The Last Jedi General Episode VIII News/Speculation/SPOILER Thread

[Marvolo]

I'd rather they use a cgi enhanced puppet than just a puppet or just cgi.

 

[TheVileOne]

Yeah Unkar Platt in Force Awakens they did make a full-bodied practical costume, but his face was CG enhanced and animated, which you could kinda tell.

The other featured characters like Snoke and Maz were CG-motion captured.

I think it was a decent trade-off to get all the practical puppetry and other sets, which the prequels did not really embrace. The problem was that it lent the prequel films to looking so static, overly clean and just really boring. It got considerably worse with each one IMHO.

Like when Poe Dameron is on that Star Destroyer set, you can tell almost all of it was there and built. I'd say it was a fairly good mix.

 

[MagnarTheGreat]

Plutt did turn out better than Snoke and Maz.

 

[Brother Jack]

With the renewed focus on practical effects I wouldn't be surprised if they do a major character practically at some point, whether it's Yoda or something else. They were on track to do Maz as an animatronic puppet but shifted direction later on.

 

[titansupes]

^ And I think that was only because they ran out of time, wasn't it?

 

[BatLobster]

I still think the decision to have Maz be the one mo-cap character in a see of practical creatures was pretty unfortunate. Took me right out of the movie.

I liked CG Yoda, but if they bring back the puppet for his Force Ghost that would be such a trip.

 

[vanson]

we never saw snoke in person..I thought the look was appropiate for a hologram

 

[Doctor Jones]

As long as the CGI is great it shouldn't be a problem. They used puppetry at the time because it was the only means to accomplish it. Now CG done right can be just as effective. Yoda in ESB was just a perfect combination of the character and the time it was done in that can't really be repeated. Just making Yoda a puppet won't automatically make it better. Just like making Yoda a puppet in TPM wasn't good and just because Yoda's CGI (and other things about the PT) didn't always work doesn't mean it's the wrong decision. Yoda was pretty great in terms of quality of CGI and got even better in ROTS. With a better director understanding Yoda's movements and CG with the quality of CG now you'd be surprised of the difference.

 

[Solidus]

I'd rather they use a cgi enhanced puppet than just a puppet or just cgi.

That's what I would prefer.

 

[kickass]

Well, if they show Yoda as a force ghost, then him being blue and transparent is where I would like the cgi to come in. As for his texture and movements, I'd prefer the puppet more than anything (cgi facial movements only if it's brilliantly subtle - which would add to the acting more so).

 

[CommanderConnor]

Potential Plot Leak from Reddit

[BLACKOUT]I read a possible link, but cant find info: Please Debunk?
Spoilers:
Working title is "Echoes of the Dark Side"
It's divided into three equally important plot threads that don't converge until the third act: Rey's, Finn's, and Kylo's.
There's not nearly as much action as TFA in the first two acts, but the third act goes full-on crazy.
The broad structure isn't as similar to ESB as TFA was to ANH, but the parallels are still present. Rey is training in the ways of the Force with an old Jedi master (Luke) on a wild planet while Finn and Poe are in a beautiful city that has a shady, sinister underpinning. Finn and Poe are betrayed and captured by Kylo Ren who uses them as bait to draw Rey out of hiding so Kylo and Rey can have a duel in an industrial portion of the city.
The backstory to Luke and his Jedi being wiped out is that Snoke seduced Kylo and a few of the other students to the dark side and tasked them with killing everyone. Luke and a few others survived, including a young Rey who was subsequently dumped on Jakku by Luke.
Rey's mom died in the attack.
Rey is pissed at Luke because she guesses that he was her father and is angry at him for abandoning her. Luke turns to her and says "No, you are my father".
Yes, really.
Rey is the reincarnation of Anakin Skywalker. Luke went to the first Jedi temple to better understand how the process works. He learned that the spirit of the chosen one is reincarnated by the Force every time the universe is thrown out of balance, which apparently happens on a semi-regular basis (Anakin was hardly the first time the chosen one reincarnated). This is why she's so crazy powerful with the Force (remember that Anakin blew up the Trade Federation donut ship by himself when he was like 8 years old).
Rey was the product of a virgin birth, but midichlorians aren't mentioned (Luke says "you are a child of the Force").
Luke is hesitant to train her because, according to Jedi history, the chosen one always struggles with staying on the light side of the Force because of the chaotic power running through them. He's afraid that she could become Vader 2.0. If he trains her to fight Kylo, and she turns dark, she would do way more damage to the galaxy than Kylo could ever dream of doing.
He ultimately trains her anyway and leaves everything up to the Force. He makes this decision in a scene where he confers with the ghosts of Obi-Wan and Yoda (Ewan MacGregor and Frank Oz come back).
Rey learns lightsaber skills, Force skills, and has a vision quest thing where she talks with Maz Kanata (unsure if it’s telepathy or just a dream) and Hayden Christenson. The latter tells her that she is him, but different, and there’s a quick scene where we see hundreds of other Force ghosts who are implied to be past chosen ones.
Rey feels Finn's distress elsewhere in the galaxy and says she needs to go to him. Luke tells her about the time he felt his friends in distress and Yoda told him to stay and finish his training, and his disobedience led to pain. But then he says he isn't Yoda, and has his own way of doing things, and tags along with her to go help.
Finn wakes up on a Resistance cruiser and is told by Poe that they're already en route to the makeshift Republic homeworld in the wake of the capital planet being blown up by Starkiller Base.
Leia wants to lobby them to go to war.
The Republic is being led by an interim dictator named Lord Vikram (Benicio Del Toro), who was quickly put into power by the few senators still around to maintain order.
Starkiller's destruction of the Republic core worlds caused a galactic communications disruption because everything was routed through those worlds, so Vikram is trying to reestablish contact and ensure the Republic doesn't collapse into anarchy.
Leia and Vikram butt heads. Vikram agrees that the Republic has to go to war with the First Order, but wants to wait for communications to come back online so they can muster up a sizable force (all they have right now is a single small fleet). Leia disagrees, and wants to take the war to the First Order now while Snoke is still reeling from Starkiller's destruction. She says both sides are in chaos, which makes this an opportune time to strike. Vikram counters by telling her she's letting her personal emotions over Han's death get in the way, and Leia throws it back at him by telling him he was always a little snake of a politician when they would argue back in her senate days, etc, etc, they have old bad blood or whatever.
The Republic planet is safe because it's protected by a heavy duty shield that can repel any invasion or bombardment from the First Order.
Finn and Poe are tasked by Leia to investigate the city because one of Leia's contacts informed her that the First Order have spies embedded in the Republic. Leia suspects Vikram.
Finn quickly becomes enamored by Leia's contact, Chala (Kelly Marie Tran), who tags along with him and Poe through the underbelly of the city to gather information.
Finn and Chala have a flirty romance subplot that involves a nighttime adventure through the rustic old city (this is the second entry in the trilogy after all, and poetry demands it).
Finn, Poe and Chala all corner the culprit: Vikram's aide, who has evidence of contact between Vikram and the First Order. Leia and some Resistance fighters confront Vikram and throw him in jail for treason. He denies everything, and the rest of the Republic officials are horrified because Leia basically just coup-de-etat'd the **** out of their leadership. Leia assumes control of the planet's defenses and absentmindedly puts Finn in charge of the shield codes.
Finn and Chala have a moment and Finn mentions his confusion about why Vikram didn't just lower the shields for the First Order. They walk into a room and Phasma is standing there and Chala draws a gun on Finn and forcibly takes the codes for disarming the shield from him. She says she planted the evidence, used Finn to get the codes, and basically that she thinks he's a dirty traitor to the First Order. In a moment of pure pottery, Phasma makes Finn lower the shields.
The First Order fleet jumps out of hyperspace and invades the planet, quickly capturing Finn, Poe and Leia. Kylo starts to torture Finn using the Force, knowing that it will draw Rey out of hiding and into his trap.[/BLACKOUT]

 

[Supa]

That might actually beat out the "My baby girl" line in sheer ridiculousness.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

 

[MagnarTheGreat]

Reddit are like a bunch of crackheads with fanfiction 99% of the time.

Lucasfilm Story Group's Pablo Hidalgo said it's fake:

https://mobile.***********/pablohidalgo/status/719975357722554372

The only big leak worth consideration for VII outside of some concept art came from the leaked scene outline to Making Star Wars and the MillenniumFalcon website. And even then changes were made to it during production and during post-production.

 

[Drizzle]

I only looked at that once it was confirmed fake, and I'm glad I did.

[BLACKOUT]"No. You are my father."[/BLACKOUT]

 

[Frankeh]

LMAO I can't with that plot description.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I only looked at that once it was confirmed fake, and I'm glad I did.

[BLACKOUT]"No. You are my father."[/BLACKOUT]

Perfect gif.

 

[X Knight]

Potential Plot Leak from Reddit

[BLACKOUT]I read a possible link, but cant find info: Please Debunk?
Spoilers:
Working title is "Echoes of the Dark Side"
It's divided into three equally important plot threads that don't converge until the third act: Rey's, Finn's, and Kylo's.
There's not nearly as much action as TFA in the first two acts, but the third act goes full-on crazy.
The broad structure isn't as similar to ESB as TFA was to ANH, but the parallels are still present. Rey is training in the ways of the Force with an old Jedi master (Luke) on a wild planet while Finn and Poe are in a beautiful city that has a shady, sinister underpinning. Finn and Poe are betrayed and captured by Kylo Ren who uses them as bait to draw Rey out of hiding so Kylo and Rey can have a duel in an industrial portion of the city.
The backstory to Luke and his Jedi being wiped out is that Snoke seduced Kylo and a few of the other students to the dark side and tasked them with killing everyone. Luke and a few others survived, including a young Rey who was subsequently dumped on Jakku by Luke.
Rey's mom died in the attack.
Rey is pissed at Luke because she guesses that he was her father and is angry at him for abandoning her. Luke turns to her and says "No, you are my father".
Yes, really.
Rey is the reincarnation of Anakin Skywalker. Luke went to the first Jedi temple to better understand how the process works. He learned that the spirit of the chosen one is reincarnated by the Force every time the universe is thrown out of balance, which apparently happens on a semi-regular basis (Anakin was hardly the first time the chosen one reincarnated). This is why she's so crazy powerful with the Force (remember that Anakin blew up the Trade Federation donut ship by himself when he was like 8 years old).
Rey was the product of a virgin birth, but midichlorians aren't mentioned (Luke says "you are a child of the Force").
Luke is hesitant to train her because, according to Jedi history, the chosen one always struggles with staying on the light side of the Force because of the chaotic power running through them. He's afraid that she could become Vader 2.0. If he trains her to fight Kylo, and she turns dark, she would do way more damage to the galaxy than Kylo could ever dream of doing.
He ultimately trains her anyway and leaves everything up to the Force. He makes this decision in a scene where he confers with the ghosts of Obi-Wan and Yoda (Ewan MacGregor and Frank Oz come back).
Rey learns lightsaber skills, Force skills, and has a vision quest thing where she talks with Maz Kanata (unsure if it’s telepathy or just a dream) and Hayden Christenson. The latter tells her that she is him, but different, and there’s a quick scene where we see hundreds of other Force ghosts who are implied to be past chosen ones.
Rey feels Finn's distress elsewhere in the galaxy and says she needs to go to him. Luke tells her about the time he felt his friends in distress and Yoda told him to stay and finish his training, and his disobedience led to pain. But then he says he isn't Yoda, and has his own way of doing things, and tags along with her to go help.
Finn wakes up on a Resistance cruiser and is told by Poe that they're already en route to the makeshift Republic homeworld in the wake of the capital planet being blown up by Starkiller Base.
Leia wants to lobby them to go to war.
The Republic is being led by an interim dictator named Lord Vikram (Benicio Del Toro), who was quickly put into power by the few senators still around to maintain order.
Starkiller's destruction of the Republic core worlds caused a galactic communications disruption because everything was routed through those worlds, so Vikram is trying to reestablish contact and ensure the Republic doesn't collapse into anarchy.
Leia and Vikram butt heads. Vikram agrees that the Republic has to go to war with the First Order, but wants to wait for communications to come back online so they can muster up a sizable force (all they have right now is a single small fleet). Leia disagrees, and wants to take the war to the First Order now while Snoke is still reeling from Starkiller's destruction. She says both sides are in chaos, which makes this an opportune time to strike. Vikram counters by telling her she's letting her personal emotions over Han's death get in the way, and Leia throws it back at him by telling him he was always a little snake of a politician when they would argue back in her senate days, etc, etc, they have old bad blood or whatever.
The Republic planet is safe because it's protected by a heavy duty shield that can repel any invasion or bombardment from the First Order.
Finn and Poe are tasked by Leia to investigate the city because one of Leia's contacts informed her that the First Order have spies embedded in the Republic. Leia suspects Vikram.
Finn quickly becomes enamored by Leia's contact, Chala (Kelly Marie Tran), who tags along with him and Poe through the underbelly of the city to gather information.
Finn and Chala have a flirty romance subplot that involves a nighttime adventure through the rustic old city (this is the second entry in the trilogy after all, and poetry demands it).
Finn, Poe and Chala all corner the culprit: Vikram's aide, who has evidence of contact between Vikram and the First Order. Leia and some Resistance fighters confront Vikram and throw him in jail for treason. He denies everything, and the rest of the Republic officials are horrified because Leia basically just coup-de-etat'd the **** out of their leadership. Leia assumes control of the planet's defenses and absentmindedly puts Finn in charge of the shield codes.
Finn and Chala have a moment and Finn mentions his confusion about why Vikram didn't just lower the shields for the First Order. They walk into a room and Phasma is standing there and Chala draws a gun on Finn and forcibly takes the codes for disarming the shield from him. She says she planted the evidence, used Finn to get the codes, and basically that she thinks he's a dirty traitor to the First Order. In a moment of pure pottery, Phasma makes Finn lower the shields.
The First Order fleet jumps out of hyperspace and invades the planet, quickly capturing Finn, Poe and Leia. Kylo starts to torture Finn using the Force, knowing that it will draw Rey out of hiding and into his trap.[/BLACKOUT]

so......is this SW or The Last Airbender/Avatar? lol

 

[Broseph44]

Potential Plot Leak from Reddit

[BLACKOUT]I read a possible link, but cant find info: Please Debunk?
Spoilers:
Working title is "Echoes of the Dark Side"
It's divided into three equally important plot threads that don't converge until the third act: Rey's, Finn's, and Kylo's.
There's not nearly as much action as TFA in the first two acts, but the third act goes full-on crazy.
The broad structure isn't as similar to ESB as TFA was to ANH, but the parallels are still present. Rey is training in the ways of the Force with an old Jedi master (Luke) on a wild planet while Finn and Poe are in a beautiful city that has a shady, sinister underpinning. Finn and Poe are betrayed and captured by Kylo Ren who uses them as bait to draw Rey out of hiding so Kylo and Rey can have a duel in an industrial portion of the city.
The backstory to Luke and his Jedi being wiped out is that Snoke seduced Kylo and a few of the other students to the dark side and tasked them with killing everyone. Luke and a few others survived, including a young Rey who was subsequently dumped on Jakku by Luke.
Rey's mom died in the attack.
Rey is pissed at Luke because she guesses that he was her father and is angry at him for abandoning her. Luke turns to her and says "No, you are my father".
Yes, really.
Rey is the reincarnation of Anakin Skywalker. Luke went to the first Jedi temple to better understand how the process works. He learned that the spirit of the chosen one is reincarnated by the Force every time the universe is thrown out of balance, which apparently happens on a semi-regular basis (Anakin was hardly the first time the chosen one reincarnated). This is why she's so crazy powerful with the Force (remember that Anakin blew up the Trade Federation donut ship by himself when he was like 8 years old).
Rey was the product of a virgin birth, but midichlorians aren't mentioned (Luke says "you are a child of the Force").
Luke is hesitant to train her because, according to Jedi history, the chosen one always struggles with staying on the light side of the Force because of the chaotic power running through them. He's afraid that she could become Vader 2.0. If he trains her to fight Kylo, and she turns dark, she would do way more damage to the galaxy than Kylo could ever dream of doing.
He ultimately trains her anyway and leaves everything up to the Force. He makes this decision in a scene where he confers with the ghosts of Obi-Wan and Yoda (Ewan MacGregor and Frank Oz come back).
Rey learns lightsaber skills, Force skills, and has a vision quest thing where she talks with Maz Kanata (unsure if it’s telepathy or just a dream) and Hayden Christenson. The latter tells her that she is him, but different, and there’s a quick scene where we see hundreds of other Force ghosts who are implied to be past chosen ones.
Rey feels Finn's distress elsewhere in the galaxy and says she needs to go to him. Luke tells her about the time he felt his friends in distress and Yoda told him to stay and finish his training, and his disobedience led to pain. But then he says he isn't Yoda, and has his own way of doing things, and tags along with her to go help.
Finn wakes up on a Resistance cruiser and is told by Poe that they're already en route to the makeshift Republic homeworld in the wake of the capital planet being blown up by Starkiller Base.
Leia wants to lobby them to go to war.
The Republic is being led by an interim dictator named Lord Vikram (Benicio Del Toro), who was quickly put into power by the few senators still around to maintain order.
Starkiller's destruction of the Republic core worlds caused a galactic communications disruption because everything was routed through those worlds, so Vikram is trying to reestablish contact and ensure the Republic doesn't collapse into anarchy.
Leia and Vikram butt heads. Vikram agrees that the Republic has to go to war with the First Order, but wants to wait for communications to come back online so they can muster up a sizable force (all they have right now is a single small fleet). Leia disagrees, and wants to take the war to the First Order now while Snoke is still reeling from Starkiller's destruction. She says both sides are in chaos, which makes this an opportune time to strike. Vikram counters by telling her she's letting her personal emotions over Han's death get in the way, and Leia throws it back at him by telling him he was always a little snake of a politician when they would argue back in her senate days, etc, etc, they have old bad blood or whatever.
The Republic planet is safe because it's protected by a heavy duty shield that can repel any invasion or bombardment from the First Order.
Finn and Poe are tasked by Leia to investigate the city because one of Leia's contacts informed her that the First Order have spies embedded in the Republic. Leia suspects Vikram.
Finn quickly becomes enamored by Leia's contact, Chala (Kelly Marie Tran), who tags along with him and Poe through the underbelly of the city to gather information.
Finn and Chala have a flirty romance subplot that involves a nighttime adventure through the rustic old city (this is the second entry in the trilogy after all, and poetry demands it).
Finn, Poe and Chala all corner the culprit: Vikram's aide, who has evidence of contact between Vikram and the First Order. Leia and some Resistance fighters confront Vikram and throw him in jail for treason. He denies everything, and the rest of the Republic officials are horrified because Leia basically just coup-de-etat'd the **** out of their leadership. Leia assumes control of the planet's defenses and absentmindedly puts Finn in charge of the shield codes.
Finn and Chala have a moment and Finn mentions his confusion about why Vikram didn't just lower the shields for the First Order. They walk into a room and Phasma is standing there and Chala draws a gun on Finn and forcibly takes the codes for disarming the shield from him. She says she planted the evidence, used Finn to get the codes, and basically that she thinks he's a dirty traitor to the First Order. In a moment of pure pottery, Phasma makes Finn lower the shields.
The First Order fleet jumps out of hyperspace and invades the planet, quickly capturing Finn, Poe and Leia. Kylo starts to torture Finn using the Force, knowing that it will draw Rey out of hiding and into his trap.[/BLACKOUT]

Connor why the hell would you actually even think that ******** is the "potential plot"

 

[jonathancrane]

That 'leaked' summary provided some well needed laughter.

I swear they ripped it from one of the feverish fics from Tumblr. All that's missing is Benedict Cumberbatch and a cat.

 

[Sithborg]

Pablo needs to have a gif of his response to the question he got while on the cruise ready for these types of questions.

 

[CommanderConnor]

Connor why the hell would you actually even think that ******** is the "potential plot"

Thought it would be funny

Not a cat in hells chance they are going to renew any sort of 'Chosen One' prophecy or anything like that from the prequels. The closest we will get to continuity from the prequels is the line from Kylo "perhaps Leader Snoke should reconsider using a clone army", the very minor easter eggs at Maz's castle and possibly appearance by Hayden Christensen as a Force Ghost of some kind.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Thought it would be funny

Not a cat in hells chance they are going to renew any sort of 'Chosen One' prophecy or anything like that from the prequels. The closest we will get to continuity from the prequels is the line from Kylo "perhaps Leader Snoke should reconsider using a clone army", the very minor easter eggs at Maz's castle and possibly appearance by Hayden Christensen as a Force Ghost of some kind.

Like you didn't post a lot of obviously crazy spoilers for VII like they were real.

 

[CommanderConnor]

Like you didn't post a lot of obviously crazy spoilers for VII like they were real.

Your acting like I made that up myself. All I do is re-post them into here for discussion. Jump down off that high horse of yours

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Your acting like I made that up myself. All I do is re-post them into here for discussion. Jump down off that high horse of yours

Yes, because I am suppose to believe you didn't believe you had some potentially legit spoilers to post.