Frontline 7# Spoilers----Well THAT'S Interesting

[cerealkiller182]

Could it be Hawkeye or someone else whose possibly dead? That could be why nobody expects it.

I think reed is the best answer though. He is both seeking revenge and trying to pull the Registration Act apart since he lost Sue and Johnny. The dialogue is pretty intelligent and he is probably a character I least expect to turn on anyone. I'm not a big Fantastic four reader but what I've read he always seemed like a pretty docile, level-headed guy.

 

[BrianWilly]

I'm thinking Nick Fury, too; his presence has been felt but not seen throughout Frontline, and it's more or less about time for his grand entrance. But if it was Nick Fury, would it really count as a betrayal? He's already lending out secret hideouts to the anti-regs, something that Tony and Maria and the others are well-aware of as far as I know.

I suppose you might say that he could be be betraying the anti-regs by letting a villain loose and free of Stark's control. But then, you'd have to consider the motives he cited: anger, ambition, lack of patience, revenge, control? That doesn't sound like Nick Fury.

 

[3dman27]

then WHO?

 

[BrianWilly]

I suppose he could have been just lying or bluffing with the motives. But red herrings in comic books have never really sat well with me unless they're presented really well. Like if a plot outright announces one thing ("This is how the characters feel") in one issue and then completely contradicts the sentiment in the next ("HAHA! Got ya there! This actually isn't how the characters feel!!"), I just roll the frak out of my eyes (Like so "!"). And I'm not talking about plot twists, I'm talking about being intentionally led down one road, without any reason to believe otherwise, and then randomly having the rug pulled out from under me. That's like a copout, really; like a writer's latter writing being unable to sustain their former.

 

[Vanguard07]

No I'd completely buy it if it were Nick Fury. He's just the kind of dirty old warhorse who pulls this manipulative underhanded kind of tactic. He uses everything and everyone to win the war.
And he's anti-reg and this'd be a blow for the pro-reg side so it makes sense.
As for the motives.... Lack of patience? he HAS been out of sight for a long time.
Anger? Revenge? He was kicked out of shield and he's basically a fugitive despite a lifetime of serving his country. That might make a man pretty peeved. Control? Sure... thats Fury all over.

The only one that sticks out to me is Ambition.

For the record though I just wanna say that I honestly thought it was just some Damage Control exec at first. I highly doubt it's Cap.
My thoughts are either Fury as choice number 1
or for some reason I suspect Tony.
The thing is, I think if it's Tony it's a trick. Like it's Tony in disguise as Cap or something. LOL sounds stupid but it was the first thing I thought of.

 

[DBM]

Silly people.

It's Ned Leeds.

 

[Vanguard07]

LoL dont forget Foggy Nelson

 

[deemar325]

I kinda think it's Hank Pym. Just a gut feeling.

 

[Vanguard07]

I'd buy that. I'll trust your gut Deemar. It's never led me wrong before.

 

[Anubis]

My moneys on Reed. He's certainly got the brains, and the opportunity. However, I think his motives aren't as sinister as they would have us believe.

And I don't know if anybody has mentioned this yet, cuz i'm not about to go through 5 pages to find out, but whoever said that it was Cap is insane. I mean, first of all, as a wanted fugitive, how the hell, is he gonna get anybody out of prison? Since when could he make with the Super Science? He doesn't even have anybody in his camp that could come up with such a thing. I mean, God, a blue costume under an overcoat and it's freakin' Cap? Are you high?

Sorry. I understand that this reaction is probably very delayed, but I read the first post and it just demanded a response. Cap, pfft.

 

[Cyclops]

Uhhh...

THE BLUE COSTUME underneath his trenchcoat is a bit of a give away. Reed isn't built like a wrestler. That and I think its Steve's face.

However, just for the sake of argument....how would you react if it is Steve?

To play Devil's advocate here, Reed can be built however he wants to.

 

[Zenien]

The lines reguarding his ambitions and "No one will suspect it, not one at all" (With sinister smile) just isn't Reed. It seemed like Reed but those two things just sort of kill it being him in my mind.

 

[Arach Knight]

We all know better than this. Everybody is looking for the obvious person, with the obvious motive, that can be made to fit this scenario. Forget players we've seen the direct consequences of. No Peter, Richard, Tony, Nick or Hank. All too easy. My money, is on JJJ. He has the money and affluence, to gain access to the technology, being used on Norman. JJJ has hired super powered beings on either side of the law, in the past, to suit his needs, on what he perceives to be "good." I say JJJ snapped when Spidey joined the pro side. So now he is undermining it. It would explain why he reacted the way he did to Ben Ulrich, when Ben told him that he was attacked by the goblin.

 

[UK_Stu]

I think its Reed. This comes after reading the the latest ASM. I think Spidey's parting words to Reed really struck him. Just look at the way Reed is drawn in that final panel in shadow. Reed has the access/authority to get to Osborn, has the science know how to get around the nanos and wants to prove something to Tony.

 

[AndThePickles]

My only problem with it being Reed is, is Reed really someone that Osborn hates a LOT?

 

[3dman27]

I think its Reed. This comes after reading the the latest ASM. I think Spidey's parting words to Reed really struck him. Just look at the way Reed is drawn in that final panel in shadow. Reed has the access/authority to get to Osborn, has the science know how to get around the nanos and wants to prove something to Tony.

speaking of the nanos could tony have dosed peter with them after the battle that almost killed him maybe THATS why spider mj&may are out of character thier food was dosed with them as well to make them con pete into unmasking

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Well, we know Tony gave MJ some nano-lovin' to heal that broken wrist. Right? Or was that some kind of high-tech bandage...? I could've sworn nanotech was involved somehow.

My only problem with it being Reed is, is Reed really someone that Osborn hates a LOT?

Given that Reed and Tony are probably the ones who came up with the nanotechnology that was keeping him in line, I would think so.

 

[Colossal Spoons]

speaking of the nanos could tony have dosed peter with them after the battle that almost killed him maybe THATS why spider mj&may are out of character thier food was dosed with them as well to make them con pete into unmasking

Um, I believe the Iron-Spidey suit has been pumping Peter full of nanos since ASM #529

 

[3dman27]

Um, I believe the Iron-Spidey suit has been pumping Peter full of nanos since ASM #529

at this point CS i'm inclined to agree the nonotech from pete and mj's injuriesaunt mays food being ;"spiced"if you will no wondrr they're genuflecting to tony like i said in another thread he's turning into a soapopera villian on OVERDRIVE

 

[cerealkiller182]

We all know better than this. Everybody is looking for the obvious person, with the obvious motive, that can be made to fit this scenario. Forget players we've seen the direct consequences of. No Peter, Richard, Tony, Nick or Hank. All too easy. My money, is on JJJ. He has the money and affluence, to gain access to the technology, being used on Norman. JJJ has hired super powered beings on either side of the law, in the past, to suit his needs, on what he perceives to be "good." I say JJJ snapped when Spidey joined the pro side. So now he is undermining it. It would explain why he reacted the way he did to Ben Ulrich, when Ben told him that he was attacked by the goblin.

I like this theory.

Is it safe to say that this might be the same person in the ski mask in Civil War. Like hes going to play both sides

 

[Arach Knight]

I see it being JJJ, beacuse he vehmently hates Spider-Man. Just like Norman does. And he feels twice as betrayed, because Spider-Man is in fact Peter. And to some degree, he was sort of one of the father figures in Peter's life, in the absence of Ben Parker. So he probably feels a personal hurt. It almost spits in the face of his very credibility, because for a decade, his paper has been deveoted to the public social flogging, of Spider-Man's image. Even when other people began to truly feel that Spider-Man was a hero, JJJ kept up the idea tha Spider-Man was a public menace. Then to finally have him unmask himself for public acceptance, as well as join the side of the pro-registers....that just undermined everything the Bugle had left. The Bugle demonized Spidey for ages, and yet, here is a Spider-Man taking the public side and making nice with society. JJJ has every means and motive. I think the give away, is the fact that Norman says "you have no reason to betray the people you have spent years protecting." And in JJJ's eyes, he was protecting the city from the "menace" of Spider-Man. Who else would want revenge. That's the key word. Tony is already being made a *****e publicly. There is no reason to hide it. He has no revenge to get. Reed Richards is responsible for his own poor position...there is no revenge when your problems are that self derived (ignoring his family is all on him). Other than beating Janet, nothing comes to mind for Hank to get revenge on. But to undermine the pro register side, and not be expected, and to want revenge. That could only be JJJ.

 

[Vanguard07]

I highly doubt JJ's got either the means to pull it off or the brains to come up with the plan.
He's also quite the coward. I doubt he'd have the stones to even approach Osborn.

I'm willing to put money on it not being JJJ.

 

[Colossal Spoons]

at this point CS i'm inclined to agree the nonotech from pete and mj's injuriesaunt mays food being ;"spiced"if you will no wondrr they're genuflecting to tony like i said in another thread he's turning into a soapopera villian on OVERDRIVE

I'm just waiting to see the extent that Tony went in implanting "security measures" into the Iron-Spidey suit. It's gonna be bad.

 

[Arach Knight]

I highly doubt JJ's got either the means to pull it off or the brains to come up with the plan.
He's also quite the coward. I doubt he'd have the stones to even approach Osborn.

I'm willing to put money on it not being JJJ.

JJJ has money. The Bugle may not be the power house influence of the 616 that it used to be, but JJJ is still packing cash and influence and more importantly he is an affluent member of society. His press background combined with his financial standing, affords him social mobility, much like monetary standing gave the Kingpin more access to things. Also, JJJ has paid numerous super beings (both good and evil) to hunt down Spider-Man. He also completly funded the creation of The Scorpion. You don't think he has access or the means or the money? Then I just say you don't read enough Spider-Man to actually know what JJJ can do. Cowardice has little to do with a man who is losing respect and credibility. You know what they say about folks with noting to lose...you never want to fight them...because they have nothing to lose. Besides, the only other person who hates Spider-Man more than JJJ, is Norman Osborn. The scenario is more than plausible.

 

[Vanguard07]

I disagree. It takes more than cash and a big name to come up with the kind of science to take apart Tony Stark's tech and it takes more than Jonah's got to influence government officials into letting someone out of prison. He doesnt have the political power and it was too short notice after Spiderman's unmasking (which is what you're saying broke him) to amass it.

And yes i'm aware that JJJ funded Scorpion's creation as well as several other villains and characters but think about how they happened.
When Jonah ends up doing something like that it's cause some scientist noticed that he hated Spiderman and dropped a deal in his lap. Jonah's never had the mind for planning something like that he just bites at the bait unfunded scientists offer him. Jonah simply isnt bright enough to come up with a plan like this and even if he was it would cost him too much and there would be no benefit.

I'm not underestimating Jonah, I'm just being observant to his history and character. The timeline and the actions dont make any sense for him.
It's not Jonah.