G.I. Joe Not Really G.I. Joe

[livrule]

If this guy thinks Snake Eye would be the hardest to bring to life in a live action movie. Then he simply isn't meant to direct this film at all.

Mmmmmm, have to agree.

Snake-eyes to central to the modern Joe universe ...

A top soldier with a history of martial arts training who is badly injured in combat and wears a mask to hide his scarred face ... easy.

I get the horrible feeling that they want to be as realistic as possible with this and if thats the case then whats the point?

Develop the characters we all know and love and create a fantasy/action movie which captures the spirit of the 80s comics.

I just don't understand Hollywood at the moment .... it seems like they go out of their way to NOT give the fans what they want.

 

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

If this guy thinks Snake Eye would be the hardest to bring to life in a live action movie. Then he simply isn't meant to direct this film at all.

Mmmm.

Trust me on this one, without the mind-numbing drama and all the annoying ninja mythos thrown in the flick, fanboys will whine about Snake-Eyes not being Snake-Eyes and OMG, there wasn't a 12-minutes long fight with Storm Shadow!!!!

He's just one of those characters that just needs way too much character development for one flick.

Not to mention that most of said character development has to do with f****n ninjas and their blood feuds. Which, you know, kinda qualifies as really really cheesy. t:

And I kinda got the vibe the producer didn't want to go down that road. t:

 

[the_ultimate_evil]

one problem with gi joe i see is the same as a live action he-man, there are just to many main characters, each with there own fans, your going to have to cut some out and you've already pissed people off before you start

 

[blind_fury]

LOTR and Harry Potter has plenty of characters too so that's no excuse.

 

[daywalker2007]

they should simply do a movie where GI joe starts off pro bush,
by the end he turns anti bush and joins the war protest movement

 

[jrpstarwars]

If this guy thinks Snake Eye would be the hardest to bring to life in a live action movie. Then he simply isn't meant to direct this film at all.

Does he realize Snake Eyes is to GI Joe what Wolverine is to X-Men???

 

[jrpstarwars]

Mmmm.

Trust me on this one, without the mind-numbing drama and all the annoying ninja mythos thrown in the flick, fanboys will whine about Snake-Eyes not being Snake-Eyes and OMG, there wasn't a 12-minutes long fight with Storm Shadow!!!!

He's just one of those characters that just needs way too much character development for one flick.

Not to mention that most of said character development has to do with f****n ninjas and their blood feuds. Which, you know, kinda qualifies as really really cheesy. t:

And I kinda got the vibe the producer didn't want to go down that road. t:

That's why they need to use my idea of multiple movies with one flick primarily dedicated to Snake Eyes and a 12 minute fight with Storm Shadow.

 

[jrpstarwars]

they should simply do a movie where GI joe starts off pro bush,
by the end he turns anti bush and joins the war protest movement

So you want GI Joe to turn into a pot smoking hippie?

 

[Hypestyle]

I still want Cobra to be an organization, and not just one guy.. they should all have uniforms, though they don't have to imitate the toys.. There still should be a Cobra Commander (even if they have to give him a real name) and a Destro..

 

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Does he realize Snake Eyes is to GI Joe what Wolverine is to X-Men???

And look how that turned out.

Guy chews scenery like crazy and yet they can't give him one f****n good fight in three flicks. Or an actual personality that isn't leeched off from other characters.

Huh huh.

 

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

That's why they need to use my idea of multiple movies with one flick primarily dedicated to Snake Eyes and a 12 minute fight with Storm Shadow.

Still, devoting the FIRST one to Snakes would be a baaaaad idea.

 

[WarBlade]

why even bother?

Exactly! Anyone thinking of trying to market a Captain America or GI Joe movie within the next ten years is taking an incredible financial risk in today's political climate. You'd have to be very brave to even try.

I don't buy this at all. GI Joe is popular world-wide.

By who's reckoning? As a child growing up in the 80's I knew two people who had an interest in GI Joe. They were both American.

If anything, I think a film like GI Joe may help the US image over sea's .

How exactly?

Does he realize Snake Eyes is to GI Joe what Wolverine is to X-Men???

He probably realizes that Snake Eyes is to GI Joe what Kroenen is to Hellboy or Boba Fett is to Empire Strikes Back. He'll look really cool standing in the background. He'll look even cooler in an action scene. Take away those and the rest of the character is transmitted to the audience by little more than body language. That is the problem.

 

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

He probably realizes that Snake Eyes is to GI Joe what Kroenen is to Hellboy or Boba Fett is to Empire Strikes Back. He'll look really cool standing in the background. He'll look even cooler in an action scene. Take away those and the rest of the character is transmitted to the audience by little more than body language. That is the problem.

And.... we have a winner, ladies and gents. t:

How people can fail to see the problem with translating Snakes to the big screen in one single movie is beyond me.

 

[KenK]

If this guy thinks Snake Eye would be the hardest to bring to life in a live action movie. Then he simply isn't meant to direct this film at all.

Somebody call Michael Dudikoff!!*


*For those who may not know, Michael Dudikoff was something of a poor man's Chuck Norris back in the 80s, best known for the American Ninja movies, where his character was a U.S. Army officer who had been trained by a ninja master.

 

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Somebody call Michael Dudikoff!!*


*For those who may not know, Michael Dudikoff was something of a poor man's Chuck Norris back in the 80s, best known for the American Ninja movies, where his character was a U.S. Army officer who had been trained by a ninja master.

Yeah, but the thing is...

American Ninja flicks were laughingly bad. t:

Funny as hell to watch if in the proper state of mind, but still laughinly baaaaadd. t:

 

[jrpstarwars]

Still, devoting the FIRST one to Snakes would be a baaaaad idea.

Right, thats why thet need at least 6 movies with the Snakes story and GI Joe story climaxing simultaneously in part 3 or 4. t:

 

[livrule]

And look how that turned out.

Guy chews scenery like crazy and yet they can't give him one f****n good fight in three flicks. Or an actual personality that isn't leeched off from other characters.

Huh huh.

I think in general movie Wolverine turned out just fine ....

Yes, they made him the focus in all three but thats nothing new ... Wolverine has been the 'star' of the X-men comics for years. He is the most popular character so they pushed him out front ... it makes sense.

His fight with Deathstrike was well done as was the battle with the troops that invade the mansion.

Snake-eyes does not need a heavy back-story ... make sure that viewers know he has a history of martial arts training and briefly explain why he has to wear a mask and job done.

 

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

I think in general movie Wolverine turned out just fine ....

Of course he turned out "fine". He just didn't turn out Wolverine. All he had that didn't end up being butchered was the claws and name, really.

Snake-eyes does not need a heavy back-story ... make sure that viewers know he has a history of martial arts training and briefly explain why he has to wear a mask and job done.

We were arguing about how difficult it would be to translate Snake as a main character.

Of course it would be easy to portray him if one has the intention of having him be a supporting character.

 

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

one problem with gi joe i see is the same as a live action he-man, there are just to many main characters, each with there own fans, your going to have to cut some out and you've already pissed people off before you start

Better just cut them off than butcher them.

 

[livrule]

Of course he turned out "fine". He just didn't turn out Wolverine. All he had that didn't end up being butchered was the claws and name, really.



We were arguing about how difficult it would be to translate Snake as a main character.

Of course it would be easy to portray him if one has the intention of having him be a supporting character.

A genuine Wolverine is simply not possible .... Singer made the correct choice by giving him a realistic size and a slightly less intense attitude. The comics have had years to build the character .... The movies had minutes.

Snake-eyes would never be the main player ... A producer/director would be insane to build the entire movie around a mute/masked soldier. As an important part of a solid cast his look and character would shine .... If the movie did well his past could be revealed slightly more in sequels.

 

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

A genuine Wolverine is simply not possible .... Singer made the correct choice by giving him a realistic size and a slightly less intense attitude. The comics have had years to build the character .... The movies had minutes.

Let's agree to disagree on this one. t:

Snake-eyes would never be the main player ... A producer/director would be insane to build the entire movie around a mute/masked soldier. As an important part of a solid cast his look and character would shine .... If the movie did well his past could be revealed slightly more in sequels.

Ah. Kinda thought you were advocating for him to chew scenery a la Wolverine. Oh well.

 

[jrpstarwars]

A genuine Wolverine is simply not possible .... Singer made the correct choice by giving him a realistic size and a slightly less intense attitude. The comics have had years to build the character .... The movies had minutes.

Snake-eyes would never be the main player ... A producer/director would be insane to build the entire movie around a mute/masked soldier. As an important part of a solid cast his look and character would shine .... If the movie did well his past could be revealed slightly more in sequels.

Why not build the entire movie around a masked mute??? I want this movie to be good and stand out not just because of names involved. In order to do that they are going to have to do something new and original. Why not build the movie around the masked mute??? People were making silent movies 80 years ago, I am sure they could center a movie on a silent masked character. If not, then they need to go back to film school and learn how to do something new and original and get back to the roots of moviemaking.

 

[the_ultimate_evil]

Better just cut them off than butcher them.

that was my point, with a cast as large as gi joe, you couldnt get everyone the fans want, i mean (not a major fan) there is what, over 30 characters on each team with around 12 being the core cast, there is no way you could develop everyone evenly. you try and inculde everyone and a lot will end up as simple cameos

before anyone throws up LOTR etc again, there is no way things like gi joe, he-man, transformers etc will get the same depth or length. now i'm not saying they dont deserve it, they definatly do, but its not going to happen. studios will shoot for a single summer blockbuster and then think franchise. same thing that happened with comic book films

 

[Timstuff]

With the cartoon, it was easy enough to sell to the rest of the world, because they just changed the name to "Action force" and dubbed over any references to the US or GI Joe. But with a movie, it's not so simple. I have a feeling that whatever they do for a GI Joe movie, they're going to have to bank on it being a big hit in the US, because I can't see the rest of the world getting to excited over a gung-ho military movie, unless they want to get rid of everything that made GI Joe what it is.

The concept is pretty much an elseworlds version of the US miilitary and terrorist just like Pirates of the Carribean isn't based in reality. If you made a surreal, tounge-in-cheek "War on Terror" movie with ninjas and cross bows worldwide audiences would go nuts for it. Just keep the characters the same, make it like Big Trouble in Little China mixed with The Rock, and get a director with a wild imagination.

I agree, this would be a very good way to make a loud, fun GI Joe movie that stays true to the spirit of the original, without totally alienating the rest of the world. GI Joe doesn't have to offer some kind of rivetting commentary about the war on terror, it just needs to be fun and have a decent story. As someone who is pro military, I would not have a problem with GI Joe being more of an exaggerated alternate universe, because that's what the show was.

 

[GhostPoet]

Let's get Bay on this!