From what franchise will Marvel TDK born?

[marcvader]

My Red Skull would not be a literal skull that's red nor do I want I guy that wears a mask. I picture someone more along the lines of Frank from Hellraiser minus the nose and ear cartilage and cheek muscles.

 

[Chris Wallace]

I am so tired of people proposing Marvel's Batman overture. Let the DC heroes have their moment in the sun & stop insinuating that they need to steal each other's thunder.

 

[roach]

My Red Skull would not be a literal skull that's red nor do I want I guy that wears a mask. I picture someone more along the lines of Frank from Hellraiser minus the nose and ear cartilage and cheek muscles.

I would do it as a mask. I would have The Red Skull be Hitler's Darth Vader. He is his enforcer and figure head. The Red Skull would be the Nazi's symbol. He leads the Nazi armies and totally demoralizes them. It is into this world that Cap is created. They give him the colorful costume as a counterbalance to the Red Skull.

 

[The Question]

Yeah but he's a talking red Skull.

Nolan's Batman was about his world being just to the left of ours. No permawhite skin.

Two-Face, as good as he looked, was still not very menacing because you could see the CG work, great work still.

I think we all need to get away from this looking at everything through TDK eyes. Batman's world is unique. As soon as you introduce superpowers, you are losing the edgy quality Nolan's Batman has.

It has nothing to do with edginess of realism. That's not why The Dark Knight was so great. The Dark Knight was good because it had great directing, great acting, a great script, and most importantly, they treated it like a serious crime epic, in the vein of Heat or The Departed. It just happened to have two characters in weird costumes.

With Captain America, the number of sci-fi elements doesn't matter. As long as they treat it seriously, that's what it will give it potential to be a great movie.

I would do it as a mask. I would have The Red Skull be Hitler's Darth Vader. He is his enforcer and figure head. The Red Skull would be the Nazi's symbol. He leads the Nazi armies and totally demoralizes them. It is into this world that Cap is created. They give him the colorful costume as a counterbalance to the Red Skull.

I wouldn't have The Red Skull leading the German armies. I'd see him more as a behind the scenes guy. He's Hitler's assassin. The boogie man that resistance groups and allied forces tell stories about to scare each other. The kind of guy who does it quietly but at the same time makes everyone know he was the one who did it. He should be an enforcer, but a very empowered one. He should be very cerebral, using his brains as much as guns, knives, or poisons.

 

[The Major]

Question:

RS can take care of himself in combat I just prefer him to be a leader. He's much more of threat that way IMO.

It would be great if the film version eventually used a Roger's cloned body.

Perhaps during the war he was an elite assassin only after it ended he started being a big bad?

 

[ObakeTora]

Punisher ftw. If you read any max books youll see how Nolan's style would translate perfectly to Frank Castle's dark world.

Black Panther

Moon Knight

Punisher

Punisher is the only one that has to be done in reality. But still in the Marvel Universe though.

Moon Knight would have to be done as a horror/action film.

I always believed BP movies would work a whole lot better if some film makers make them in a very serious dark tone like the new Batman films.

 

[Rishi]

Iron Man 2 if it tackles Demon in a Bottle

 

[DeGenerate10]

Marvel most likely can't compete with The Dark Knight. But if anyone it would be The Avengers movie. Maybe Capt. America.

 

[TheComicbookKid]

It has nothing to do with edginess of realism. That's not why The Dark Knight was so great. The Dark Knight was good because it had great directing, great acting, a great script, and most importantly, they treated it like a serious crime epic, in the vein of Heat or The Departed. It just happened to have two characters in weird costumes.

With Captain America, the number of sci-fi elements doesn't matter. As long as they treat it seriously, that's what it will give it potential to be a great movie.

Nothing? Really?

I have a hard time believing that Marvel is going to get away with a bloodless WWII Captain America if you take the characters as seriously as TDK. Hardboiled, grim, gritty is what people expected from Batman. I'm not sure the audience wants that from Cap. The shield should realistically kill people or injure them seriously.

The fact that there's even a discussion about removing Red Skull's skulliness is another factor in trying to move away from the comic roots into something else. And yes I'm reading the current Cap so I'm aware of how he's being handled.

 

[The Question]

Question:

RS can take care of himself in combat I just prefer him to be a leader. He's much more of threat that way IMO.

It would be great if the film version eventually used a Roger's cloned body.

Perhaps during the war he was an elite assassin only after it ended he started being a big bad?

I just always saw The Skull's role, in the war, as that of the highly intelligent thug. He does the wetworks stuff for the SS, but he's still a master planner who uses those skills in his work. He didn't become a full on mastermind in hiw own right until much, much later, when all of his bosses died.

Nothing? Really?

I have a hard time believing that Marvel is going to get away with a bloodless WWII Captain America if you take the characters as seriously as TDK. Hardboiled, grim, gritty is what people expected from Batman. I'm not sure the audience wants that from Cap. The shield should realistically kill people or injure them seriously.

Well, I do think that the fighting in the movie should he handled realistically. I always thought of Cap as being the type of person who hates killing but does it when he's in a situation that calls for it. In a war time situation, I don't see any problem with him hitting enemies away left and right and stopping to see how badly he hurt anyone afterwards. What I mean is, simply, that there would be no need to do things like remove the sci-fi/pulp fiction-y elements from the character to make it a great film. Because that kind of realism, I think, is not necessary to elevate the film to a TDK-like status.

The fact that there's even a discussion about removing Red Skull's skulliness is another factor in trying to move away from the comic roots into something else. And yes I'm reading the current Cap so I'm aware of how he's being handled.

I would simply have him wear a mask because that's what it was originally. He wore a mask when he killed people to hype up his image as the boogieman of the Reich.

 

[marcvader]

I understand the mask being part of Cap's comicbook lore. I just feel a mask of a Red Skull would look cheesy. You could never make a mask that would in the real world be made of rubber move right when he spoke let alone look like and have the dimensions of a skull on top of the wearers head. That skull would look abnormally big. I just think a man that had most of his flesh eaten away from his head and thus making it bloody red would be visually striking and much more scary and nightmarish.

 

[The Major]

Question:

I'd be fine with your idea then.

 

[Rich Santoro]

I like the idea of a gaunt skinless face for the Skull... similar to how Fiennes looked in the English Patient after being burned.

And I see Cap being a real WWII soldier to start... Running into battle with a side-arm. It is WWII... the largest war in the history of our planet. There is no way that he charges a pill-box or takes a hill by throwing a shield. He can change his tune in the modern era, disavowing firearms.

 

[WeaponXProject]

Out of all Marvel's movies I would say:
1. Captain America
2. X-Men's Origins: Wolverine (although it is Fox handling it)
3. The Punisher (If done correctly)
4. Cable (It's not a movie but if they did it...)
5. Deadpool

 

[TopherChaos3]

Exactly. People are missing the point of why TDK is so amazing; it's not cause it's ultra realistic, it's because it aspires to be a film more than just a popcorn flick.

Captain America could do just that. There's so many real issues that Captain America can touch on; Steve Rogers was born in 1922, the son of Irish immigrants. His father was an abusive drinker who died when he was a child, his mother died when he was a young adult. He grew up during the depression.

There's so many real substantial things in that story that could really resonate with people. It could be like Cinderella Man (one of the best movies I've seen about overcoming the great depression) meets Saving Private Ryan.

Then in the early 40s, as Captain America, Steve Rogers has to constantly balance being a human being and being a symbol. They could show the constant struggle of a young man who tries not to get lost in the costume, and tries to stand for what America is supposed to stand for even when the U.S. government won't.

Agreed.

 

[DBZ2cool]

Only three comic book franchises have potential to be TDK type

Daredevil, Captain America and Black Panther.

 

[Tigerking]

The best chance imo is if they reboot the Spider Man series and make them more based on the comics.

 

[The Major]

Only three comic book franchises have potential to be TDK type

Daredevil, Captain America and Black Panther.

Have you read Moon Knight? He's got plenty of stuff that would be potential TDK material.

 

[roach]

I dont think anyone at Marvel Studios is grinding their teeth over the fact that TDK is making loads of money....infact I think they are happy about it as it proves that the superhero movie is far from being done with.

 

[The_Mystery]

^I totally agree with you.

 

[rogue trooper]

I've stated this previously in the Punisher forums; I think PWZ has the potential to be a mini-Dark Knight. A smaller scale DK. Kinda' like what Sam Raimi's Darkman was to Tim Burton's Batman.

 

[The Question]

I understand the mask being part of Cap's comicbook lore. I just feel a mask of a Red Skull would look cheesy. You could never make a mask that would in the real world be made of rubber move right when he spoke let alone look like and have the dimensions of a skull on top of the wearers head. That skull would look abnormally big. I just think a man that had most of his flesh eaten away from his head and thus making it bloody red would be visually striking and much more scary and nightmarish.

Well, they could just design the mask differently. I was actually imagining that he would wear a red opera skull mask, maybe a wooden one. It would help to give the character the feel of a 30s/40s espionage movie villain. And, it would look pretty goddamn creepy when someone in an SS uniform and that mask sneaks up behind someone from the shadows and slits their throat.

 

[Rikxiepoo]

Iron Man 2 if it tackles Demon in a Bottle

I'm surprised this hasn't come up more. This is as good of a candidate to be "Marvel's TDK" since it deals with Stark drinking and the emotional and social effects that brings. Plus you can have the whole "balance struggle" between normal life and hero life and a lot of other things that can make this movie very dramatic, tragic and realistic, while still being a great action/superhero movie like TDK was.

 

[Spider-Vader]

I would do it as a mask. I would have The Red Skull be Hitler's Darth Vader. He is his enforcer and figure head. The Red Skull would be the Nazi's symbol. He leads the Nazi armies and totally demoralizes them. It is into this world that Cap is created. They give him the colorful costume as a counterbalance to the Red Skull.

That would be awesome.

 

[Bubonic]

I'd like something like this for the red skull