Justice League Gal Gadot IS Wonder Woman - Part 1

[Wanda Detroit]

And this was not Snyder vs Jenkins, but it was Snyder's decision as the writer and producer.
He so much involved in WW and we can say that WW was another Snyder's masterpiece as writer-producer.

All of this is a glorious and delusional, fanboy lie. He very little involvement in WW. Patty Jenkins confirmed this in a Reddit Q/A. He was literally making JL while WW was being made. Look it up. He cast Gal and pitched a few ideas here and there. That's it.

WW movie was first written by several people, then by cleaned up by Jason Fuchs, then his scripts was again cleaned up by Allan Heinberg with Patty Jenkins and Geoff Johns uncredited punching up the story. Zack Snyder didn't write WW. So no, he doesn't get credit for having "another" masterpiece.

 

[C. Lee]

u think wonder woman is a masterpiece?

Compared to the other movies Snyder has been involved with....yeah.

 

[kingcharmingman]

Lol, I hope my post wouldn't create any other debate.
It's just my personal opinion and thought, I won't debate them.

 

[Lantern Venom]

So when Snyder, Patty and other writers decided to shot WW movie, they have some discussion, sharing thoughts and they together, yes together decided to creatively set up a bit different interpretation to Diana's line in BvS.
It was not a big change, it's just another interpretation.
So what Diana said in BvS was to be interpreted as one shown in WW movie, not another way around.

When people watch BvS, they could (and maybe what initially on Snyder's thought) interpret that Diana was disappointed, cold, cynical to mankind and chose to hide, not wanting to fight for mankind anymore.

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That's certainly how I processed it. Everything about Diana was off until she begrudgingly came to help Bats in the end. I had written Wonder Woman off after BvS because I thought she was going to be continually portrayed as a self-involved, aloof temptress. Her solo film was a long way from perfect, but at least it let us know that there was still a likable hero under the weird exterior that BvS projected.

 

[Bwahaha!]

It really seems like it is. Sigh.



Except for the part where she fought Doomsday, right? Snyder wanted to suggest Diana didn't care about protecting humanity, so he had her debut as Wonder Woman (musical queue, costume, the works) while declaring a history of fighting monsters from other worlds. Oh, wait...



Well, since Diana defines "walking away" simply as not "standing together" with mankind, then it seems Snyder's and Jenkins' visions coexist just fine.



That's great, but um, how would this be different than what Diana did in BvS when she fought Doomsday? You know, the film Snyder presented a vision of Diana as someone who abandoned mankind.

Diana’s purpose in the beginning of BvS was to get back the photograph that proved her existence as a magically non-aging woman. It’s clear she didn’t want to be found. Because she had walked away from mankind, just as she stated in the funeral scene with Bruce. It was also very clear on the airplane that she was considering whether to suit up and fight Doomsday or stay on the flight. Why? Because she had decided not to be a superhero and help mankind.

I don’t understand why anyone is trying to spin this. We know what WW said in dialogue in BvS and we know what Gal stared very recently that it was a bad creative decision that they are now correcting in the WW franchise.

It’s just amazing watching a few fans contort themselves into every conceivable position to force a square peg into a round hole. The irony is I loved the idea of her walking away from mankind. But I’m not clinging to something that has been obviously retconned.

 

[misslane38]

Diana’s purpose in the beginning of BvS was to get back the photograph that proved her existence as a magically non-aging woman. It’s clear she didn’t want to be found.

Yeah, I'm not debating that. A lot of superheroes don't want to be exposed. Clark didn't want Lois to expose him in MoS, and he was clearly a hero at that time. He just wasn't a hero who had chosen to stand proud in front of the human race yet.

Because she had walked away from mankind, just as she stated in the funeral scene with Bruce.

Walking away has nothing to do with her engagement in heroic deeds. We know that because Diana's statement to Bruce comes after she has jumped into defeat Doomsday. Among the first words we hear her speak as Wonder Woman was that she had killed things from "other worlds" before. Ares was not from another world. He came from the same place she did.

It was also very clear on the airplane that she was considering whether to suit up and fight Doomsday or stay on the flight. Why? Because she had decided not to be a superhero and help mankind.

That's not clear at all. You just said Diana was concerned about being exposed; her reluctance could have been tied to that concern. It could have been tied to her only wanting to engage if her assistance was needed. She didn't know if Superman had it handled. We know nothing about how Diana made decisions about when to intervene in crises.

I don’t understand why anyone is trying to spin this. We know what WW said in dialogue in BvS and we know what Gal stared very recently that it was a bad creative decision that they are now correcting in the WW franchise.

I'm not spinning anything. I am simply asking, if the course correction Gadot claimed took place was evident in changes or corrections to the continuity between BvS and WW, then where is the concrete and indisputable proof that, for Diana, "walking away" meant "giving up" on humanity and engaging in zero acts of heroism for a century. How does this alleged retcon square with Diana fighting Doomsday? How does it square with her saying that she used to want to save the world until she realized only love could save the world. Love was a choice men had to make for themselves because darkness is something no hero can defeat. How does it square with her use of the present tense rather than the present perfect progressive tense in her statement in WW's epilogue. She talks about fighting and giving now; she doesn't talking about how she has been fighting and has been giving.

It’s just amazing watching a few fans contort themselves into every conceivable position to force a square peg into a round hole. The irony is I loved the idea of her walking away from mankind. But I’m not clinging to something that has been obviously retconned.

If it's so obvious, then it would be easy to prove. You have offered little evidence to support your argument other than your own spin and square pegs. Look, all I'm saying and have been trying to say is that if there is so much wiggle room for interpretation in these two films (BvS and WW), then any claims that Jenkins made a clear retcon and about face from BvS rings hollow. The language Gadot used doesn't quite fit. WW clarified BvS, in my opinion. It didn't change or correct it.

 

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[Wonder89]

 

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[fancyarcher]

u think wonder woman is a masterpiece?

I wouldn't call it a masterpiece, but it's pretty dang enjoyable. In fact rewatching this past weekend has made me anticipate Gadot's performance in Justice League more. I'm curious where they'll take the character, and I hope she has some awesome scenes, and her character is developed more, instead of just say merely making poses.

 

[TheRedWraith]

 

[Iceman]

I don't see WW as a masterpiece at all, just a good film but a great imagining of the Wonder Woman character and Gal Gadot fits perfectly.

 

[ArmsHeldOut]

 

[Gee]

Looks like she BTFO Steppenwolf in the final battle.

 

[TheRedWraith]

Possibly a Tag Team between her and Superman.

 

[jfurioso]

I don't see WW as a masterpiece at all, just a good film but a great imagining of the Wonder Woman character and Gal Gadot fits perfectly.

Even if one downplays it within the larger scope of movies, it is really a significant achievement in that for a very long time, it was generally doubted that the WW character could work at all in live action outside of the old low scale tongue in cheek camp-tincted tv approach which was not deemed of cinematic-worth. Even the animated movie was judged with some strangely ambivalent standards.
We have seen Batman work through different versions, yet WW seemed a chimera, and many may say that even the comics have been highly inconsistent in finding a long-term working approach. Rucka provided a compelling version of the character and her mileu, but thru rather turgid stories. Morrison had interesting stories but at the cost of dismantling a lot of what made her world distinctive. The Geoff WW in JLA was poorly sketched at best and irritatingly reductionist at worst.

That Jenkins and Gadot gave us an engaging portrayal that was at once, earnest, highly faithful to her roots, and incorporating most of the best aspects of her past versions and the larger amazon backstory, while ALSO being a good, enjoyable film on its own with a narrative that resonated in many levels with the audience... well, it is quite an achievement.

 

[Iceman]

Even if one downplays it within the larger scope of movies, it is really a significant achievement in that for a very long time, it was generally doubted that the WW character could work at all in live action outside of the old low scale tongue in cheek camp-tincted tv approach which was not deemed of cinematic-worth. Even the animated movie was judged with some strangely ambivalent standards.
We have seen Batman work through different versions, yet WW seemed a chimera, and many may say that even the comics have been highly inconsistent in finding a long-term working approach. Rucka provided a compelling version of the character and her mileu, but thru rather turgid stories. Morrison had interesting stories but at the cost of dismantling a lot of what made her world distinctive. The Geoff WW in JLA was poorly sketched at best and irritatingly reductionist at worst.

That Jenkins and Gadot gave us an engaging portrayal that was at once, earnest, highly faithful to her roots, and incorporating most of the best aspects of her past versions and the larger amazon backstory, while ALSO being a good, enjoyable film on its own with a narrative that resonated in many levels with the audience... well, it is quite an achievement.

It's a significant achievement in film for many reasons as you say. In my book that doesn't affect any claim to being a masterpiece though, just that considerable challenges were taken on and beaten along the way that other films may not have had to deal with. I'm a huge fan of WW btw, love mythic characters like her and Thor with exotic backgrounds and their own worlds.

And I always had faith that a good WW film could be made, in the same way as I thought good team films like X-Men, Avengers and JL could be made as well as that dark Batman films like the Nolan films could work well. These are things I've believed in and debated on since I was a kid. Finally getting proven right on most of them decades later.

 

[Iceman]

Possibly a Tag Team between her and Superman.

I hope so! Would love to see that.

 

[Blitzkrieg]

Grab Your Gang and DIY This Epic Wonder Woman Costume for Halloween https://www.brit.co/wonder-woman-halloween-costume/

 

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Little girl dressed as General Antiope:

 

[MydnightPhoenix]

That kind of looks cheap with bad effects.

 

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[vantheman77]

Superman, Batman, and Flash have versions in both film and TV. Think we might get a Wonder Woman for TV?

 

[Primal Slayer]

Superman, Batman, and Flash have versions in both film and TV. Think we might get a Wonder Woman for TV?

Not anytime soon. We can't even get a WW animated series. If they cant do that, trying tv again isn't on their radar.

 

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