BvS Geography of Batman v Superman

[Fallen Angel]

Then he's not the King of Atlantis is he if they don't put it in the ATLANTIC?

 

[KillerWolf]

Then he's not the King of Atlantis is he if they don't put it in the ATLANTIC?

I already presented this theory in one of Aquaman's thread before, basically idea I had in mind is this one:

Plato, being somewhat inaccurate as he often is, wrongly placed the sunken island and its city he heard stories about in Atlantic and hence named it "Atlantis", but it is actually located in Pacific Ocean, where Polynesian islands are. Nevertheless, its inhabitants still call it "Atlantis" (possibly interchangeably with some local name) as that is how the surface dwellers call the place, since they falsely believe that this particular culture is located in the Atlantic Ocean.

Got it? t:

 

[Fallen Angel]

How drunk are you Wolfie? And its' only gone past 7 you fool.

 

[KillerWolf]

How drunk are you Wolfie? And its' only gone past 7 you fool.

Hey, it's a good theory! And it would certainly explain why those all enthusiastic divers never found it - "you idiots searched for us in the wrong place all the time."

Also, early in the evening is a perfect time to be drunk.

 

[Kane52630]

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[John-An]

I thought what Ben said about the juxtaposition of the wealth and success of Metropolis VS the more downtrodden Gotham City was pretty interesting. Sounds like that will be a key element of the film. Nice to see, and a bit deeper than "Dark, crime-ridden city" VS "Bright, futuristic city".

I agree but that doesn't mean that Gotham can't have a luxury area of rich people feeding from the poor and the hardworkers on industrial. That would make it so much more interesting if you ask me.

Snyder mentioned at the BvS panel at Comic-Con this weekend that Metrolpolis/Gotham is a San Francisco/Oakland correlation.

But I doubt they are that close...

On Radio KAL Michael Bailey said back in the old days (maybe the Golden Age) that Gotham used to be over the bridge from Metropolis so guess this is something they've taken from the comics still.

They didn't. Snyder said that they thought of that on their own and is not sure if it was ever the case in the comics, adding that given the long history of those, if they dug far enough they would probably find some comic book where that was the case.

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Just because two cities are twin cities doesn't necessarily mean they are within spitting distance of each other

Agreed.

Affleck said that people who live in Gotham and work in Metropolis take ferry to get to work in the other city. I'd say it's pretty close. I don't imagine people traveling three hours to work.

Maybe it's a Super-ferry

Right next door or halfway around the world, doesn't matter to a guy who can traverse. The world in minutes, if not tens of seconds. I figure Superman will be taking areas not under Batman's supervision.

Indeed like Snyder said, Superman doesn't care for a robbery as much as other more important situation around the globe. He can't do it all after all..

Shipping area is possible as well. Though I don't think that Wondy created all that fire (if it's her who created the bubble). Anyway, it didn't look like that bubble set anything ablaze. Though the sequence is rather quick, so it's really hard to tell.

Are we sure she caused that bubble? You said it yourself, trailers mislead sometimes.

Yeah… but best not to think about this too deeply. Typically, Metropolis is huge and culturally influential and home to the most prestigious newspaper in the country. I.e., it’s “New York City” (wink, wink). Indeed, this is why Clark moves to Metropolis and wants to work at The Daily Planet. It’s the “center of the world” and it’s the best place (for Superman) to keep tabs on super villains and various looming crises. But if NYC exists separately, why didn’t Clark move there and take a position with The New York Times?

Same goes for Gotham (which is also NYC ). According the DC “Superhero cities” map, Gotham’s annual crimes number 14,000. Now maybe that’s bad; but compared to NYC (with 50,000+ crimes) Gotham is a paradise. IOW, if NYC exists then Batman is working in the wrong place.

Or in the DCEU NYC may have other trates or statistics in crime? Maybe NYC is not the greatest but Metropolis is in this universe

I guess I was dead wrong and you and brandeezy89 were right. New quote from Snyder's production designer from Empire:

“There are other things happening too,” says Tatopoulos. “Gotham is a very different city from Metropolis. Metropolis is Toronto on Steroids. Gotham is Detroit.”

If Gotham is Detroit, Toronto as Metropolis does make a lot of sense given their geographical closeness.

So Oakland/San Francisco (19km) distance or Toronto/Detroit (370 km)?

Well, Detroit has a great aesthetic for Gotham in that it is a once great American industrial city that has rotten away from the inside due to poverty and crime.

That's why it's perfect for Gotham.

I already presented this theory in one of Aquaman's thread before, basically idea I had in mind is this one:

Plato, being somewhat inaccurate as he often is, wrongly placed the sunken island and its city he heard stories about in Atlantic and hence named it "Atlantis", but it is actually located in Pacific Ocean, where Polynesian islands are. Nevertheless, its inhabitants still call it "Atlantis" (possibly interchangeably with some local name) as that is how the surface dwellers call the place, since they falsely believe that this particular culture is located in the Atlantic Ocean.

Got it? t:

Atlantis is in the Atlantic Wolfie... The Polynesian side of Aquaman will be from his daddy I'm almost sure of that!

 

[KillerWolf]

Are we sure she caused that bubble? You said it yourself, trailers mislead sometimes.

We're not, of course, it could possibly be something else.

Atlantis is in the Atlantic Wolfie... The Polynesian side of Aquaman will be from his daddy I'm almost sure of that!

Polynesians in Maine, that are also tattooed from head to toe in tribal tats... don't know mate, I find this unlikely.

 

[dnno1]

Hey, it's a good theory! And it would certainly explain why those all enthusiastic divers never found it - "you idiots searched for us in the wrong place all the time."

Also, early in the evening is a perfect time to be drunk.

Not a bad angle, but you could also say that the place we know as Atlantis is actually part of a larger empire that spans accross the major oceans - the capital being in the Atlantic Ocean. How you explain Aquaman being Polynesian could be the same way you explain why Supeman looks human. It just worked out that way and location is not a factor in this universe.

 

[KillerWolf]

Not a bad angle, but you could also say that the place we know as Atlantis is actually part of a largwr empire that spans accross the major oceans - the capital bejng in the Atlantic Ocean. How you explain Aquaman being Polynesian could be the same way ypu explain why Supeman looks human. It just worked out that way.

Yeah, this approach would work as well.

 

[John-An]

We're not, of course, it could possibly be something else.



Polynesians in Maine, that are also tattooed from head to toe in tribal tats... don't know mate, I find this unlikely.

Why you say they can change Atlantis location but not his father location? It could be Hawaii or something like that... That's not farfetched if you ask me and is better than changing Atlantis place.

 

[KillerWolf]

Why you say they can change Atlantis location but not his father location? It could be Hawaii or something like that... That's not farfetched if you ask me and is better than changing Atlantis place.

So that Atlantis is in Atlantic Ocean and Arthur and his father would live on Polynesian isles in the Pacific Ocean?

Wherever it is, I think the two locations should correspond to one another. Or Arthur's mother was really desperate to come such a long way for a one-night stand.

 

[John-An]

Well... the ocean is big and if she was in some mission or even some conflict and Arthur's dad was in the middle I can see it.

 

[TripleJ]

Well, they did recently introduce Pacifica in the comics (apparently, Arthur's mother didn't die, she was in hiding in Pacifica).

They can play with that...just move Amnesty Bay to Hawaii or even one of the Polynesian Islands (who says all heroes have to be based in US?).

 

[Mightmitenot]

I have the same Chicago - NYC concept in my mind (also, i think Central City is Seattle) but it's true that in the comics they're across a bay too.
I just want each city to have its own respective surroundings and not be confined by the presense of the other. Somehow the gloomy marshes around gotham, or the island where Arkham is situated dont look so... gothamy, when shining Metropolis is seen across the bay.

In comics a state line and the presumed Missouri river seoarate Keystone from Central.

 

[John-An]

Well, they did recently introduce Pacifica in the comics (apparently, Arthur's mother didn't die, she was in hiding in Pacifica).

They can play with that...just move Amnesty Bay to Hawaii or even one of the Polynesian Islands (who says all heroes have to be based in US?).

Exactly!

 

[KillerWolf]

I suppose they could do something like that. I am curious to see how they'll tackle it.