BvS Gal Gadot IS Wonder Woman! - Part 9

[Lily Adler]

I don't believe people are truly advocating Gadot, but are taking a wait-and-see approach. The fact she has nearly no acting resume creates both excitement and dread for people to see her performance. Will she be good or will she be horrendous. Wait and see May 2016!

 

[Lily Adler]

Lib, I'd remove that if I were you. People get banned for that.

Wait until April Fools, I'm going to fake cast this place so bad.

 

[DeadPresident]

So why do you actually think she will be good? What reasons give you this idea?

I'd say something epic like "Find a post where I've ever said that", but it would be passive aggressive, so I'll save you the time. I've never said she'll be good, I'm not sure I've even held the opinion that she will be.

I do this interesting thing where I decide about something after I've experienced it. Saying she has no acting talent is farcical, because you assume her performances in her previous movies are down to her talent alone and no other variables. If you'd made an accommodation for bad writing, unsatisfying chemistry or various other problems you might not be so narrow-minded in your decision to condemn her ability.

I'm also assuming she might just need more experience, and perhaps not winning an Oscar within your first two movies isn't enough reason to label someone a "typically skeletal super model without any acting ability" as you so courteously put it. I combined two of your statements, I hope that's alright.

Marvel may have much less projects than WB, but they are also much smaller. There is no difference between a small studio working on a small amount of projects and a large studio working on a large amount of projects. They each have the amount of work that they can handle which doesn't change the fact that Marvel is just better at planning.

This takes the cake. You definitely need an award for superb oversimplification.

 

[Malcolm Reynold]

I do this interesting thing where I decide about something after I've experienced it. Saying she has no acting talent is farcical, because you assume her performances in her previous movies are down to her talent alone and no other variables. If you'd made an accommodation for bad writing, unsatisfying chemistry or various other problems you might not be so narrow-minded in your decision to condemn her ability.

It's called common sense. I don't need to see her performance to know it's more likely to be bad than good. If you saw a rotten apple in the street, you wouldn't need to eat it to know it's going to make you sick.

 

[DeadPresident]

It's called common sense. I don't need to see her performance to know it's more likely to be bad than good. If you saw a rotten apple in the street, you wouldn't need to eat it to know it's going to make you sick.

So now your opinion is common sense? Again with the oversimplification, and now a ridiculous analogy to boot. Who taught you to debate, 4chan?

This has been entertaining, sport. But I'm over it now. If I were you I'd put some time into figuring out what the real reasons are behind the fanatical hate for the castings, as opposed to coming up with pseudo-logical reasons and then arguing them quite badly.

Toodles.

 

[Loki882]

It's called common sense. I don't need to see her performance to know it's more likely to be bad than good. If you saw a rotten apple in the street, you wouldn't need to eat it to know it's going to make you sick.

No, that's not common sense, you clearly have no idea what those words actually mean. You cannot judge something like this without actually seeing it because you have nothing to compare it to. That's not common sense, that's jumping the gun.

 

[Malcolm Reynold]

So now your opinion is common sense?

No, when you see an actress whose biggest experience is Fast and Furious 6, and she was completely wooden and forgettable in it, it's common sense to assume her next performance would be similar.

 

[Gee]

Wait until April Fools, I'm going to fake cast this place so bad.

You actually made me excited for a moment there. Damn you.

 

[Lily Adler]

Well I was going to put Monica, but c'mon Jennifer is like a total hottie mchotterson.

 

[green]

So why do you actually think she will be good? What reasons give you this idea? Both Dark Raven and geetard's avatars are of Gal, so I ask, why? What about her makes her any different from any other model?

Because there was actually a casting call for the role and she beat out others for it, one of whom is pretty well known.
That alone gives me hope.

 

[Marvin]

Everyone is that isn't Dwayne Johnson is 'wooden' in the fast series, then they do other roles.

a) She has shown no acting ability.
b) She is your typical skeletal skinny supermodel actress hired only for her looks.
c) Wonder Woman shouldn't even be in the movie, they're shoving as much stuff into a movie to make as much money as possible.

A) Alot of people 'show no acting' ability before they are given their big chance. It works that way from time to time. Pretty sure reeve was an unknown, brad pitt etc.
Pretty sure if Meryl was given the role and same script for Gisele she's do it as well, if not worse(probably worse). Makes more sense to judge gal's failure's rather than lack of circumstance. This leads most to take a 'wait and see' vs a condemnation.

B)

C)Wonder Woman shouldn't be in this movie? Perhaps you should judge that after you find out what the plot is...Otherwise you could say the same about any film that features more than a protagonist and antagonist.

Hollywood is filled with pretty people, just cause Gal is one of them doesn't mean it should all of a sudden be turned against her. Perhaps she wasn't simply cast for her looks but along with them.

Lastly, I don't think what Nolan got out of his Selina Kyle required a pedigree of acting beyond what Gal has demonstrated. That goes double for Black Widow and triple for Lady Sif...I won't even get into Talia What's more, seduction and the manipulation of the male, has been attempted by two of those three and none as well as gal imo.

 

[Lily Adler]

His final point has kind of told me enough.

 

[Matt.S99]

It's a damn job. And this is clearly going to be her big shot at the industry. Not every model turned actor is bad.

 

[Malcolm Reynold]

B)

How can you even make that comparison? Bale is a method actor, his physique was part of his performance. Also Hathaway was excellent in TDKR, the fact she gave the performance she did given the lackluster script shows she is a really good actor. And Gadot isn't an unknown like Reeve was, Fast 6 was one of the highest grossing films of the year and she was one of the main supporting characters, the only reason people don't remember her in it is because she was terrible.

 

[The Guard]

Ugh. It's Megan Gale all over again.

I'm going to let the people whose job it is to cast this thing and audition her for the role and see if she fits the role decide if she fits the version of the character they've written, and then see if it works, based on actual evidence.

Is that so hard to do?

 

[Lily Adler]

I thought Wonder Woman was T&A in JL:M. It's the reason why Biel allegedly rejected the role.

 

[Micromind]

I would rather adopt a "wait and see" approach than make judgement on an actor based on my own assumptions.

 

[Malcolm Reynold]

Ugh. It's Megan Gale all over again.

I'm going to let the people whose job it is to cast this thing and audition her for the role and see if she fits the role decide if she fits the version of the character they've written, and then see if it works, based on actual evidence.

Is that so hard to do?

Yes because the people who cast movies are much better at it than anyone else. It was genius to cast Schwarzenegger as Mr Freeze or Halle Berry as Catwoman. The producers who ultimately make these decisions only care about one thing: returns at the box office. If casting someone attractive over someone who can act means more money, they will do it.

 

[Matt.S99]

I thought Wonder Woman was T&A in JL:M. It's the reason why Biel allegedly rejected the role.

From what I've read, she actually had a fairly large role.

 

[Matt.S99]

Yeah because the people who cast movies are much better at it than anyone else. It was genius to cast Schwarzenegger as Mr Freeze, or Hallle Berry as Catwoman.

Yeah, let's lump everyone who does a certain job into one mold.
What about Ledger as Joker? Michelle as Catwoman? Reeve as Superman?

Not to mention films all have a different tone, audience etc. some movies have bad casting and some have great casting. Can't lump them all together and discredit every casting director because someone didn't choose the best person for the job.

I'm not saying you can't have doubts. But to dismiss her because her other profession is that of a model, is a little much. Sure there have been a few models who have been awful at acting, but there have also been a few that turned out good.

 

[Micromind]

Yeah because the people who cast movies are much better at it than anyone else. It was genius to cast Schwarzenegger as Mr Freeze, or Hallle Berry as Catwoman. The producers who ultimately make these decisions only care about one thing: returns at the box office. If casting someone attractive over someone who can act means more money, they will do it.

If you are implying that WB cast Schwarzenegger as Mr. Freeze and Halle Berry as Catwoman simply because they were big name actors, just to make some money, then this argument does not apply to Gal Gadot, as she is not a big name actress at all.

However, this comparison would be fitting for scarlett Johansson as Black Widow.

 

[Marvin]

How can you even make that comparison? Bale is a method actor, his physique was part of his performance. Also Hathaway was excellent in TDKR, the fact she gave the performance she did given the lackluster script shows she is a really good actor.

Because Gal isn't that skinny and she doesn't need to get that big, that's extreme work and she has far less to do.
I make the comparison to make the point that people aren't trapped in their bodies when it comes to these movies. Just about every actor has goes through conditioning to the point that even bringing up stuff such as mass is completely pointless. Height I'd understand even though that has workarounds (and actually favors Gal in this case) but mass? Pointless after blade trinity imo.

What's more is you have a world class and proven trainer on board. The man supposedly got CavEL down to 4% fat at some point (though I have my doubts), it's safe to assume these people know what they are doing.

Secondly, as wonderful as you may have found Anne in that film, it wasn't some tour de anything. The point is, just want to you think is going to be required here? If they cast Gal in a British Parliment role I'd get it. But this simply doesn't seem all that beyond her. Do these superwoman even cry in these films? I'm not remembering any...

 

[Malcolm Reynold]

Yeah, let's lump everyone who does a certain job into one mold.
What about Ledger as Joker? Michelle as Catwoman? Reeve as Superman?

Not to mention films all have a different tone, audience etc. some movies have bad casting and some have great casting. Can't lump them all together and discredit every casting director because someone didn't choose the best person for the job.

Both Ledger and Pfeiffer had proven previously that they could act regardless of the fact they had not played similar roles before, and Reeve was basically cast because bigger stars who they tried to get couldn't take a superhero movie seriously.

 

[Lily Adler]

From what I've read, she actually had a fairly large role.

I know her and Barry's relationship was actually pivotal to the role. Perhaps Biel used the T&A as an excuse, if it ever occurred.

 

[Matt.S99]

Doesnt change the fact that people were still up in arms about ledger being cast and called it terrible casting.