Rudy Giuliani Officially In 2008 Presidential Race

[The Chairman]

I'm not entirely convinced that he's trying to distance himself from Bush completely because he's suddenly waking up and seeing the light. The timing of it is too coincidental and makes me think that his handles are guiding him to do that because they know that being associated with Bush is the political kiss of death where the next Presidential election is concerned.

jag

I still think Giuliani is waking up and seeing the light. Like most of AMerica, he sees The Big Picture.

 

[jaguarr]

I still think Giuliani is waking up and seeing the light. Like most of AMerica, he sees The Big Picture.

America doesn't see the big picture, dude. They elected Bush...TWICE.

jag

 

[Chris B]

I recall reading a few times in the past that Guiliani's strategy as far as his social liberalism was concerned, is that he is going to try and frame those social issues as being libertarian nature. As a matter of fact, he recently said gun control wasn't really that neccesary in more suburban, rural areas. I know that the base of the Republican Party is going to want somebody who is a staunch conservative, but I just thought this tidbit should be thrown out there.

 

[Chris B]

America doesn't see the big picture, dude. They elected Bush...TWICE.

jag

I would attribute that to the fact that in 2000, the country had been under a Democratic administration for eight years and that people wanted change. The old two-term rule. As for 2004, I would say it was because 9/11 had occured relatively recently, the Iraq War wasn't as unpopular as it is now, and the fact that John Kerry wasn't that appealing of an alternative.

 

[The Chairman]

America doesn't see the big picture, dude. They elected Bush...TWICE.

jag

No, they've seen it, but they've seen it too late.

 

[PhotoJones]

America doesn't see the big picture, dude. They elected Bush...TWICE.

jag

game point.

 

[jaguarr]

I would attribute that to the fact that in 2000, the country had been under a Democratic administration for eight years and that people wanted change. The old two-term rule. As for 2004, I would say it was because 9/11 had occured relatively recently, the Iraq War wasn't as unpopular as it is now, and the fact that John Kerry wasn't that appealing of an alternative.

I'll attribute it more to people being sheep and the neo-cons and evangelicals preying upon that with some pretty well-crafted though not entirely honest rhetoric.

jag

 

[Chris B]

I'll attribute it more to people being sheep and the neo-cons and evangelicals preying upon that with some pretty well-crafted though not entirely honest rhetoric.

jag

Well, that was probably another factor.

 

[The Chairman]

I'll attribute it more to people being sheep and the neo-cons and evangelicals preying upon that with some pretty well-crafted though not entirely honest rhetoric.

jag

And that Kerry really wasn't any better.

 

[Spider-Bite]

Giulliani is not trying to distance himself from Bush. He's coming out as very pro war lately as an effort to try and make up for his social liberal policies. Those liberal positions will devestate him in the primary. The evangelical base will not vote for a pro partial birth abortion, pro gay marriage candidate. And swing voters will not vote for a pro war candidate either.

 

[StorminNorman]

Giulliani is not trying to distance himself from Bush. He's coming out as very pro war lately as an effort to try and make up for his social liberal policies. Those liberal positions will devestate him in the primary. The evangelical base will not vote for a pro partial birth abortion, pro gay marriage candidate. And swing voters will not vote for a pro war candidate either.

Lately? You make it seem like he is changing his stance.

People overestimate the liberal positions. For many conservatives, the number one issue is National Security, the number two issue is National Security, the number three issue is money and the number four issue is National Security. Abortion is only a huge factor among the very Christian Conservatives. Gun Control will hurt him, though.

The advantage he has though right now is the lack of competition. McCain has no shot, period. The numbers are horrible (a recent poll said over 45% would absolutely not vote for McCain) and he has many of the same problems hurting Guilani (Liberal). Romney is the only true competition Guilliani has, though even he has some problems on Gay Rights and Abortion issues - plus he doesn't have the National Security record Rudy has.

 

[PhotoJones]

Lately? You make it seem like he is changing his stance.

People overestimate the liberal positions. For many conservatives, the number one issue is National Security, the number two issue is National Security, the number three issue is money and the number four issue is National Security. Abortion is only a huge factor among the very Christian Conservatives. Gun Control will hurt him, though.

The advantage he has though right now is the lack of competition. McCain has no shot, period. The numbers are horrible (a recent poll said over 45% would absolutely not vote for McCain) and he has many of the same problems hurting Guilani (Liberal). Romney is the only true competition Guilliani has, though even he has some problems on Gay Rights and Abortion issues - plus he doesn't have the National Security record Rudy has.

meaning he doesn't hate gays? when did that become a problem?

also, mccain has NO chance whatsoever. his opponents will just bring up his friendship with fred phelps, and it'll be over.

 

[The Chairman]

Lately? You make it seem like he is changing his stance.

People overestimate the liberal positions. For many conservatives, the number one issue is National Security, the number two issue is National Security, the number three issue is money and the number four issue is National Security. Abortion is only a huge factor among the very Christian Conservatives. Gun Control will hurt him, though.

The advantage he has though right now is the lack of competition. McCain has no shot, period. The numbers are horrible (a recent poll said over 45% would absolutely not vote for McCain) and he has many of the same problems hurting Guilani (Liberal). Romney is the only true competition Guilliani has, though even he has some problems on Gay Rights and Abortion issues - plus he doesn't have the National Security record Rudy has.

You really know your stuff.

 

[SentinelMind]

Guilliani has no chance of getting the GOP nomination. He has a better chance reaching the White House as third party candidate. Three marriages, one that happened to be to his second cousin.....living with two gay roommates, pro-choice, pro-gay rights. You'll see a smear campaign like no other against Guilliani coming from McCain and Brownback. Yes, I agree all those things I mentioned are trivial (except for his social positions) and personal matters irrelevant to the office, but the rightwing that controls the GOP won't let those issues drop.

I think the GOP nominee will either be McCain, Brownback, or Huckabee. McCain and Huckabee seem like "safe, traditional" candidates typically nominated by Republicans. Brownback can win, but his rhetoric might turn off the slightly moderate/conservative bunch who don't want to seem like bigot. Romney is touted alot, but I think a pro-choice flipflopper from Massachussets isn't going anywhere in the GOP nomination.

If Guilliani were to win the nomination, he'd win the election hands down, no one can stop him. But the GOP nomination is a huge hurdle.

Guilliani has been a pretty good manager of NYC I suppose, but I don't think I'd support his foriegn policy initiatives and worry that he's not good with civil liberties. I'm a Democrat btw and will never vote for Guilliani.

 

[Darth Elektra]

I heard he was leading in a poll with like 40percent with McCain at like 24.

 

[PhotoJones]

I heard he was leading in a poll with like 40percent with McCain at like 24.

could be. polls are pretty worthless, though.

 

[Spider-Bite]

Lately? You make it seem like he is changing his stance.

People overestimate the liberal positions. For many conservatives, the number one issue is National Security, the number two issue is National Security, the number three issue is money and the number four issue is National Security. Abortion is only a huge factor among the very Christian Conservatives. Gun Control will hurt him, though.

The advantage he has though right now is the lack of competition. McCain has no shot, period. The numbers are horrible (a recent poll said over 45% would absolutely not vote for McCain) and he has many of the same problems hurting Guilani (Liberal). Romney is the only true competition Guilliani has, though even he has some problems on Gay Rights and Abortion issues - plus he doesn't have the National Security record Rudy has.

Christains who attend church once a week or more make up like 60 to 70 percent of the republican base. When polled they say their top priority issue is moral values/gay marriage/ abortion.