying it'll continue on just fine than fall apart

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

All of the X-Men movies bar one are in the 80% range or above critically.

X-Men: The Last Stand - 58%
X-Men Origins: Wolverine - 38%
The Wolverine - 69%

Obviously we know math isn't your strong suit.

 

[Iceman]

He's not including the Wolverine films I guess.

 

[Flint Marko]

I'm hopeful for Deadpool TBH.

If it's as good as the test footage I'll see it. However I don't see Fox making a proper Deadloool movie, but we'll just have to wait and find out.
Anyways you can tell how poor a studio is when their best move in recent years is undoing the continuity screwed up by past movies. And for the record I really enjoyed DOFP, but I give credit to Singer and Vaughn entirely.

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

He's not including the Wolverine films I guess.

Then he's trying to mislead people.

 

[TheSpectacular]

Sony.

I enjoyed TASM2 more than most people and I think TASM is the best Non-MCU Marvel film to date. However, it seems that Sony does interfere with their films more often than Fox, and the obsession with universe building for one character just won't work.

I'm not a big fan of the first batch of X-Men films, but First Class and Days of Future Past definitely show a large leap in quality. Fantastic Four, I don't really care. Other than Dr. Doom and Galactus, I find the title rather uninteresting and it seems like Fox doesn't even care about the upcoming film.

 

[hippie_hunter]

Sony might get the edge because of the historical legacy of the Raimi Spider Man films.

If we're just looking at current production, it's Fox because of the X-Men films, which can be attributed entirely to the one-time historical anomaly that is the hiring of Matthew Vaughn.

Bryan Singer himself is mediocre at best and has been for years. His most recent movie was propped up by the legacy of Vaughn's transient leadership. The most emotional scene in DoFP, the airplane scene, is one where one of Vaughn's cast (Fassbender) laments the off-screen death of a character we got to know in Vaughn's movie.

I think you're giving a little too much credit to Vaughn here. And by little, I mean you are giving Vaughn far too much credit while dismissing Singer. Bryan Singer was supposed to direct X-Men: First Class but had to drop out due to other commitments. But Singer was still a producer and the story was Singer's. And tonally, First Class fits very well with the Singer X-Men films. The fact is that Singer was very hands on with First Class even though he wasn't the director of that film. Do you think that Vaughn would have moved forward with the script that he and Jane Goldman wrote without Singer's approval? No. Do you think that Michael Fassbender, James McAvoy, Jennifer Lawrence, and the others would have been cast if Singer didn't like them? No. And here's the other thing, if you're looking at the current X-Men films as a "First Class Trilogy," Singer will have directed two out of the three films. Vaughn really didn't have any leadership with this, it has always been Bryan Singer.

If anything to describe Vaughn, he essentially piggy-backs off of Singer whether it was him taking over from Singer in X-Men: the Last Stand (and dropping out) or taking over from Singer in X-Men: First Class. While Vaughn's influences certainly cannot be dismissed from him making a far more colorful film than Singer and really embracing the 60's setting that was placed upon him (personally I think Vaughn embraced the 60's far more than Singer would have), and of course polishing up the script with Jane Goldman; but Vaughn was essentially nothing but a placeholder for some other guy.

 

[hippie_hunter]

I actually don't see Fox's spin offs working at all. I really can't see a Gambit or Deadpool movie being a huge hit, but hey, I could be wrong.

I don't see them being huge hits, but if the budget is under control and with the proper marketing, they could end up being rather moderately successful and if we get good films out of them, could really enrich the X-Men Cinematic Universe.