Justice League Gal Gadot IS Wonder Woman - Part 1

[Willi Berg]

The information from a purported inside source in this thread is interesting:

https://www.resetera.com/threads/co...-on-infinite-forums.465/page-130#post-1089110

It sounds like a few scenes were shot using Gal Gadot’s body double due to her unavailability.

It also sounds like Diana was going to be somewhat more powerful - originally she would have pretty definitively ended the battle with Steppenwolf.

The male gaze issues seemed to be thanks to both Snyder and Whedon.

Wow what a ****show. A cut and paste hack job. No wonder it didn't feel authentic or organic.

Been waiting for Superman vs Wonder Woman since reading the JL Mortal Script where they throw each other to the Moon and back only to get this slap in the face 10 years later.

OK that was a bit dramatic. But still.

 

[DACrowe]

I liked how it looked, although it would have been better in blue. But, it was incredibly odd that it only appeared for a single scene and served no real purpose.

I mean costume changes and all that. I only remembered she was pregnant during reshoots afterward. Did not bother me in the moment, I just wished she had worn a cape more.

 

[BigThor]

There were quite a few shots of WW's butt.

 

[Mr. Fantastic]

There were quite a few shots of WW's butt.

Only if you squint

 

[BigThor]

Only if you squint

Lol straight up, I was like "Okay? There's not much there to be focusing on anyway."

Now that Black Widow butt shot from Avengers 1 when she's interrogating Loki.....good lawddddd.

 

[jmc]

The battle skirt really doesn't leave much to the imagination.

 

[Mr. Fantastic]

The battle skirt really doesn't leave much to the imagination.

It's just an inherent problem with WW that's always been there. She's supposed to be a female icon, a symbol of strength and independence for women. Yet she's always dressed to attract the male gaze. It honestly has always looked ridiculous to me seeing the trinity with Batman and Superman in their majestic suits and capes flowing....and WW in a bathing suit. I always get the feeling that some comic writer somewhere is mocking women with WW.

I can't think of one good reason that WW can't wear something like this

or this

In fact, I think WB made a major mistake in keeping WW in her bathing suit (basically). It's 2017, it was high time for a real update and progression. Alas, the designing fell in the hands of Zack Snyder, not particularly known for modesty and self-respect.

 

[titansupes]

There's nothing wrong with the WW suit.

 

[TheVileOne]

Doesn't sound like any of what was changed really massively changed anything or really hurt anything other than they added more humor and more of the heroes acting like well you know, HEROES. Something Snyder sorta sucks at.

 

[haephestus]

In fact, I think WB made a major mistake in keeping WW in her bathing suit (basically). It's 2017, it was high time for a real update and progression. Alas, the designing fell in the hands of Zack Snyder, not particularly known for modesty and self-respect.

I’m not a huge fan of the Odyssey costume, but I am hopeful for a new costume in the future. Once Diana embraces her role as a costumed superhero, then it would make sense for her to update her costume or even to wear multiple costumes. Diana is clearly a fashionista when it comes to her civilian clothing, so why wouldn’t she embrace new designs, etc when it comes to her “work” clothing.

If it’s a matter of durability, then I’m sure Batman could help her to source suitable materials from which to craft new costumes.

The male gaze doesn’t help matters. There were no ... provocative or exploitative shots of Diana in her solo film, whether in her Themysciran clothes or battle armour. It’s the directors who chose to frame scenes to show Gal Gadot’s buttocks. And they also would have had a hand in telling the costume designers what kind of figure hugging, cleavage bearing civilian clothes the character was to wear.

 

[TheVileOne]

It's just an inherent problem with WW that's always been there. She's supposed to be a female icon, a symbol of strength and independence for women. Yet she's always dressed to attract the male gaze. It honestly has always looked ridiculous to me seeing the trinity with Batman and Superman in their majestic suits and capes flowing....and WW in a bathing suit. I always get the feeling that some comic writer somewhere is mocking women with WW.

I can't think of one good reason that WW can't wear something like this

or this

In fact, I think WB made a major mistake in keeping WW in her bathing suit (basically). It's 2017, it was high time for a real update and progression. Alas, the designing fell in the hands of Zack Snyder, not particularly known for modesty and self-respect.

Those costumes might show less skin, but they are still tight and form fitting and accentuate her figure and body. It doesn't exactly eliminate the problem of the so-called male gaze.

Or people can accept the fact that Wonder Woman is a beautiful iconic hero and people find her attractive and maybe that's not a crime.

 

[super85]

WW movie costume looks great. No need for any changes

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

Given the supposed "controversy" from BvS what's the consensus about Diana [BLACKOUT]indeed leaving humanity to itself for 100 years due to trauma caused by the loss of Trevor? Because that's not at all inconsistent with her lines in BvS at all. [/BLACKOUT]

Also... [BLACKOUT]I don't believe at all that Diana was supposed to "end"
the fight by herself. Perhaps the most Zack Snyder moment in the film was the fight against Superman at the monument. It had his prints all over it.
Diana puts up a good fight and for sure isn't trying to kill Clark (her magic weapons would probably even the odds and could kill Supes) but it's obvious that in pure raw power that Superman outclasses even those with the blood of the old gods in them. So no... I don't think originally Diana practically takes out Steppenwolf. Sound frankly like whiny fanboysim at it's finest. [/BLACKOUT]

 

[DeadlyDiarrhea]

Not inexplicable reasons. That is what Superman looks like when he doesn't hold back at all.

Nope, not buying that, unless somehow Superman was also holding back against Doomsday, which is nonsensical. And for all the excuses for Superman's performance against Doomsday (i.e. it's at night without sunlight, he just took a nuke, blah blah), are you really telling me that someone who took a spike through the chest, got buried for however long it has been between BvS and JL (i.e. no additional sunlight exposure), suddenly emerge much stronger than WW who held against Doomsday much better than Superman?

I think all this can be chalked up to Snyder disregarding consistency and simply making characters however powerful the plot needs them at the moment, both in BvS and JL, which is annoying to say the least.

WW put up a pretty disappointing fight against Superman.

 

[Primal Slayer]

Spoiler

As soon as Supes headbutted Diana, she should've gone full throttle on him

 

[Wanda Detroit]

There was a chance for WW to go toe to toe with Superman and it was wasted. She can handle Superman. They are good match. That could have been a real moment for excitement. Whatever.

Where was Diana's lightning powers? They still won't have her fly properly. She ended Ares but struggles with weak sauce Steppenwolf? Who wrote this?

I enjoyed them movie, mostly for the team camaraderie, but the power sets and the action was unbalanced.

 

[DeadlyDiarrhea]

There was a chance for WW to go toe to toe with Superman and it was wasted. She can handle Superman. They are good match. That could have been a real moment for excitement. Whatever.

Where was Diana's lightning powers? They still won't have her fly properly. She ended Ares but struggles with weak sauce Steppenwolf? Who wrote this?

I enjoyed them movie, mostly for the team camaraderie, but the power sets and the action was unbalanced.

Like I said, I think the simplest explanation is Snyder making the characters arbitrarily powerful at the moment to maximize drama/visuals, consistency be damned.

But WW being a complete pushover for Superman is still disappointing and annoying to see.

 

[Iceman]

Gal was great in this again.

 

[BigThor]

There was a chance for WW to go toe to toe with Superman and it was wasted. She can handle Superman. They are good match. That could have been a real moment for excitement. Whatever.

Where was Diana's lightning powers? They still won't have her fly properly. She ended Ares but struggles with weak sauce Steppenwolf? Who wrote this?

I enjoyed them movie, mostly for the team camaraderie, but the power sets and the action was unbalanced.

WW does not have lightning powers, she's not Thor, Shazam, Electro or Static Shock.

She simply used her bracelets to redirect Ares lightning attack, lol why do I keep seeing people say this?

 

[KillerWolf]

Gal was great in this again.

Yups...

As for her [BLACKOUT]fight with Supes[/BLACKOUT] I think it was obvious she was holding back.

Though she was never fully on his level in the comics, but her training would usually make up for it...

 

[Wanda Detroit]

WW does not have lightning powers, she's not Thor, Shazam, Electro or Static Shock.

She simply used her bracelets to redirect Ares lightning attack, lol why do I keep seeing people say this?

Wonder Woman does have lightning powers in both WW and in the comics. She grabbed the lightning he threw and wrapped it around her bracelets and shot it at him. Her father is Zeus. Ares has the ability to control lightning like their father and so does she.

Did you happen to miss when she killed Ares by flying into the air, conducting a huge lightning bolt and killing him.

She doesn't need to be Thor to have lightning powers. Shazam and Black Adam aren't Thor either but they have too.

 

[Wanda Detroit]

Wonder Woman is a god in this universe.
Try watching this video starting at 1:17 to her it from the director herself
[YT]1ezMuYXUbYA[/YT]

 

[Primal Slayer]

WW does not have lightning powers, she's not Thor, Shazam, Electro or Static Shock.

She simply used her bracelets to redirect Ares lightning attack, lol why do I keep seeing people say this?

Lightning did appear when she did her bracelet/shield combo. But I don't think she has the ability to the extent any of the characters you mentioned do.

 

[sup101]

Wonder Woman is a god in this universe.
Try watching this video starting at 1:17 to her it from the director herself
[YT]1ezMuYXUbYA[/YT]

Basically, whatever she put her mind to she can do. At the end of wonder woman she created a shield seemingly from her mind that blocked everything ares was throwing at her.

 

[Flemm]

WW movie costume looks great. No need for any changes

There's also no reason why Wonder Woman shouldn't have more than one outfit.

I guess that might be why she suddenly has a different look for one scene in this movie (a costume designer experimenting during reshoots?).

It wouldn't surprise me if Patty tries some different things in the sequel.