It's really weird hearing (rather, reading) you go on about god and spirituality, considering we frequent the same pornography forum.
I read a book once, where a professor at my school was quoted saying that he believes that miracles can still exist, it's only that we don't have the reckless faith to allow those things to happen. When you get sick, most often you will go to the doctor. When you don't have food in the house, most often you will go to the grocery store. Will you pray to get better? Or will you pray for bread to rain down from Heaven?
OK, well, that's one man's take on it...if you like that point of view, or not.
Whether or not these parents had good faith, I don't know. Should they have taken their daughter to be treated? I think so. Prayer for healing did not save her life. It's awful, and tragic that her life ended...
And those of you who argue the argument of theodicy, and say - "Why all this suffering if God is there?" or "Give us a sign, give us a miracle, save us then if you are really there."
I don't think anyone's saying that, really.
The Israelites, led out of Egypt, out of slavery, they saw signs. Did they hold true to their faith?
Now, are we talking contextually, or historically? 'Cause if it's the latter, I can tell you we've got no proof, archaeological or otherwise, that any of that happened.
The people living in Jerusalem at the time of Jesus, watching Him heal those who were sick, and ressurect a man from the dead. Did they believe in Him?
Well, contextually, you'd have to look at it from a point of view suited to that time and place - there were hundreds of people, running around, performing miracles, and claiming to be the 'messiah.' This "Jayzus fella' could have very well been of the same ilk.
Historically, see above. While there is some historical basis for Jesus, namely the Rabbi ben Yeshua, most of that's
fiction.
The theif next to Jesus, taunting Him, saying - "If you are who you say you are, then save me. Show me a sign. Show me a miracle. SHOW me something. Otherwise, you're not real. You do no good for me."
Which, come on, makes sense. He's hanging up by his hands and feet, bleeding to death, and next to him is this man called "Yeshua," whom people are calling the Messiah. The man's in pain, and if you can't see that it makes sense that he'd ask Jesus to GET HIM OFF THAT EFFING CROSS, then, well -
And then there was the other man hanging next to him, who was on his own cross, for his own punishment. He took a leap of faith, and he believed in who Jesus said He was. Did Jesus save him from the cross? No, he didn't save him from death.
Sorry, dude, but you phrased that perfectly.
Then what good is faith if it won't save your life? Well...actually, there are still a lot of people who think it does.
So, you're in full support of them letting their girl die when treatment was a still viable option, you're saying?
ummm.....I think you might have me confused with someone else?
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