Fox vs. Sony - who is worse?

[starscream22]

The point that they are making some crap non-X films today, a point that noone is contesting!

And I like The Wolverine too. I thought most people did.

Yeah well that's only if you're counting the few people who went out to see it.

That amount might not be more than the first Ghost Rider (domestic) once you factor in inflation.

Basically the people who normally like Fox-men movies weren't upset when they bought a ticket. Me on the other hand once I eventually watched it on Redbox I'm glad I didn't.

 

[Havok83]

Yeah well that's only if you're counting the few people who went out to see it.

That amount might not be more than the first Ghost Rider (domestic) once you factor in inflation.

Basically the people who normally like Fox-men movies weren't upset when they bought a ticket. Me on the other hand once I eventually watched it on Redbox I'm glad I didn't.

No, you are in the minority. The Wolverine was well received by the general viewing audience. It wasnt just a "few people"

 

[Iceman]

Wow...you guys sure do love using the love using the GA when you think it's convenient.

HELLO, THAT WAS THE POINT!

Blade proved that a rated R film based off of a Marvel Comic Book could be taken seriously and be successful!

To deny this is asinine. Why do you think Studio's were so reluctant up until this point? H3ll Fox still didn't have much faith in source material which is why Singer made the X-men look like Neo. So yeah thanks for bringing that all back up for me....

Regardless if fans knew Blade and MIB were Marvel properties they still liked them which is all that mattered to the studios who followed suit.

TRUE OR NOT?

See you get angry, find one line in my post that you disagree with, and then you forget how the discussion started. You were responding to me. My point was

I'm talking about the 1st few films which totally redeemed the industry to the GA after B&R.

It's obvious that studios would know where the products they are licensing come from and that nerds like us who obsess over it would know. The redemption of comic films in the eyes of the GA post B&R is what gave studios the confidence that they would go to see more of them. If Road to Perdition had done Titanic numbers I doubt that would have given them the same confidence as they don't know if the GA associate it with comic films.

 

[Human Torch]

Alright,what did CyclopsWasRight do now?

 

[starscream22]

No, you are in the minority. The Wolverine was well received by the general viewing audience. It wasnt just a "few people"

No, the MAJORITY (Fans and GA) all went to see GOTG and enjoyed it.

$132M isn't small potatoes but considering aaaaall the other Marvel and DC films that have released in the past 3 years years, why is Wolverine the lowest if it's so "well received"?

GOTG's $323M ($200M more than fox's Logan movie) is real proof of good word of mouth because it started at #1 it's first week, went as low as #3 for a couple weeks then jumped back at #1 for like 3 weeks straight. IN AUGUST! Which was around the same time period that Wolverine released the year before.(give or take a day or 2) So saying that I'm the minority on this thread isn't saying much given how big GOTG was by comparison. Keep in mind that Wolverine and Hugh Jackman are much more popular than anyone in GOTG.

If you liked the movie fine..... But I think in this case people should just speak for themselves just as I was. And if the majority rules then I'll let the numbers do the talking for me in this case.

 

[Donut]

Alright,what did CyclopsWasRight do now?

About a week or go now. A mod told him 2

Not even a week later he did not

Voila

 

[Iceman]

Your majority certainly loved those 1st 2 Spidey films! Do those numbers talk too? The 1st one had a multiplier way over 3 even after a record breaking opening weekend.

 

[Saitou Hajime]

It's annoying to me how the Wolverine is considered to be such a "successful" and a "quality" film while copious amounts of scorn are heaped upon TDW and IM3. The latter two have critic scores that are either in the same range (TDW) or way ahead (IM3), and their audience scores and box office results blow it out of the water. And the Wolverine has just as much dumb **** in it as TDW and IM3, in fact I'd say it's dumber because they purposefully sully their "serious" film with all the cartoony ****.

 

[MbJ]

Sony. The fans may not agree with everything they do but they still have quality people behind the scenes. And I'm sure I'll be crucified for saying this, but I have complete faith in Trank and Kinnberg to deliver even if it's not a completely faithful adaptation.

Sony gives off a much more sterilized, corporate vibe. Every Marvel movie they've done since Spider-Man 3 reeks of studio group think and corporate micromanaging to sell action figures and set up more spin-offs and sequels.

 

[Donut]

Sony gives off a much more sterilized, corporate vibe. Every Marvel movie they've done since Spider-Man 3 reeks of studio group think and corporate micromanaging to sell action figures and set up more spin-offs and sequels.

You do realize that Sony has no say in the merchandising of Spider-Man & they get none of the profits right ?

 

[Havok83]

It's annoying to me how the Wolverine is considered to be such a "successful" and a "quality" film while TDW and IM3. The latter two have critic scores that are either in the same range (TDW) or way ahead (IM3), and their audience chores and box office results blow it out of the water. And the Wolverine has just as much dumb **** in it as TDW and IM3, in fact I'd say it's dumber because they purposefully sully their "serious" film with all the cartoony ****.

what is TDW?

You do realize that Sony has no say in the merchandising of Spider-Man & they get none of the profits right ?

are you sure about that? I was under the assumption that they recieve profits from any product based on the movies. Im pretty sure they profit from those all those movie tie-in games

 

[Havok83]

No, the MAJORITY (Fans and GA) all went to see GOTG and enjoyed it.

$132M isn't small potatoes but considering aaaaall the other Marvel and DC films that have released in the past 3 years years, why is Wolverine the lowest if it's so "well received"?

GOTG's $323M ($200M more than fox's Logan movie) is real proof of good word of mouth because it started at #1 it's first week, went as low as #3 for a couple weeks then jumped back at #1 for like 3 weeks straight. IN AUGUST! Which was around the same time period that Wolverine released the year before.(give or take a day or 2) So saying that I'm the minority on this thread isn't saying much given how big GOTG was by comparison. Keep in mind that Wolverine and Hugh Jackman are much more popular than anyone in GOTG.

If you liked the movie fine..... But I think in this case people should just speak for themselves just as I was. And if the majority rules then I'll let the numbers do the talking for me in this case.

No one is talking box office numbers here. It was a sequel to the 2 worst film in the series. Its numbers were affected by Origins and XM3. With that said, it was well recieved by those who actually saw it. Most that did, didnt view it as the crap that those two movies were. The Wolverine wasnt a movie that was panned. The general reception was that it was a decent film

 

[Iceman]

what is TDW?



are you sure about that? I was under the assumption that they recieve profits from any product based on the movies. Im pretty sure they profit from those all those movie tie-in games

Thor 2 (The Dark World)

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

are you sure about that? I was under the assumption that they recieve profits from any product based on the movies. Im pretty sure they profit from those all those movie tie-in games

Nope. They gave it all up to Marvel in 2011 in exchange for Marvel's cut of the film gross. It was an incredibly bad decision by Sony.

 

[Wise]

Sony has only had three bad films imo.

Ghost Rider, Spiderman 3 and Amazing Spiderman 2 were awful.

Fox has made twice as many stinkers.

Fantastic 4, Fantastic 4: ROSS, X-Men 3, X-Men Origins: Wolverine, Daredevil and Electra.


Plus Fox's Fantastic Four Reboot looks absolutely horrendous.

 

[Wise]

It's annoying to me how the Wolverine is considered to be such a "successful" and a "quality" film while copious amounts of scorn are heaped upon TDW and IM3. The latter two have critic scores that are either in the same range (TDW) or way ahead (IM3), and their audience scores and box office results blow it out of the water. And the Wolverine has just as much dumb **** in it as TDW and IM3, in fact I'd say it's dumber because they purposefully sully their "serious" film with all the cartoony ****.

Wait a second people actually liked the Snoreverine?

That film was boooooooring as hell. Plus what was the point of it when 6 months later DOFP deleted it from the canon anyhow?

 

[Donut]

are you sure about that?

Yep MARVEL made more with the Spidey merchandising then Sony did with TASM 2 this year. Sony does not profit from Spidey merchandising once so ever

 

[Iceman]

I'd imagine the Spidey merchandising is going to be a safer, more stable revenue stream than the films. Especially with the current uncertainty.

 

[First Avenger]

It's annoying to me how the Wolverine is considered to be such a "successful" and a "quality" film while copious amounts of scorn are heaped upon TDW and IM3. The latter two have critic scores that are either in the same range (TDW) or way ahead (IM3), and their audience scores and box office results blow it out of the water. And the Wolverine has just as much dumb **** in it as TDW and IM3, in fact I'd say it's dumber because they purposefully sully their "serious" film with all the cartoony ****.

I know right?

 

[Flint Marko]

It's annoying to me how the Wolverine is considered to be such a "successful" and a "quality" film while copious amounts of scorn are heaped upon TDW and IM3. The latter two have critic scores that are either in the same range (TDW) or way ahead (IM3), and their audience scores and box office results blow it out of the water. And the Wolverine has just as much dumb **** in it as TDW and IM3, in fact I'd say it's dumber because they purposefully sully their "serious" film with all the cartoony ****.

There are people here who like to pretend IM3 and TDW were "failures" in some way in a misguided attempt at validating their own opinions, or building up a movie they preferred that wasn't as successful.

No one is talking box office numbers here. It was a sequel to the 2 worst film in the series. Its numbers were affected by Origins and XM3. With that said, it was well recieved by those who actually saw it. Most that did, didnt view it as the crap that those two movies were. The Wolverine wasnt a movie that was panned. The general reception was that it was a decent film

It wasn't panned but it was extremely forgettable. Seriously, I've said multiple times that I enjoyed the movie, but it's almost baffling it ever got made because nothing of consequence happens the movie and even Fox themselves have all but forgotten about it.

 

[Zarex]

Nope. They gave it all up to Marvel in 2011 in exchange for Marvel's cut of the film gross. It was an incredibly bad decision by Sony.

To be fair, I don't think Sony really had a choice in selling off their 25% stake of the Spider-man LP. Disney may have put all Spidey tie-in merchandise on hold until an agreement was reached. Sony execs would have laughed if Marvel tried the same tactic prior to the buyout.

 

[hippie_hunter]

You know it and I know it.....H3ll, Avi Arad even put it out there that those 2 Franchises help sell a "RELUCTANT" Fox studio on taking the X-men off their hands (Fire sale cheap unfortunately).

You have to look at the various factors. Previous studios that had the X-Men film rights before 20th Century Fox (Orion and Carloco) went under, Marvel itself had financial problems, and comic book films were not the film staples that we see today. Marvel really didn't have a strong hand when dealing with the various studios in regards to their IPs.

So I don't see how using the masses ignorance is an excuse to slight the true starters of Marvel CBM's.

Men in Black is not a Marvel film and Blade was treated as an action-horror film. People didn't recognize Blade as a Marvel property until the second film, it was nothing but an action vampire movie. X-Men and Spider-Man were what set off the modern superhero trend because not only were they proper superhero properties, but Marvel was given far more credit as well.

To me your reasons are burying the truth more so than telling it. Now if Both Blade and MIB were both crap then you'd have a better argument... But they were both successful and both by Marvel.

Blade did wipe away a lot of the taint of Marvel films created by Howard the Duck and the crappy direct-to-video films, but it was only a moderately successful film. Good enough for New Line, but not enough to create the wave we see today. X-Men and Spider-Man though were mega-successful films and more in line with the comic book genre than Blade was.

Marvel had nothing to do with Men in Black. For all intents and purposes, it's a Sony property, not a Marvel property. All Marvel has are the publishing rights to future Men in Black comics, which it has no interest in doing. The rights were optioned in 1992, years before Marvel even acquired the Aircel/Malibu library and unlike Blade, Marvel doesn't even get any credit. Sony Pictures have all of the licensing rights to the IP, all of the creative rights to the IP, etc. Sony Pictures essentially owns Men in Black the way Warner Bros. owns Harry Potter and Lord of the Rings.

Unfortunately for me their (Fox) Silver Samurai and Viper were no different than what they did to Deadpool in Origins.

Deadpool was far, far worse than Silver Samurai and Viper.

Wow...you guys sure do love using the love using the GA when you think it's convenient.

Because you kinda need the general public to make things successful. We geeks are nothing more than a niche used to hype things up.

HELLO, THAT WAS THE POINT!

Blade proved that a rated R film based off of a Marvel Comic Book could be taken seriously and be successful!

Blade wasn't promoted as a Marvel film back when it was first released. The Marvel brand wasn't treated the way it is today.

To deny this is asinine. Why do you think Studio's were so reluctant up until this point?

Because asides from Batman, comic book films were not successful. They were viewed as cheap kids movies. X-Men and Spider-Man changed all that.

Regardless if fans knew Blade and MIB were Marvel properties they still liked them which is all that mattered to the studios who followed suit.

TRUE OR NOT?

Not. Because the studios at first didn't view Blade as some comic book property. And Marvel had no impact on Men in Black.

 

[hippie_hunter]

It's annoying to me how the Wolverine is considered to be such a "successful" and a "quality" film while copious amounts of scorn are heaped upon TDW and IM3. The latter two have critic scores that are either in the same range (TDW) or way ahead (IM3), and their audience scores and box office results blow it out of the water. And the Wolverine has just as much dumb **** in it as TDW and IM3, in fact I'd say it's dumber because they purposefully sully their "serious" film with all the cartoony ****.

Wait, people act as if Thor: The Dark World and Iron Man 3 are failures

 

[starscream22]

Wait a second people actually liked the Snoreverine?

That film was boooooooring as hell. Plus what was the point of it when 6 months later DOFP deleted it from the canon anyhow?

Psst!

......I totally agree with you but Fox-men fans don't seem to care about things like continuity. But I think it's okay to sit back and laugh.

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

Wait, people act as if Thor: The Dark World and Iron Man 3 are failures

Believe it or not, yes. I don't get it either.