BvS Gal Gadot IS Wonder Woman! - - Part 11

[Willi Berg]

are you referring to Lynda's costume? i'm pretty sure its padded, but it doesnt mean she didnt have what it takes. her curves (in the first photo) is natural and thats nothing to sniff at given that she's as tall as Gal.

having said that not all women with similar variables (such as height) means they are built the same way. Gal is naturally waif-like, you can see how she is even after having a child. i wont ever expect Gal to have the same body type as Lynda. Gal will be Gal, and the only thing im asking for is to have some muscle toning/ definition in those arms and legs. the costume and the acting will cover the rest.

In an interview, Lynda Carter says that in the first season of WW, the costume had a "bullet bra" effect (she bragged she had it before Madonna) but when the costume was redesigned for the modern era, they got rid of that effect so her breasts weren't as "pronounced". There was a bone frame within the costume to give it more of a solid structure all around.

 

[Superman_200]

You're assuming there isn't a healthy medium between physical fitness and showcasing the beauty of the female form. Jessica Biel in her prime is probably the most prominent and recognized example:

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Gal is barely straddling the line of a petite athlete. Nevermind a skilled warrior. I'm not interested on what is generally considered beautiful or sexy. Above all else I'd like to believe a given actor has stepped off the comic book pages onto the silver screen. Granted Gal does have the attractiveness, grace, and maternal quality for the part. But I can't shake off how lacking she is (at this point) in fulfilling the warrior princess aspect of the role.

And of course I realize it was always going to be a stretch for her to reach those levels, but I can't hold my tongue any longer. I did hold out hope she would at least have a commendable build by now. If all I can say is "she doesn't look waif like before!", I'm not terribly thrilled about that.

Right now I'm just going to hedge all my bets on Snyder knowing what he's doing. Maybe Gal's sheer presence as an actress will be enough to supersede what she lacks physically.

I think that it all comes down to the costume really. Michael Shannon was probably not as ripped or big as he looked in Man of Steel but you couldn't tell if he was big or small or in good shape or bad shape. If you put Gadot in the one piece Wonder Woman outfit of course her shape would be really noticeable; however, I would seriously doubt that with the tone of the Man of Steel that she would fit in wearing the one piece. Snyder and Williamson have done a very good job making even the silliest of characters look good on screen. I doubt that they would pick an actress that has a small frame, etc. and have her wear something that shows off her build that much or bares that much skin. I think (like with the Superman suit) they will come up with something that the fans had never predicted.

 

[regwec]

People are free to discuss legitimate artistic points pertaining to the film and to Gal Gadot's role in the film and any subsequent franchise.

By "legitimate artistic points pertaining to the film", do you mean "biceps"?

Yes, people can discuss whatever they like. But they would seem less foolish if they avoided the declarative where their view is obviously one among many.

 

[DA_Champion]

By "legitimate artistic points pertaining to the film", do you mean "biceps"?

Yes, people can discuss whatever they like. But they would seem less foolish if they avoided the declarative where their view is obviously one among many.

Like it or not, the look of the actors is an important part of the movie.

Could a Superman movie work with Michael Cera or Zac Efron playing Clark Kent? Why not? It should be obvious enough that, whatever your particular taste in masculine body shape is, others will not share it, nor will they care.

 

[Willi Berg]

Gal is barely straddling the line of a petite athlete. Nevermind a skilled warrior. I'm not interested on what is generally considered beautiful or sexy. Above all else I'd like to believe a given actor has stepped off the comic book pages onto the silver screen. Granted Gal does have the attractiveness, grace, and maternal quality for the part. But I can't shake off how lacking she is (at this point) in fulfilling the warrior princess aspect of the role.

And of course I realize it was always going to be a stretch for her to reach those levels, but I can't hold my tongue any longer. I did hold out hope she would at least have a commendable build by now. If all I can say is "she doesn't look waif like before!", I'm not terribly thrilled about that.

Right now I'm just going to hedge all my bets on Snyder knowing what he's doing. Maybe Gal's sheer presence as an actress will be enough to supersede what she lacks physically.

I think there was this expectation that, in the past (with Lynda Carter) we had the thin beauty queen version of WW, who could still throw the baddies aside very easily. So now, what we should have is this full-on action warrior WW, full of physicality and muscles etc. I was kind of expecting that too. But it looks like we aren't moving too far away from WW still being the thin beauty queen, who still looks like a model while fighting the baddies. The difference now will be what kind of action scenes Snyder will give WW, and how believable and exciting they will be. That's where I hope they step up/progress the most.

I think that it all comes down to the costume really. Michael Shannon was probably not as ripped or big as he looked in Man of Steel but you couldn't tell if he was big or small or in good shape or bad shape. If you put Gadot in the one piece Wonder Woman outfit of course her shape would be really noticeable; however, I would seriously doubt that with the tone of the Man of Steel that she would fit in wearing the one piece. Snyder and Williamson have done a very good job making even the silliest of characters look good on screen. I doubt that they would pick an actress that has a small frame, etc. and have her wear something that shows off her build that much or bares that much skin. I think (like with the Superman suit) they will come up with something that the fans had never predicted.

I think Gal as WW will still show some skin, but, as said, the warrior aspect will be heightened, as well as something beyond that- her superpowers. But the most important thing will be what WW will actually do in the movie. The effect Snyder (and Williamson) will create. With everything- the costume, the visual effects, the character, the story etc. I'm banking on that as well.

 

[regwec]

Like it or not, the look of the actors is an important part of the movie.

Could a Superman movie work with Michael Cera or Zac Efron playing Clark Kent? Why not? It should be obvious enough that, whatever your particular taste in masculine body shape is, others will not share it, nor will they care.

1) I don't think it is relatively unimportant, actually.

2) A poor comparison, but see above.

 

[Superman_200]

I think there was this expectation that, in the past (with Lynda Carter) we had the thin beauty queen version of WW, who could still throw the baddies aside very easily. So now, what we should have is this full-on action warrior WW, full of physicality and muscles etc. I was kind of expecting that too. But it looks like we aren't moving too far away from WW still being the thin beauty queen, who still looks like a model while fighting the baddies. The difference now will be what kind of action scenes Snyder will give WW, and how believable and exciting they will be. That's where I hope they step up/progress the most.




I think Gal as WW will still show some skin, but, as said, the warrior aspect will be heightened, as well as something beyond that- her superpowers. But the most important thing will be what WW will actually do in the movie. The effect Snyder (and Williamson) will create. With everything- the costume, the visual effects, the character, the story etc. I'm banking on that as well.

I think they could go with for example something similar to the character (whose name I forget) from Thor, she was wearing something similar to what I would expect Wonder Woman to wear. Now if her arms do not have armor they can certainly have a long sleeve-like material to enhance her look. If the Man of Steel costume had it her costume could have a little something as well to enhance the appearance of her muscles.

 

[Willi Berg]

I think they could go with for example something similar to the character (whose name I forget) from Thor, she was wearing something similar to what I would expect Wonder Woman to wear. Now if her arms do not have armor they can certainly have a long sleeve-like material to enhance her look. If the Man of Steel costume had it her costume could have a little something as well to enhance the appearance of her muscles.

Oh yeah, Sif in Thor had that armour on her shoulders. I wouldn't be surprised if WW had elements of that in her costume.

 

[Superman_200]

Oh yeah, Sif in Thor had that armour on her shoulders. I wouldn't be surprised if WW had elements of that in her costume.

I think that she will have something similar and underneath you can include the blue/red elements with the muscle suit sleeves, etc. not really to add a ton of size to where her head looks like a pea with some hair on it, but just a little bit of size or at least definition similar to what Cavill and Shannon had going on for the movie.

 

[Willi Berg]

I think that she will have something similar and underneath you can include the blue/red elements with the muscle suit sleeves, etc. not really to add a ton of size to where her head looks like a pea with some hair on it, but just a little bit of size or at least definition similar to what Cavill and Shannon had going on for the movie.

I see what you're saying. The way Cavill's suit gave him some definition.

 

[DA_Champion]

As a comparison, Antje Traue, who was a successful badass, is ~2.5 inches shorter and ~15 lbs heavier than Gal Gadot.

Gadot's waif-like frame is my only concern with the casting, so far.

[Don't know who the other guy is]

 

[Willi Berg]

[Don't know who the other guy is]

Fashion designer Giorgio Armani!

 

[DA_Champion]

Really?

Damn, I should know that, I've never been so embarrassed on the forum !

You think he designed that nice grey dress?

 

[Willi Berg]

Really?

Damn, I should know that, I've never been so embarrassed on the forum !

You think he designed that nice grey dress?

Why be embarrassed?

I don't know if he designed that, but it would make sense that she is at one of his events supporting him and wearing one of his designs.

 

[FeedOnATreeFrog]

I'd love to see Traue as Black Widow.

ScarJo makes the character such a waste.

 

[The Endless]

Not really. She was great in Winter Soldier. Although yea, up until that film completely changed my mind, i didn't like ScarJo in the role.

 

[Superman_200]

http://screenrant.com/batman-vs-superman-delayed-again-wonder-woman/

Any truth to that or just an April Fool's joke?

 

[DA_Champion]

An April Fool's joke.

This would be huge news if it were true, the thread specialising on this topic would already be at 30 pages and counting.

 

[Brian Braddock]

In my mind, bringing up Carters 'shape' is no more relevant than bringing up Adam West's shape for Batman in a Batman thread, in that its not. Guys from past eras (sans Reeve) clearly did nothing to minimal traing and now more than ever, given the efforts of the likes Jackman, Evans, Hemsworth, Bale, Biel, Reynolds etc, there is a legitimate expectancy for actors/actresses to get into something approximating 'superhero shape'. This is clearly something that has been acknowledged, with Gal too undergoing 'training'. But are we to expect an astounding physical transformation (like we saw with Cavill)? At this moment I would suggest not, as 1) I dont think Gals genetics particularly allow for it and b) its more likely that they are undergoing functional training as opposed to that designed for a purely a cosmetic aesthetic.

 

[Smallville13]

There does seem to be different standards for women though. It seems for them it's more just having the ideal female form. And I'm not saying this is a good thing. ScarJo didn't really achieve the look you'd associate with a Russian badass. Instead she just looked attractive and there was plenty of ass-shots in CA:TWS.

 

[sportjames23]

As a comparison, Antje Traue, who was a successful badass, is ~2.5 inches shorter and ~15 lbs heavier than Gal Gadot.

Gadot's waif-like frame is my only concern with the casting, so far.

[Don't know who the other guy is]

Tell Bob Barker to get his hands off my woman!

 

[Willi Berg]

In my mind, bringing up Carters 'shape' is no more relevant than bringing up Adam West's shape for Batman in a Batman thread, in that its not. Guys from past eras (sans Reeve) clearly did nothing to minimal traing and now more than ever, given the efforts of the likes Jackman, Evans, Hemsworth, Bale, Biel, Reynolds etc, there is a legitimate expectancy for actors/actresses to get into something approximating 'superhero shape'. This is clearly something that has been acknowledged, with Gal too undergoing 'training'. But are we to expect an astounding physical transformation (like we saw with Cavill)? At this moment I would suggest not, as 1) I dont think Gals genetics particularly allow for it and b) its more likely that they are undergoing functional training as opposed to that designed for a purely a cosmetic aesthetic.

Lynda Carter actually did quite a bit of training for WW, but it was mainly gymnastic/flexibility training, with harnesses on trampolines, that kind of stuff. She wasn't focused on weight training or anything like that. Carter was still very much a fashion icon of that time and endorsed things like makeup, and was proud of how thin her waist was as WW. So she very much tried to fit into that world too. And I don't think it has changed that much.

There does seem to be different standards for women though. It seems for them it's more just having the ideal female form. And I'm not saying this is a good thing. ScarJo didn't really achieve the look you'd associate with a Russian badass. Instead she just looked attractive and there was plenty of ass-shots in CA:TWS.

I agree. Like it or not, it is different for women, even if it is for action movies. In the stuntwomen documentary "Double Dare", Lucy Lawless and the stuntwomen for Xena were talking about how it is different for women. It is about how they look too, not just the stunts. Which is why female characters had more revealing outfits and wore heels etc. Because it looked good. But this created problems for stuntwomen because they couldn't hide stunt padding and it was difficult to run in heels etc.

 

[Mad Love]

So you're trying to tell me Cavill or Jackman trained for their respective roles for nothing?? It's about the transformation, the ability to transform yourself into something off the pages of the comics.

Nope, that's not what I said. What I said is that body size doesn't make strength more believable. Spider-man has a slimmer build than Wolverine but he had way more impressive feats of strength in the movies.

And your argument is invalid because Wonder Woman has been drawn with less muscles in the comics. So it's still something off comic pages.

 

[Willi Berg]

Nope, that's not what I said. What I said is that body size doesn't make strength more believable. Spider-man has a slimmer build than Wolverine but he had way more impressive feats of strength in the movies.

And your argument is invalid because Wonder Woman has been drawn with less muscles in the comics. So it's still something off comic pages.

True. In the comics, you see both extremes- sometimes WW is drawn so muscly as to be ridiculous then you see her drawn as quite slim e.g. John Byrne's depiction of her.

 

[Brian Braddock]

Jose Luis Garcia Lopez' Wonder Woman (Kenner Super Powers/DC promotional work) is my favourate (with Adam Hughes coming a very close 2nd). He didnt draw her with many muscles but she was beautifully put together (as was every character that he rendered around then). Something close to that I could live with.