Rogue One General Rogue One News/Speculation/SPOILER Thread - Part 6

[OnTheAir]

More Rogue One revisions to wrap up the week:

http://ew.com/movies/2017/03/24/rogue-one-revisions-tie-fighter-scene-deleted-planet-killed-cameos/

 

[danoyse]

This scene was so worth seeing the movie in 4DX for. The whole seat was shaking, it was so awesome.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

This scene was so worth seeing the movie in 4DX for. The whole seat was shaking, it was so awesome.

That sounds amazing. Need to try that out one day.

On another note I have never seen so many people cheer for massive amounts of death in one scene outside of the Death Star exploding.

 

[righthooksrus86]

how much more footage do they have of Felicity Jones?? I'd marry that woman lol.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Such an awesome moment!

 

[danoyse]

That sounds amazing. Need to try that out one day.

On another note I have never seen so many people cheer for massive amounts of death in one scene outside of the Death Star exploding.

Tickets are expensive - about $30 in NY, but for a movie like that, it’s totally worth it.

At the IMAX at opening night, people were cheering as Darth Vader took down the Rebels. We’re sick bastards.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Tickets are expensive - about $30 in NY, but for a movie like that, it’s totally worth it.

At the IMAX at opening night, people were cheering as Darth Vader took down the Rebels. We’re sick bastards.

Sounds like something to try for The Last Jedi. t:

That is exactly what happened at my first two viewings as well. My brother and I were totally losing our crap with everyone else. Star Wars fans didn't buy his heel turn.

 

[TheVileOne]

More Rogue One revisions to wrap up the week:

http://ew.com/movies/2017/03/24/rogue-one-revisions-tie-fighter-scene-deleted-planet-killed-cameos/

I'm starting to hate trailers now if they are going to give us all this amazing imagery we will never witness in the actual film.

It's in this instance I don't mind as much if filmmakers have more control over what's in the trailers.

But for example, we never got that amazing shot of Kylo Ren igniting his lightsaber in the forest that we got in the first teaser trailer. That was a great shot. Would've loved if it that shot still made it in.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I'm starting to hate trailers now if they are going to give us all this amazing imagery we will never witness in the actual film.

It's in this instance I don't mind as much if filmmakers have more control over what's in the trailers.

But for example, we never got that amazing shot of Kylo Ren igniting his lightsaber in the forest that we got in the first teaser trailer. That was a great shot. Would've loved if it that shot still made it in.

And we didn't get that because JJ changed how the scene played out. Should the scene have just stayed in because it was in the first trailer?

 

[TheVileOne]

And we didn't get that because JJ changed how the scene played out. Should the scene have just stayed in because it was in the first trailer?

Yes it should've. I don't see how it's a hard shot to reinsert. It's not like cutting off Kylo going onto the Millennium Falcon, which was a redundant moment the movie didn't need. Or the confrontation under Maz's castle, which was just too much slapstick.

And we should've seen Captain America in his apartment and walking around New York City in Avengers. And the scene where he saves the family in the car from the Chitauri.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Yes it should've. I don't see how it's a hard shot to reinsert. It's not like cutting off Kylo going onto the Millennium Falcon, which was a redundant moment the movie didn't need. Or the confrontation under Maz's castle, which was just too much slapstick.

And we should've seen Captain America in his apartment and walking around New York City in Avengers. And the scene where he saves the family in the car from the Chitauri.

Too me it is clear that Kylo originally chased Rey and Finn into the woods. That changed to him cutting them off unexpectedly, without a helmet or hood. He is also clearly injured now and emotionally compromised. He also no longer has his hood, which he ditches before being confronted by Han.

Considering they have multiple shots that show a continuity problem with what Kylo is wearing in the base (his hood/cape keep disappearing and reappearing once Rey escapes), they changed the order of how things happened at the base. But the through line is that once confronted by Han, he no longer has the hood. The scene is impossible unless Kylo goes and gets his hood randomly. It makes no sense for that shot to be in the movie.

 

[TheVileOne]

Too me it is clear that Kylo originally chased Rey and Finn into the woods. That changed to him cutting them off unexpectedly, without a helmet or hood. He is also clearly injured now and emotionally compromised. He also no longer has his hood, which he ditches before being confronted by Han.

Considering they have multiple shots that show a continuity problem with what Kylo is wearing in the base (his hood/cape keep disappearing and reappearing once Rey escapes), they changed the order of how things happened at the base. But the through line is that once confronted by Han, he no longer has the hood. The scene is impossible unless Kylo goes and gets his hood randomly. It makes no sense for that shot to be in the movie.

Tons of movies have those editing continuity issues. Even Raiders of the Lost Ark. He could've gone out into the forest with the hood on and then taken it off

But look Darth, you can't tell me a lot of people weren't enthralled by that image of Jyn Erso being smack dab in front of a Tie Fighter on that catwalk in the trailer. Now honestly, maybe it's a lie when Whitta says "oh we just constructed that for the trailer." Now maybe that is the truth. But to me it's very dishonest and manipulative if you are setting up all these fake shots for trailer only bits when they in no way as little trailer bits that wouldn't make it into the final cut. It's a far cry from Clouseau going to a movie theater and being unable to buy a ticket for WALLE, or Wayne and Garth appearing in front of The Addams Family.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Tons of movies have those editing continuity issues. Even Raiders of the Lost Ark. He could've gone out into the forest with the hood on and then taken it off

But look Darth, you can't tell me a lot of people weren't enthralled by that image of Jyn Erso being smack dab in front of a Tie Fighter on that catwalk in the trailer. Now honestly, maybe it's a lie when Whitta says "oh we just constructed that for the trailer." Now maybe that is the truth. But to me it's very dishonest and manipulative if you are setting up all these fake shots for trailer only bits when they in no way as little trailer bits that wouldn't make it into the final cut. It's a far cry from Clouseau going to a movie theater and being unable to buy a ticket for WALLE, or Wayne and Garth appearing in front of The Addams Family.

That shot was my avatar. I quite liked it. But if it doesn't make the final cut do to editing of the film, it doesn't make the final cut. I'd rather the director have control over that, then what the marketing company decided could be in the trailer and thus has to be in the movie.

 

[Filmfan93]

Sounds like something to try for The Last Jedi. t:

That is exactly what happened at my first two viewings as well. My brother and I were totally losing our crap with everyone else. Star Wars fans didn't buy his heel turn.

I think we all did. Me, my girlfriend and everyone in the screening lost their cool during that scene. It was glorious. Just thinking about it makes me want to re-watch the film for the 8th time.

 

[OutOfBoose]

Came to say how much I love production design and cinematography of Rogue One. Aesthetic is just so f. good.

 

[Aquafinn90]

watched Rogue One for the third time and still can't quite figure this out. So the initial plan of Jyn and co on Scariff is to extract the physical plans and fly them off the planet. When the rebels show up the Empire closes the shield gate preventing Jyn and co from getting off the planet so they need to come up with plan B. They decide to transmit the plans but in order to do so they need to take down the shield gate. Something's not clear there. They couldn't fly off of the planet because the shield gate was closed, but plan B still involves taking down the shield gate. Therefore they could've still went with plan A and flew them off once the gate was down. I realize that at some point later on their stolen imperial ship gets destroyed, but this hasn't happened yet. Am I missing something or is this just an issue of dialogue not being clear? My other thought was that w a massive battle being waged above it would have been difficult to get through unscathed, but again that's not reflected in the dialogue.

 

[SnakeEyes]

First plan was to get in and get out with the death star plans. This plan is a little faulty since part of the plan was to cause a distraction/explosions when needed which seems that would immediately cause them to close the gate.

Once the xwing squadron shows up and starts coming in the gate the gate is closed. That is when Jyn, Casian and KS20 are inside the capital building and realize there is no way out. This is when they contact Bohdi and tell him to somehow contact the rebel ships outside the gate and inform them they have the plans and need them to destroy the gate so they can get out.

While Jyn and Cassian are getting the plans, K2SO has to lock them inside since troops are attacking him. He tells them they still have a final option of going to the top and transmitting the plans.

After Bodhi informs General Raddus (the guy that was same species as Admiral Ackbar) that they have the plans, he focuses on destroying the shield with the cool hammerhead corvette that pushes the disabled Star Destroyer into the other one causing it to destroy the shield.

All of this stuff is happening at the same time. The shield gets destroyed. Jyn and Cassian go to the top of the building to transmit the plans. Director Krennic meets them and gets shot. They transmit the plans. At the same time the Death Star has arrived and they are planning to destroy Scarif.

Genral Raddus gets the transmission and the Death Star starts to destroy Scarif. Jyn and Cassian seem to have no quick way to get out. It would have been great if they could but I think everything happening so quick made it impossible. Also this explains why no one from the planet attack would be in the OT movies.

Plus you have to accept the technology of Star Wars OT universe. They have all that awesome tech to build all those superior vehicles and mechanical planets that can destroy other planets, but they do not have the internet (seems like they still use tapes and floppy disks). Haha. But it does fit in with the universe so I let it slide.

My account of the final battle may be off.

 

[Aquafinn90]

I get all that. It's just that they changed their plan from leaving w the plans to transmitting the plans because the shield gate was closed. But transmitting the plans STILL requires them to take down the shield gate. So why change their plan at that point

 

[SnakeEyes]

I guess all I meant was that if they could have gotten off the planet they probably would have tried but I think things happened so quickly from the time they got the plans transmitted to when the death star shot it's blast that it was too late to get away.

I believe their plan was not that great to begin with as in a lot of stuff had to happen for it to be a success.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I get all that. It's just that they changed their plan from leaving w the plans to transmitting the plans because the shield gate was closed. But transmitting the plans STILL requires them to take down the shield gate. So why change their plan at that point

Because getting off the planet became nearly impossible at that point. That is the point of Jyn, Cassian and K2 getting bottled necked. Why everyone else is pretty much dead at that point. They couldn't get off the planet.

 

[TheVileOne]

That shot was my avatar. I quite liked it. But if it doesn't make the final cut do to editing of the film, it doesn't make the final cut. I'd rather the director have control over that, then what the marketing company decided could be in the trailer and thus has to be in the movie.

It's still dishonest.

 

[TheVileOne]

Because getting off the planet became nearly impossible at that point. That is the point of Jyn, Cassian and K2 getting bottled necked. Why everyone else is pretty much dead at that point. They couldn't get off the planet.

Vader still should've killed them.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Vader still should've killed them.

I think Vader should have killed Krennic. Vader killing them doesn't work in terms of leaving the crowd on a high. Audiences weren't conflicted with Vader wiping out random Rebels. Him killing Jyn would have done that.

 

[Broseph44]

I think Vader should have killed Krennic. Vader killing them doesn't work in terms of leaving the crowd on a high. Audiences weren't conflicted with Vader wiping out random Rebels. Him killing Jyn would have done that.

I agree I would've liked to see him kill Krennic, but not the others. Would've been too much.

 

[Kane52630]