Fox vs. Sony - who is worse?

[TeeKay]

Don't blame Marvelfor the failure of this film. Fox have proved that they can make great CBMs, First Class and X-2 are great films. Why could they not do that with the FF? Please your point is just silly.

 

[Mjölnir]

Congrats? Your prize is a crappy FF movie, no FF comics, no FF or X-men promotion, merchandise, or cartoons, and desperate attempts at making the Inhumans happen.

I'd rather say that the hoped for prize is that the board at Fox won't let them make more FF movies and the rights will eventually fall back to Marvel, where the property can do some good, regardless if it's an FF movie or just using parts of the property to enhance others.

 

[Flint Marko]

No one should be laughing when a brand gets damaged. I just don't get this mentality. Good comic book movies are good for everyone. Bad comic book movies are bad for everyone. Fans have to be the only people giddy when a bad movie is made.

When the studio and the film makers clearly do not care about the fans, the source material, or anything that made that property great, we should all be happy that they were not rewarded for their actions.

 

[CyclopsWasRight]

I'd rather say that the hoped for prize is that the board at Fox won't let them make more FF movies and the rights will eventually fall back to Marvel, where the property can do some good, regardless if it's an FF movie or just using parts of the property to enhance others.

Fox may consider the same. Utilize Surfer, Galactus, Anhilus or others in an X-Men-related movie. They're unlikely to do another FF movie but they 'may' have the option to still benefit from the IPs catalog of villains.

Doubt they would though as they don't have great foresight.

I'd love if they did a Starjammers movie with Anhilus and Surfer involved

 

[Mjölnir]

Fox may consider the same. Utilize Surfer, Galactus, Anhilus or others in an X-Men-related movie. They're unlikely to do another FF movie but they 'may' have the option to still benefit from the IPs catalog of villains.

It's possible, but I hope they won't. There's plenty to do in the X-Men franchise as it is and mixing those things in gives me the same vibes as I got when I heard about the concept of FF. Doesn't mean that it will automatically be terrible, but it's not what I want out of the X-Men franchise (which I do want to stay with Fox since mutants and their struggle work better without other super beings around)

 

[TeeKay]

They CAN'T cross over into the X-Men lol And I doubt they'd be stupid enough to cross over this toxic franchise into the X-Men if they could. Leave the X-Men out of this.

 

[CyclopsWasRight]

It's possible, but I hope they won't. There's plenty to do in the X-Men franchise as it is and mixing those things in gives me the same vibes as I got when I heard about the concept of FF. Doesn't mean that it will automatically be terrible, but it's not what I want out of the X-Men franchise (which I do want to stay with Fox since mutants and their struggle work better without other super beings around)

I want them to globalise the Mutant world more. Show more of Mutants in other nations, though this is something I'd like in pretty much any CBM universe. That and a variation of teams with different goals (X-Men, X-Force, X-Factor) is what is want I'd want most for the future of the franchise. Though Starjammers would be cool

 

[Filmfreak]

I always hated the idea of an X-Men/FF crossover and it has nothing to do with the quality of the latter. I'm sure they wouldn't want to mix them now that the FF failed like that but how do we actually know they can't?

 

[Havok83]

Fox may consider the same. Utilize Surfer, Galactus, Anhilus or others in an X-Men-related movie. They're unlikely to do another FF movie but they 'may' have the option to still benefit from the IPs catalog of villains.

Doubt they would though as they don't have great foresight.

I'd love if they did a Starjammers movie with Anhilus and Surfer involved

Why? The FF have a very unique villian base, distinct from the X-men. They dont really work for me and the X-men have enough that it isnt necesary to pull characters from another franchise for them to fight. Something cosmic like Starjammers, I can see it working in, but not an X-men film. Like I dont want to see Dr. Doom headlining the next X-men film even if he has fought them in the books

 

[Bayne]

I always hated the idea of an X-Men/FF crossover and it has nothing to do with the quality of the latter. I'm sure they wouldn't want to mix them now that the FF failed like that but how do we actually know they can't?

Of course they can. They own the rights to both properties, they can mix them if they want to. Even official interviews were talking about possible ideas for a crossover right up until the film tanked. It probably won't happen now, and thank goodness for that, but if they change they mind they can basically do what they want.

 

[First Avenger]

They needed the ok from Marvel because the licenses were sold separately.

 

[Val_Zod]

Of course they can. They own the rights to both properties, they can mix them if they want to. Even official interviews were talking about possible ideas for a crossover right up until the film tanked. It probably won't happen now, and thank goodness for that, but if they change they mind they can basically do what they want.

They can't do that, because both of them are part of separate contracts. Fox does not own Xmen or Fantastic Four. They have licensing rights to make films based on the characters, so long as they fulfill the terms of the contract, which state they must make a film every X amount of years or they lose the rights.

Because they are part of 2 different contracts with some different conditions, they would have to go to Marvel and get the ok to do this. Pre-MCU Marvel I can see agreeing to this, but now its clear Marvel ultimately wants all their properties back, and a cross over would certainly make that venture more difficult. Between that, and the bad blood between Fox and Marvel, I don't see Marvel agreeing to allow a crossover.

 

[starscream22]

Congrats? Your prize is a crappy FF movie, no FF comics, no FF or X-men promotion, merchandise, or cartoons, and desperate attempts at making the Inhumans happen.

Well that's a rather bitter assessment. But it's not unexpected considering your stance in all this... At least you've come to terms with the reality that this was indeed a crappy, last minute, rights grab set up by shady, petty, greedy, inept studio execs who approved an unstable director, hack screen writer, distant producer, a poor cast, sub-par marketing, topped off with a dismal editing team. But since many of us have entertained these things the past 2 years, I guess you're welcome.

 

[Mad Ones]

Well that's a rather bitter assessment. But it's not unexpected considering your stance in all this...

What exactly is my "stance in all this?" I'm not sure I've ever read a post from you that wasn't baiting for a studio flame war. At least you're in the right thread this time.

 

[starscream22]

What exactly is my "stance in all this?" I'm not sure I've ever read a post from you that wasn't baiting for a studio flame war. At least you're in the right thread this time.

Really? Why haven't the Mods/admins checked me for it...? I mean that's kind of their job, just like you telling people what they should or shouldn't be happy about after being wrong about this reboot the past few months must be your job I'm guessing.....?

Oh right that's not a real title just the result of eating crow I'd wager. F.Y.I. vilifying or lecturing me or anyone else who's been being right this whole time wont grant any closure....

 

[Mad Ones]

Really? Why haven't the Mods/admins checked me for it...? I mean that's kind of their job, just like you telling people what they should shouldn't be happy about after being wrong about this reboot the pass few months must be your job I'm guessing.....?

Oh right that's not a real title just the result of eating crow I'd wager. F.Y.I. vilifying me for being right wont change that....

Yup, you're so happy that you were right! This whole situation is really awesome for you. Congrats, you're vindicated! I hope the fallout of this movie is everything you wanted it to be. So far it isn't helping your petty and bitter attitude.

 

[starscream22]

Yup, you're so happy that you were right! This whole situation is really awesome for you. Congrats, you're vindicated! I hope the fallout of this movie is everything you wanted it to be. So far it isn't helping your petty and bitter attitude.

Ah, see there....you're begrudgingly admitting what was obvious to many while trying to diminish it with claims of flame warring.

Then there's this.....

No one should be laughing when a brand gets damaged. I just don't get this mentality. Good comic book movies are good for everyone. Bad comic book movies are bad for everyone. Fans have to be the only people giddy when a bad movie is made.

To be fair I think most would've preferred this reboot wasn't made by Fox at all given the outcome. Why you presume we're content with them making this bad one is for you to mill over.

You call it a studio/flame war but to me and many others it's just a matter of choosing a car with air conditioning(MCU) instead of one without it(Fox). So if you are feeling any residual "flame" then perhaps you've chosen poorly.

 

[Tony Stark]

This whole post is Sig worthy. Holy ****!

Yeah his post is definitely worthy of the "Picard maneuver"

 

[Tony Stark]

Fox may consider the same. Utilize Surfer, Galactus, Anhilus or others in an X-Men-related movie. They're unlikely to do another FF movie but they 'may' have the option to still benefit from the IPs catalog of villains.

Doubt they would though as they don't have great foresight.

I'd love if they did a Starjammers movie with Anhilus and Surfer involved

There's no evidence they have the legal right to do this, other than conjecture. The X-men contract and the FF contracts are separate. I don't know of any movie studio that has separate licensed IP's that they are allowed to combine those elements.

 

[starscream22]

There's no evidence they have the legal right to do this, other than conjecture. The X-men contract and the FF contracts are separate. I don't know of any movie studio that has separate licensed IP's that they are allowed to combine those elements.

Deep down he knows this but until Fox stops dangling the possibility of these unlikely crossovers. People like this will continue to put it out there as if it's fact.

Here's a thought! Fox clearly knew this reboot was in jeopardy way before anyone else did. So wouldn't a X-men cameo or two have possibly saved this reboot...?

If it's as sweet for Fox to do what they claim with these 2 properties then why haven't they???

 

[Tony Stark]

No one should be laughing when a brand gets damaged. I just don't get this mentality. Good comic book movies are good for everyone. Bad comic book movies are bad for everyone. Fans have to be the only people giddy when a bad movie is made.

If anyone is laughing, its to dull the pain from Fox just raping and pillaging the FF right infront of our eyes.

You're right, this severely damaged the brand. You know what else? a number of us called this going back since the cast was announced and every bad decision made since. A few people wanted to give the film a chance because they felt Fox should try something new, and that's understandable, but those of us who said this was the wrong direction from the beginning have been proven out.

That isn't something to be proud of, it's something Fox should be ashamed of, that many of us saw this coming from a mile a way and people were so set in their ways they didn't listen to reason.

Yes Fox brought this on themselves, but we're all paying the price for it.

 

[OcStat]

I think it's funny that DoFP was supposed to have a scene where Juggernaut was used in place of Quicksilver to break Magneto out of his cell, which would have had Juggernaut dropping out of a helicopter. That was scrapped, and recycled for FF with the Thing, and then cut from that movie too. After being in all the trailers and commercials, haha!

Same screen writer, no? He just wanted to use it so badly! Too bad Incredible Hulk beat him to the punch by ohhhh, several years?

 

[AndrewGilkison]

I don't begrudge Fox for making movies with the rights to licenses that they bought and paid for.

I do begrudge them for not making GOOD Fantastic Four movies though. I will happily begrudge them for that. And I am very happy that FFINO bombed because Fox got what it deserved for not making a real Fantastic Four movie that respected it's source material. It didn't have to be that way though. But Fox made it that way.

 

[MydnightPhoenix]

I don't begrudge Fox for making movies with the rights to licenses that they bought and paid for.

I do begrudge them for not making GOOD Fantastic Four movies though. I will happily begrudge them for that. And I am very happy that FFINO bombed because Fox got what it deserved for not making a real Fantastic Four movie that respected it's source material. It didn't have to be that way though. But Fox made it that way.

Well that in itself is ok. Being mad at Fox for half a--ing the film isn't a bad thing. Being mad at them for doing this just to keep their rights is fine also. It's the studio flame wars and hatred for Sony and Fox for daring to do these films that they brought and the udea that Fox is somehw obligated to give any thing to Marvel is what i have a problem with. Not calling anyone out specifically or this board either. Just the overall attitude of a large majority of Marvel fans.
If this movie sux as bad as it seems, then Fox deserves to lose money. Next time they need to take it as serious as their other projects.

 

[Flint Marko]

Well that in itself is ok. Being mad at Fox for half a--ing the film isn't a bad thing. Being mad at them for doing this just to keep their rights is fine also. It's the studio flame wars and hatred for Sony and Fox for daring to do these films that they brought and the udea that Fox is somehw obligated to give any thing to Marvel is what i have a problem with. Not calling anyone out specifically or this board either. Just the overall attitude of a large majority of Marvel fans.

They aren't obligated to give Marvel anything, but when Marvel offers you a deal like they did Fox back in 2012, you take it. Doing anything else is a poor business and creative decision that reveals your pettiness and will rightly earn you criticism.