Frontline 7# Spoilers----Well THAT'S Interesting

[Anubis]

I doubt it's JJJ as well.

 

[Arach Knight]

It's not Jonah...that is an interesting choice of lines, because i'll kindly point out, that Marvel pretty much opted to take a huge piss all over characterization, to accomplish this story. It doesn't have to be explained, to understand that I refering to Spider-Man. Besides, I never said tht JJJ created the tech. Maybe he didn't even create the actual plan. But I could easily see him being the pawn in that seat, setting it into motion, by his hand and his money.

 

[Vanguard07]

Even the way he talked and behaved during the meeting didnt fit jonah though. Granted it could be Jonah if the writers decide to go completely crazy but it'd make about as much sense for it to be Bruce Banner.

 

[3dman27]

Even the way he talked and behaved during the meeting didnt fit jonah though. Granted it could be Jonah if the writers decide to go completely crazy but it'd make about as much sense for it to be Bruce Banner.

but if hulk's in outerspace howon earth can dr. banner be on earth

 

[Vanguard07]

exactly my point.

 

[Arach Knight]

Even the way he talked and behaved during the meeting didnt fit jonah though. Granted it could be Jonah if the writers decide to go completely crazy but it'd make about as much sense for it to be Bruce Banner.

Actually...forgoing the Planet Hulk situation, that isn't a bad idea actually. He was mislead and sent into space by the American Government. He is formerly a super hero, and because everybody (both the characters and the audience) believe him to currently be in space, he could actually have returned and be laying out this plan. He would also have the motive for anger and revenge (something that Tony, Reed and Hank lack, are the revenge aspect). I don't like going the easy route, which is why I refuse to accept the more popuar choices. If Marvel went with Reed, Tony or Pym...i'd be severly disappointed.

 

[Vanguard07]

LoL so you'd rather believe that it's someone that everyone knows it isnt?

 

[Arach Knight]

We don't know who it is. I'd rather look at motive/modus operandi rather than something like opportunity. If they rely merely on the convention of "he's there and he can do it" that would be lame writing. A good story with a cliffhanger like this, should force us to put our cognitive reasoning to use...and examine all empirical facts, rather than the portion of the picture in front of our face. I have higher expectations out of the comic medium, than that. I refuse to debase it, and limit it to juvenile level mystery, where the obvious person is the dastardly fiend. If I wanted that, i'd go watch Scream. I instead hope that they utilize some small character that we don't think about, who has been introduced in this story, or who is related to this story (Planet Hulk is being tied in with Incredible Hulk #100, as a Civil War tie in story). I would pray that Marvel would have it's readers engage in some actual sleuth work, rather than playing a game of Blue's Clues or Wheres Waldo.

 

[silversurfur65]

I think its Victor Von Doom......he just has to get involved in this story some way !!

 

[Doc Destruction]

I'm just waiting to see the extent that Tony went in implanting "security measures" into the Iron-Spidey suit. It's gonna be bad.

Which by the way, should probably have made Pete's head explode from his spider-sense screaming at him.

But, I wouldn't want characterization to get in the way of storytelling, or anything.

 

[Colossal Spoons]

^190% true. I didn't even think that Petey's SS should be going crazy.

 

[BrianWilly]

Well, we don't know for sure if Tony built countermeasures in. He could have stopped at the spying, which probably isn't imminent enough of a danger to set off the SS. And even if he did build dangerous countermeasures in, who's to say that the spider-sense would even pick it up until it became an actual danger? I mean, we have to assume that JMS already forgot about the fact that he himself made the spider-sense more powerful than ever before.

 

[Kotagg]

Yeah, I mean, something's not a danger until it's a danger. It's not like Peter's **** goes off every time he crosses the street.

 

[Arach Knight]

Actually Spider-Man's spider sense is supposed to be sensitive enough that he can do several things

1)Tell when somebody is going to put another person in danger, besides himself.

2)Tell if a perosn is carrying a weapon, even if they are not going to use it.

3)Warn him of oncoming danger

4)Warn him when people have evil intentions, even when disguised

So he is essentially a living radar, lie detector and all of that good stuff. Or at least he used to be. This was back in like the 90's, when things made a bit more sense. I don't really know much about his poweres anymore. It was the longest time before I was told that his strength went from a ten ton upper limit to a fifteen ton upper limit. So how knows what has been forgotten/removed/neglected.

 

[Dread]

The J.J. theory is interesting, I'll give you that. It's certainly more out of left field than Reed or Fury at this point. But the biggest problem is that it undoes a great deal worth of stories with J.J. and would make him more irredeamable than he already is. Yes, he funded Spider-Slayers, created the Scorpian and some other baddies. But that was DECADES ago. Those decisions, especially Scorpian, have come back to haunt him many times. Plus, J.J. has always been an overly patriotic guy, y'know, your cliche of what a conservative is like. But, sort of like Louie DePalma, he had JUST enough redeeming qualities to him that you didn't just despise reading him after a while. Like, he wasn't an anti-mutant bigot because that's Un-American (or at least he used to be). And considering that Osborn only tried to blow up the Bugle some time ago, I doubt JJ would have much love for him.

But it is possible, if only because it would complete Millar's anti-conservative fantasy.

Him suing Peter Parker? That fits him. Him basically letting loose a serial killer, after all the grief from Scoprian? A step backwards. But an interesting theory.

Still think it's either Reed or Fury.

As for BrianWilly's statement about not liking that kind of "rug-pulling"? Me too, usually. But that's what Marvel likes to do now; they feel they are in competition with fans and have to "beat" them with tricks and such. It's not about a story. It's about getting a reaction or decieving them for as long as possible.

 

[stillanerd]

Like I said before, one of the reasons I think it's Nick Fury is because if S.H.I.E.L.D. under Maria Hill's leadership is called into question, especially if things like villains that they hired are going rampant, Atlantis invades and the result ends up creating another massacre along the line of the Riverbank Massacre--which Registration was supposed to prevent--then the one guy the government will turn to, especially since things were more "manageable" under his leadership, is Fury, who of course may have arranged it that way. Well, according to the solicit for She-Hulk #15 and Joe Q at the recent NewJoe'sFriday's, there's going to be a new S.H.I.E.L.D. director replacing Maria Hill after Civil War. Gee, I wonder who that can be?

 

[3dman27]

I think its Victor Von Doom......he just has to get involved in this story some way !!

now THAT would be interesting

 

[BrianWilly]

This was back in like the 90's, when things made a bit more sense.

Never thought that this could ever be true.

 

[BrianWilly]

Like I said before, one of the reasons I think it's Nick Fury is because if S.H.I.E.L.D. under Maria Hill's leadership is called into question, especially if things like villains that they hired are going rampant, Atlantis invades and the result ends up creating another massacre along the line of the Riverbank Massacre--which Registration was supposed to prevent--then the one guy the government will turn to, especially since things were more "manageable" under his leadership, is Fury, who of course may have arranged it that way. Well, according to the solicit for She-Hulk #15 and Joe Q at the recent NewJoe'sFriday's, there's going to be a new S.H.I.E.L.D. director replacing Maria Hill after Civil War. Gee, I wonder who that can be?

I dunno...intentionally causing problems in order to make something work out for yourself, for me, crosses the line from manipulating things for the greater good into outright villainy. He's going to show that Maria Hill's leadership is problematic by...making problems for Maria Hill's leadership?? That sounds to me like Max Lord's rationale: "I will mind-control Superman in order to prove that Superman can be mind-controlled!" I don't know much about Nick Fury, but everything that I know about him seems to suggest that he doesn't roll that way. Maybe Ultimate Nick Fury, but we have enough problems as it is right now with 616 characters acting too much like their Ultimate counterparts.

 

[3dman27]

marvels trying to make them as ultimate as possible remember

 

[Kotagg]

You're an idiot.

 

[Arach Knight]

Wow...that was completly out of left field. Anyways, I find it believable that Nick Fury would cause problems for Maria Hill's term as S.H.I.E.L.D. director. This may be one of those "all is fair in love and war" scenarios.

 

[BrianWilly]

That would make him a power-hungry, ruthless, selfish dick, not a patriot with legitimate concerns about the state of his organization. You can't claim that an organization has problems when you're the one causing the problem that you're complaining about in the first place! Obviously Fury is hardly to blame for all of the s**t that SHIELD's going through right now, but for him to add to that s**t and then say "HAHA! You see? You do need me!" is just a level of self-serving twistedness that goes beyond simply doing whatever it takes for the greater good or having the ends justify the means or whatever. I just don't see Nick Fury going off his rocker like that.

 

[Sloth7d]

Okay, I just read Frontline#7 yesterday, and I gotta say... I think it's either Reed or Pym, I'm more leaning to it being Reed though because how it looked like the arm stretched down the table. Yes, the dialogue is severly out of character on his part, but with resent happenings like his wife leaving him, Ben leaving the country, and Johnny even abandoning him, plus he's left with the kids "who he hasn't any time to look after" with all the work he's become indulged in....
Lets just say "All work and no play make Reed Richards something something"

 

[Sloth7d]

speaking of the nanos could tony have dosed peter with them after the battle that almost killed him maybe THATS why spider mj&may are out of character thier food was dosed with them as well to make them con pete into unmasking

No. He's out of character because he came back "more spider than man."
Heed, the spider-gods word ye mortals.