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World Friendly Neighborhood Spider-Man #7 MAJOR SPOILERS SHOCKING RETURN

Well, I went along for the ride for Gwen, and Bucky. So I might as well see how the trifecta plays out.

Truthfully though, as much as I like PAD, I've never cared for the majority of his Spidey stuff. I think an awesome writer would be able to pull something like this off (like Brubaker recently did), but an awesome writer would've been able to pull Sins Past off. I don't have much hope for it being that good of a story, but I'm not going to get all up in arms over it.
 
Flonk said:
Drats! I've been found out! What tipped you off? The part where I said you should read a story before judging it? Or the part where I said that I liked the current Spider-man books? God forbid you buy and read books because you enjoy them, not because you like to complain on the Interweb.

Flonk, here's a concept for you to learn, the Internet is for sharing opinions. My current opinion on the state of the Spider-Man books is that they are pretty bad. Welcome to the Internet and the wonderful world of message boards. :)
 
EDIT: I changed my mind! No wisdom for you!
 
No way this is the real Ben. I don't think Marvel is THAT stupid.
 
Captivated said:
Good grief... :mad: Is NOTHING sacred?!

So we have a time traveling Hobgoblin, who not only KNOWS who Spider-Man is, but knows Peter's deepest motivation for being a hero... and what does he mean "erase ALL Spider-Men" - plural?

This sounds pretty convoluted, and would screw up WAY to much, so surely it will not last.

Wasn't there a "What If" story that explored this, not to mention that House of M horror.

THis sounds like it's going to have some ties to the "Spider-Man meets Spider-Man 2099" oneshot. Both Spider-Men were warped to the year 2211 at some point, and there was also a GreenGoblin 2211 and a Spider-Man 2211. GreenGoblin 2211 was also trying to erase all the Spider-Men throughout time. It was actually a better issue then it sounds on paper.
 
I pretty much agree with CaptainStacy's opinion (I think it was his, at least. :confused: If not, whoever said it can pick their opinion up at the lost and found. :)); it's probably not going to be a disrepectful thing like Sins Past - I'm sure Uncle Ben's not really back - but it still seems like a waste of a good writer and artist.
 
Citizen_Kaine said:
Spider Girl?

Spider Girl anyone?

Aunt May is dead, Baby May is alive, Kaine is still here :up:, and The Real Hobgoblin as well, not to mention consistant quality month after month and respect for a characters history. And of course my personal favorite Spidey writer Tom Defalco

or you could read the other Spider Man What If? series, you know, the one featuring Iron Man's sidekick, Stingers, Mexican Wrestling, Uncle Ben and the villians from 2099 :o
Oh i'm feelin' you on that one, C.K.! Spider-Man's comics are in a complete disaray at the moment- with even Ultimate Spider-Man lacking, Bendis is WAAAY to busy with like 100 other books! Spider-Girl is the most consistent Spider-book out on the shelves. If only the other writers would pay attention to what Tom DeFalco is doing with that book- they could learn something....
 
CConn said:
I pretty much agree with CaptainStacy's opinion (I think it was his, at least. :confused: If not, whoever said it can pick their opinion up at the lost and found. :)); it's probably not going to be a disrepectful thing like Sins Past - I'm sure Uncle Ben's not really back - but it still seems like a waste of a good writer and artist.
Ok, but ask yourself this question: "How many more times will Marvel lean towards "SHOCK VALUE" stories that suck, until they've ran away the real hardcore Spidey fans?" Joe Q. and Tom B. can't beleive that this crap will continue to go over well with the fans without massive loses...
 
LarryLegend said:
Flonk, here's a concept for you to learn, the Internet is for sharing opinions. My current opinion on the state of the Spider-Man books is that they are pretty bad. Welcome to the Internet and the wonderful world of message boards. :)

You're the one who said I'm either "a Marvel plant or trying to piss people off" because I have a different opinion than you. Take your own advice.
 
BLAQUE-SPIDERMAN said:
Oh i'm feelin' you on that one, C.K.! Spider-Man's comics are in a complete disaray at the moment- with even Ultimate Spider-Man lacking, Bendis is WAAAY to busy with like 100 other books! Spider-Girl is the most consistent Spider-book out on the shelves. If only the other writers would pay attention to what Tom DeFalco is doing with that book- they could learn something....

I used to like Spider-Girl. But Ron Frenz's art makes my eyes hurt. And about the same time he took over with the art, the writing quality took a sharp downturn. I had to drop the book with the painfully bad domestic violence issue.
 
BLAQUE-SPIDERMAN said:
Joe Q. and Tom B. can't beleive that this crap will continue to go over well with the fans without massive loses...

Sure they do. Just look at what people are doing right now, even after Sins Past, remembered and all the mystic-shatra-totem crap. In fact I think that Joe Q. is counting on it. Because a lot of people just keep telling themselves that things will eventually get better. Like I said....Damn collectors!
 
Flonk said:
I used to like Spider-Girl. But Ron Frenz's art makes my eyes hurt. And about the same time he took over with the art, the writing quality took a sharp downturn. I had to drop the book with the painfully bad domestic violence issue.

Too bad, since your missing out on the best storyline since the Alison Mongrain/Kaine arc way back in Spider Girl 50.

Some people hate Frenz's art, other love it I'm a big fan of his eighties ASM work so put me in the latter catagory

Also I thought the domestic violence issue was a real gem, and I'm one of those guys who despises preachy psa style anything
 
Citizen_Kaine said:
Too bad, since your missing out on the best storyline since the Alison Mongrain/Kaine arc way back in Spider Girl 50.
Cool. I liked that one. If the digests ever get this far, I'll probably pick it up.

And I thought Frenz's 80's stuff was OK. But the super cartoony and (in my opinion) poorly layed out stuff he's doing now I can't stand.
 
well, who has not been brought back from teh dead yet?
we had the clone, aunt may, uncle ben, doc ock, mysterio and everyone else..
so whos left?
spidercyde? roflmao
 
Reminds me of the first comic I picked up, ASM #350, on the cover it had "Spidey's reunion with Uncle Ben... wha?"
Spidey got beat up badly by Dr Doom that he was so delirious he had a conversation with Uncle Ben, maybe it's another one of those? :P

I think they are indeed killing the title off and it's being replaced with a warped "What If" series. (Someone's warped idea at a conference meeting)
What if Gwen slept with...
What if Uncle Ben didn't die...
What if Spidey's powers will still evolving...

etc. etc.
 
SpLiCeR said:
Reminds me of the first comic I picked up, ASM #350, on the cover it had "Spidey's reunion with Uncle Ben... wha?"
Spidey got beat up badly by Dr Doom that he was so delirious he had a conversation with Uncle Ben, maybe it's another one of those? :P

I thought he was really sick, and that's why he saw Ben. And tried to introduce him to some of the people in his college.
 
BLAQUE-SPIDERMAN said:
Ok, but ask yourself this question: "How many more times will Marvel lean towards "SHOCK VALUE" stories that suck, until they've ran away the real hardcore Spidey fans?" Joe Q. and Tom B. can't beleive that this crap will continue to go over well with the fans without massive loses...
I can't ask myself that right now. Currently, I'm involved in pondering this question: "How long am I going to put up with those stain removers that say they'll get things perfectly clean, but they never do, so I'm left with this damn grape juice stain on my pants for the rest of eternity? ****ing *****es!"
 
Ok, if this isn't a hoax i'm disapointed. I was angry at Sins past, but the "fan" in me hoped things would improve and I continued to get the comics and up until The Other I thought things were improving. The Other storyline crushed the few strands of hope I had left. One of the few strands left was FNSM, I liked PADs previous work and clung to this thread - hoping the Spider-man I knew might appear again. Iron-spidey and now the possible return of Uncle Ben have snaped that thread.

I've been a Spider-man subscriber since 1988, but this is putting that in jeopardy.

I really can't think of anything positive about the proposed storyline at all.
Unless somehow all the time travelling involved will be able to retcon Sins past and The Other.

Plus to any writer who moans about future stories being exposed - simply keep them to yourself. DC managed to keep the details of Identity crisis and Infinite crisis a secret until the very last minutes - Marvel should be able to do the same unless its all part of their plan
 
TheWhiteSpider said:
The following post contains expressions of disgust, frustration, and citations of rampant stupidity. Reader discretion is advised.

Damn. That's the entirety of my response in a nutshell. Damn.

Due to my heavy workload my next post was supposed to be another round in an engaging philosophical debate with Stillanerd. Now I pop in to find this. This to-be-expected slap in the face to Marvel's legacy, Spidey's history, and the hundreds of readers that have been the backbone of the Spider-Man franchise that grew from those 12 cent comics way back when -- into the billion dollar juggernaut it is today. I guess I should throw in a "should this be what it seems" to placate the "It's may not even be the real Ben" and "Wait until you read the issue" crowd. Never say I'm unreasonable.

Now, as for the Marvel execs, I'm disgusted with your fanboy pandering to writers who:
a) Have a 'name' that can draw headlines in Wizard magazine and on Newsarama.com
b) Had a successful-in-syndication T.V. show, or genre specific motion picture releases in the early '90s
c) Had a hit run on a comic series [or stand-alone] in the last 15 years.

Your writers have developed a self righteous attitude towards readers, the source material, and fundamental elements of what defines comics in general. This attitude is either cultivated or encouraged from the top down.
A lot has been said about how traditional fans of comics have hurt the industry. We've "poisoned the well for new readers with online diatribes, caused characters to stagnate by hating change, and refused to grow up because we don't understand the difference between 'good stories' and 'nostalgic tales.'"

You want the ironic truth, Marvel management? You're the fanboys.
You are the ones who have gotten so hot under the collar over the prospects of working with creators like JMS, that you've decided his version of the nature and life of a character like Gwen Stacy trumps the basic understanding of her, penned by writers acclaimed for their contributions to the art of comics, who laid the foundation you stand on -- because: "OMG! It's the guy who made Babylon 5!" (Excerpted from an after hours meeting in Marvel's E-I-C's office)*

You've concluded that the idea of Spider-Man being the product of ancient mystical lineage is equal or greater to the pre-2005 origin of the character, known worldwide, that borders on modern mythology -- because: "I mean, he even wrote some episodes of He-Man! How f**** cool is that?!" (Excerpted from cell phone recordings of Joey Quesada)*

Peter David is allowed to take up pages of a paid literary work to continue his online debate with comic book fans -- because: "Dude. He wrote the death of Jean De Wolfe, aaand he can get us at least a couple of write ups per month in the comic mags." (Excerpted from an Outlook Express account on a Marvel Executive's discarded laptop)*

Spider-Man can be brutally ripped to shreds on panel, with no thought to the thousands of children who follow the character's exploits, or his fans that don't hail from the "Mortal Kombat" school of pop culture -- because: "We maintain the highest quality in talent across the entertainment industry. The writer/director of House Party, for example, has been among our staple of creators in recent times." (Taken from a Marvel press release recently discovered on Yahoo.com)*


In all seriousness I take issue. I absolutely take issue with the predominate policies at Marvel comics over the last few years. We're lambasted for not desiring change, but it's OK for your writers to change practically every defining aspect of a character? We're poisoning the atmosphere in the industry with our online messages, but it's OK for writers to use the actual stories to launch counterpoints in real life arguments? You can't see why we have a problem with people making, according to their own comments, permanent changes to certain aspects of a character's mythos -- when those in question have a hard time keeping track of whether May Parker is Peter's Aunt or his Mother; better yet, when they want to retcon his Aunt into being his Mother?

You know what your problem is Marvel? What makes you different than the caretakers of the legacies of other literary works and tomes throughout the ages? It's that there is no respect in your halls for the work that established the characters you control and the offices you control them from -- or the spirit of what thoses works hoped to convey. Who's asking you to hold by every statement written in every issue that ever existed? I haven't seen such a person anywhere. It's when you trod on the spirit, premise and context of Spider-Man's stories, for example, that you make yourself appear to be self righteous opportunists who are more interested in writing your John Hancock on the character than actually telling good, character driven stories.


Part Two: The Amazing Nobody

Peter Parker, a lonely but brilliant teen was bitten by an accidentally radiated spider at an exhibition he attended due to his love of science.
Except he wasn't. Peter Parker, a lonely teen with an uncanny potential to be a hunter in an age-old lineage of spider-men, was driven by fate to gain the mystical power transferred to him by an agent of the spider-god. Oops!

Peter Parker, young, rash, and in pursuit of fame, failed to act -- contributing to the death of his beloved uncle, birthing a guilt that fuels an ever-burning drive to protect the innocent and never let death claim another's life through inaction. Except he didn't.*** His uncle was always alive, watching from the shadows (probably sharing a cup o' joe with Judas Traveler and Scrier #616).
Oops!

Peter Parker's first true love was Gwen Stacy. A sweet, also brilliant student at his university, and ever her father's daughter. Anyone could see how in love they were and how devoted to each other, until tragedy claimed Gwen's life.
Except they weren't. Gwen, as much as she cared for Peter, couldn't resist the pull of a certain man's powerful green mojo. Oops!

Peter Parker dons a costume and becomes the most colorful, spectacular crimefighter ever. Struggling to make ends meet, Spider-Man
allows Peter to counter the schemes of nefarious foes while protecting his secret identity and allowing him to maintain some semblance of normal life.
But not for long.**

Peter Parker may reveal his identity to the masses in order to support his friend, boss and commander -- Iron Man. Having recently become Iron Man's ward, blood brother and part time accountant at Stark Industries, Peter Parker no longer needs a secret identity, as all his loved ones will soon be fitted with Iron Man armours and taught to travel the wondrous currents of time! Don't miss: Mary & May: Featuring the Temporal Tempests, hitting shelves in Jan. '07.

I could on with this but I'll spare us all. [Looking forward to the thanks.]
The bottomline is, you make the events of Amazing Fantasy #15 into
a fantasy themselves, and you've got the adventures of the Amazing Nobody.


Part Three: Corporate Hyprocrisy

"He's the same as always!"

We are consistently being fed the line that Peter Parker is the same as always. This from the people who killed Peter Parker, introduced mysticism into his storylines, gave him uncharacteristic powers, and feature him gliding around as his primary means of travel. The focal point of all these things being a crossover called: The Other. Psst.. Marvel, I might think something's different about Spidey if the head writer asks me if he's: "one or The Other,"
in a "life changing" arc with the same name. A friendly public service announcement from The White-Spider.

"Spider-Man is still driven by the same motivations!"
Mm-hmm. We'll see Mr. David, we'll see.

Stop unfairly labeling Gwen! Everyone makes mistakes!

This from the geniuses that titled the storyline: Sins Past.
Maybe that's not what they meant. What's this you say?
They followed it up with: Sins Remembered?
'Nuff said.

Spider-Man's Marriage, Baby, Wealth, Lack of Acne is ruining him,
and making him unrelatable!
And.. forcing him to bury a child, blowing up his wife, making him an Avenger, transforming him into a kid brother figure for other characters, and making him the Sensational Spider-Man.. of this generation... helps me identify with him much better. Thanks Marvel!

"Spider-Man's traditional readers are fixated on the past and can't accept growth or development!"
Ahem. Who keeps dreaming of taking Spidey back to his swingin',
motorcycle riding, leather jacket wearing days? Marvel hasn't accepted the growth and development Spider-Man has experienced the last 20 years. Are they in any position to complain about the fact that I don't like the direction the stories have taken for the last 10?

Part Four: If That's How You Feel, You're No Spider-Man Fan!

Like hell I'm not. I've watched Peter Parker cocoon himself and discard his humanity. Twice. And I came back. I've watched him backhand his pregnant wife and hunt her down in a murderous rage. And I came back. I've seen him declared a clone and become a flunky to a psychopath. And I came back. How long can you hate what you're paying to read before you realize that it's not worth the financial and emotional investment anymore? I'll soon know the answer, it seems.

Bring back Ben, Marvel, and I'm finished. No 616, no Ultimate, no nothing until you restore the mythology and decide to actually use it as the basis of your stories, for once.


* These are not actual excerpts from the materials cited. They are my feeble
attempts at being "cute."
** It has not been confirmed that Spider-Man will reveal his I.D. during Civil War, and only an arrogant bastich would wholeheartedly believe, without a doubt, that this is what Marvel plans to do. I am one such bastich.
*** Take the above, apply it to uncle Ben, and add "supremely" before arrogant.
Ooooo... your eloquence has me all tingly! :up:

I am STILL so TWEAKED about The Other (not to mention the damnable Sins duo) that your post really struck a cord. Dead on... I think you nailed them to the wall.

But, about FNSM... I actually have calmed down a bit. I don't think they are REALLY going for a long-term Uncle Ben ressurection. FNSM #5 was a downer, but besides regurgitating JMS' nonsense, PAD hasn't done anything too offensive...yet, so I'll TRY to read with an open mind.

It SOUNDS convoluted and depressing to me, but then, I thought Fried Green Tomatoes sounded dumb, and it was wonderful... so... it might be good... stranger things have happened.
 
Gotta say I’ll be surprised if Marvel actually go through w/ it and bring back Uncle Ben as a supporting character. So May remembers him as she walks down the street for a date w/ Jarvis, maybe it's just a tease w/ the preview for #8 onwards saying that a major character is coming back.
Maybe that major character is just Hobby huh?

I'm fairly certain I read an interview w/ Joe Q non too long ago and he said that bringing Ben back would never be done. So if it does happen I will be surprised and obviously disappointed.
Like I say I'm not counting on it yet.
 
It might be that Ben is brought back for a few issues by Hobby2211 and then following this these events will be undone.
 
CrimeMaster! said:
Hey, I was over at the Spider-Man Message forum and come across this.Spoilers from FNSM #7 .Heres the poster OZ's whole text I copyed.




Guys, I was just picking up the comics in my pull list yesterday(Which Always come in on Thursday in this town. SIGH) when i Approached the advance copy rack.
I thumbed through Next Week's issue of Friendly Neighborhood Spider-man #7. It Looks like a great issue with a nice battle. Everything I've come to expect from Peter David was there.
However I Was NOT Prepared for the final Pages!
I don't think Any Of us Are.
Aunt May is out on a Date with Edwin Jarvis when she sees...Uncle Ben watching her through a window! Ben Turns away sadly.
The Letters Page then makes it official. It Proclaims FNSM #8 as the Return of Uncle Ben! Apparantly the Future Hobgoblin from the year 2211 is attempting to erase all Spider-men from the timeline by eliminating Peter Parker's motivation for Becoming Spider-man. The Letters page promised that we would see what Happened if Uncle Ben had never died.
The Solicits for FNSm #8 and #9 have mentioned a Major Figure from the past returning(and I couldn't think of ANYONE Bigger) and the price Peter may have to pay to set things right.
Anyone In Shock Yet?

Sorry I'm late, guys....what did I miss...?

No.

They.


Didn't.


Okay... one more book to drop from my pull list. I'm gonna wait to see if it's true, and then I'm going to drop this book like a bad habit.

Two (616) Spidey books gone off my pull list....only one left.

As for the story itself, I wonder how Uncle Ben's gonna feel when he sees his nephew stabbing someone through the arms and eating their head?
 
Its a shame because so far Uncle Ben is the only comic book character to stay dead, now thats out the window.
 

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