Rudy Giuliani Officially In 2008 Presidential Race

[hippie_hunter]

Yes because I am endorsing the NAZI party.



Isn't there a law that covers this type of thing, godmans or something?

Dude, the Republicans aren't even Republican enough for you. That says a lot on your politics. And this is from a person who is a Republican. Who doesn't beleive that George W. Bush is the worst thing to happen to America, etc.

 

[mwm1331]

Dude, the Republicans aren't even Republican enough for you. That says a lot on your politics. And this is from a person who is a Republican. Who doesn't beleive that George W. Bush is the worst thing to happen to America, etc.

Lets see, fastest spending in what 20 years? Medicare Part D, Lack of willingness to really fight for personal accounts, no action on lobbying, earmark, or budget reform untill their asses were on the line.
What part of those actions were "republican"
Other than the tax cuts, name one damn thing the Republicans have done in the last 7 years that is "conservative"
Hell even the Iraq war was more in line with classical liberalism ala Kenennedy than tradiotnal conservativsm.

Now how exactly does opposing letting the federal government grow like topsy, increasing entitlement spending, keeping a massive and unsustainable drain of the national resources, and not having the courage to actually represent, make me a NAZI?

 

[The Chairman]

good for you.

it's refreshing when a religious person can take an honest look at their own religion without denouncing it completely.

gives me hope...

Thanks. Not to sound full of myslef, but I wish more Christians would be as open-minded as me.

 

[hippie_hunter]

Lets see, fastest spending in what 20 years? Medicare Part D, Lack of willingness to really fight for personal accounts, no action on lobbying, earmark, or budget reform untill their asses were on the line.
What part of those actions were "republican"
Other than the tax cuts, name one damn thing the Republicans have done in the last 7 years that is "conservative"
Hell even the Iraq war was more in line with classical liberalism ala Kenennedy than tradiotnal conservativsm.

Now how exactly does opposing letting the federal government grow like topsy, increasing entitlement spending, keeping a massive and unsustainable drain of the national resources, and not having the courage to actually represent, make me a NAZI?

I'm not saying that you are a Nazi, but your opinions are very far out there to the right. It is just an expression, not a literal meaning. The Republicans ended up the way they are because they got arrogant and thought that they could do anything they want.

And yes they have supported some "conservative" things

- oppose abortion

- support a strong national defense

- oppose gay marriage

- assertive foreign policy

- cutting taxes and tax breaks

- becomming rather involved with the "religious" right

 

[Matt]

As super-liberal?
NO thats Clark Kent.
I see McCain as a moderate. I don't know anyone who sees him as a "superliberal"

Its called exaggeration it is a common device in the English language used to put emphasis on a point. It is usually untrue to the point of absurdity.

 

[PhotoJones]

Thanks. Not to sound full of myslef, but I wish more Christians would be as open-minded as me.

uh...me too.

 

[The Chairman]

uh...me too.

Cool.

 

[hippie_hunter]

Thanks. Not to sound full of myslef, but I wish more Christians would be as open-minded as me.

To be fair, I think all of us somewhat think that the world would be better off if they thought like them.

 

[mwm1331]

I'm not saying that you are a Nazi, but your opinions are very far out there to the right. It is just an expression, not a literal meaning. The Republicans ended up the way they are because they got arrogant and thought that they could do anything they want.

And yes they have supported some "conservative" things
- oppose abortion

honestly thats one of the few things they did right.

- oppose gay marriage

If they were truly conservative they would have taken Marriage out of the hands of the federal government and let the states handle it.
Theres nothing conservative about the federal government regulating marriage in any way shape or form.

- cutting taxes and tax breaks

Which doesn't helop as much as it could if you also exercise fiscal dscipline, instead they did what the dems do and treated the national wealth as thier own private piggybank

- becomming rather involved with the "religious" right

Did they actually do anything about it?
Yes they talked a lot, but they didn't really do much.

 

[The Chairman]

To be fair, I think all of us somewhat think that the world would be better off if they thought like them.

If who thought like who?

 

[hippie_hunter]

honestly thats one of the few things they did right.

If there is out right non-restricted abortion and completely banned abortion, there is just going to be a whole Pandora's Box of trouble. Keep abortion laws the way they are now.

If they were truly conservative they would have taken Marriage out of the hands of the federal government and let the states handle it.
Theres nothing conservative about the federal government regulating marriage in any way shape or form.

The neo-con leadership has basically allowed the states handle it. It's why gay marriage is banned in pretty much every state.

Which doesn't helop as much as it could if you also exercise fiscal dscipline, instead they did what the dems do and treated the national wealth as thier own private piggybank

Very true.

Did they actually do anything about it?
Yes they talked a lot, but they didn't really do much.

Well, it helped George W. Bush get elected again. They agree on the same platforms concerning gay marriage, abortion, and other issues.

 

[hippie_hunter]

If who thought like who?

Like you said, you think that more Christians should think like you. I think that most of us are guilty of such thinking that more people should think how we ourselves do.

I've thought that the US would do better off if more people thought like me. Do I endorse the idea, hell no, but I have thought of it before.

 

[PhotoJones]

If there is out right non-restricted abortion and completely banned abortion, there is just going to be a whole Pandora's Box of trouble. Keep abortion laws the way they are now.

i agree 100%. you are correct on that one.

 

[mwm1331]

Hippy I can't agree with you on abortion. Iys immoral and barbaric.
We can, as reasonable people, debate whether or not a fetus is a person, and entailed to the rights of one.
But its a biological fact that life starts at conception.
And I can't support the slaughter of true innocents for convenience.

 

[PhotoJones]

Hippy I can't agree with you on abortion. Iys immoral and barbaric.
We can, as reasonable people, debate whether or not a fetus is a person, and entailed to the rights of one.
But its a biological fact that life starts at conception.
And I can't support the slaughter of true innocents for convenience.

i've been wondering about asking you this for a little while now. it might seem like bad taste, but here goes:

if president bush wanted you to do a "favor" for him, would you do it?

think real hard, now. on the one hand, it's "amoral". but on the other hand, it's bush. your hero.

what do you do?

 

[hippie_hunter]

Hippy I can't agree with you on abortion. Iys immoral and barbaric.
We can, as reasonable people, debate whether or not a fetus is a person, and entailed to the rights of one.
But its a biological fact that life starts at conception.
And I can't support the slaughter of true innocents for convenience.

Yes, abortion is immoral. I do favor laws that restrict abortion, but abortion CANNOT be banned. Abortion should be legal around embryos (which is technically just a clump of cells), cases of rape, the fetus having potential defects, and the very early stages of fetal development. I support parental notification concerning abortion.

Anything past that should be illegal, the fetus does exhibit traces of human development such as brain activity.

We cannot ban abortion because women who do want one are going to do it anyways. They'll go to "clinics" that are unhealthy and not clean. They'll use wire hangers. Whatever. Things like this will lead to bodily harm for not only the fetus, but also for the woman.

 

[StorminNorman]

Many pro-lifers would rather stay home than vote for a pro-choice republican.

National Security would prevent that from being a real issue.

 

[PhotoJones]

Yes, abortion is immoral. I do favor laws that restrict abortion, but abortion CANNOT be banned. Abortion should be legal around embryos (which is technically just a clump of cells), cases of rape, the fetus having potential defects, and the very early stages of fetal development. I support parental notification concerning abortion.

Anything past that should be illegal, the fetus does exhibit traces of human development such as brain activity.

We cannot ban abortion because women who do want one are going to do it anyways. They'll go to "clinics" that are unhealthy and not clean. They'll use wire hangers. Whatever. Things like this will lead to bodily harm for not only the fetus, but also for the woman.

for as liberal as i might be, again, i say that i agree 100%. you are correct, sir.

 

[mwm1331]

Yes, abortion is immoral. I do favor laws that restrict abortion, but abortion CANNOT be banned. Abortion should be legal around embryos (which is technically just a clump of cells), cases of rape, the fetus having potential defects, and the very early stages of fetal development. I support parental notification concerning abortion.

Anything past that should be illegal, the fetus does exhibit traces of human development such as brain activity.

We cannot ban abortion because women who do want one are going to do it anyways. They'll go to "clinics" that are unhealthy and not clean. They'll use wire hangers. Whatever. Things like this will lead to bodily harm for not only the fetus, but also for the woman.

Crackhead still do crack, domestic abusers will still abuse thier wives, etc.
A clump of cells or not, its a living human life.
Unless that life has volutarily given up its right to life, through either its own actions, (murder etc.) or through enlisting in an armed force in a war, its immoral.

 

[mwm1331]

i've been wondering about asking you this for a little while now. it might seem like bad taste, but here goes:

if president bush wanted you to do a "favor" for him, would you do it?

think real hard, now. on the one hand, it's "amoral". but on the other hand, it's bush. your hero.

what do you do?

huh?
What do you mean by favor?
And I like bush, allthough I wouldn't define him as a hero.

 

[hippie_hunter]

A clump of cells or not, its a living human life.

That's like saying that a very small piece of your skin is a human life. Or a strand of hair. Or a tiny portion of your liver. A fetus on the other hand is completely different.

Unless that life has volutarily given up its right to life, through either its own actions, (murder etc.) or through enlisting in an armed force in a war, its immoral.

Hence why I said that abortion is immoral.

 

[hippie_hunter]

huh?
What do you mean by favor?
And I like bush, allthough I wouldn't define him as a hero.

Blow job

 

[Kritish]

Giuliani will never win, he doesn't hate gays and he doesn't think that that everyone should be allowed to own a gun. He's too smart for the Republicans to like and therefore it will never work.
It's either going to be Obama or Hillary, my bet's on Obama.

 

[mwm1331]

That's like saying that a very small piece of your skin is a human life. Or a strand of hair. Or a tiny portion of your liver. A fetus on the other hand is completely different.

No its really not. A strand of hair will never be anything more than that. A fetus, at every stage, is growing rapidly, devloping at an amazing pace. A strand of hair is always a strand of hair, a part of the whole, a fetus is the whole.

Hence why I said that abortion is immoral.

I don't see why we have to compromise for convenience.

 

[mwm1331]

Blow job

never mind then, thought it was a serious question.