God, Star Wars Episode III sucked

[Matt]

I just caught it on HBO, for the first time since seeing it in theaters...I didn't remember how horrendous it is.

The plot is wretched.

The acting, ugh. I don't care what anyone says about Hayden Christensen being a good actor...he is pathetic in these movies. The tone of his voice never changes. He is ridiculously bad.

And the final duel? Oh god, everyone says how amazing it is...but what the hell? It is CGI models of Ewan McGreggor and Hayden Christensen jumping around. Thats it. Its almost as bad as Yoda's ridiculously stupid fights.

Don't even get me started on Palpatine. In one movie...one scene, Lucas turned Palpatine from one of the most bad ass villians of all time into a bumbling idiot..."NONONONONO"...

Palpatine and Yoda should've never used lightsabers. They should've been so powerful with the force they did not need them. The less you see of them the better. They just vent out a sense of power. They don't need to be flipping around like CGI-jackasses.

Star Wars Episode III was an insult. Plain and simple.

 

[Upset Spideyfan]

Personally, for me the biggest crime of this movie, even more than the "Nooo!" or "She's Lost the Will to Live" is that Anakin actually believes that the Jedi were planning to take over. Its a move designed to create sympathy for Anakin and try and create some sort of justification for his efforts, when all it really does is make him look like a fool and lessen the impact of his turn.

 

[Speedball]

please, just let this thread DIE!
We've got like 15,000 PT bashing threads already. We don't need another.

 

[Mister J]

 

[Matt]

Personally, for me the biggest crime of this movie, even more than the "Nooo!" or "She's Lost the Will to Live" is that Anakin actually believes that the Jedi were planning to take over. Its a move designed to create sympathy for Anakin and try and create some sort of justification for his efforts, when all it really does is make him look like a fool and lessen the impact of his turn.

Oh, tell me about it. The entire "From my point of view, you're evil!" line made me cringe. It completely goes against the characterization of Anakin. When he kills a high ranking officer for making a mistake, there is no question...that is evil. When he freezes Han Solo in carbonite to sell him to Jabba the Hutt, there is no question...that is evil. When he destroys an entire planet...there is no question...that is evil. Darth Vader, even when he becomes sympathetic at the end of Jedi is still very aware of what he is. An evil man. The fact that they tried to pull all that shades of gray bull**** is just disrespectful to the character.

I hate the way they made Anakin's circumstances so horrible that he really had no choice but to turn evil. Anakin should've been fully aware of the monster he was becoming and accepted it.

 

[Matt]

please, just let this thread DIE!
We've got like 15,000 PT bashing threads already. We don't need another.

Or here is a shocking idea. You just don't click on the thread

 

[Upset Spideyfan]

Oh, tell me about it. The entire "From my point of view, you're evil!" line made me cringe. It completely goes against the characterization of Anakin. When he kills a high ranking officer for making a mistake, there is no question...that is evil. When he freezes Han Solo in carbonite to sell him to Jabba the Hutt, there is no question...that is evil. When he destroys an entire planet...there is no question...that is evil. Darth Vader, even when he becomes sympathetic at the end of Jedi is still very aware of what he is. An evil man. The fact that they tried to pull all that shades of gray bull**** is just disrespectful to the character.

I hate the way they made Anakin's circumstances so horrible that he really had no choice but to turn evil. Anakin should've been fully aware of the monster he was becoming and accepted it.

I was rambling off with someone about this, like a week ago (RoTS was on tv) and we started talking about what Lucas did with Anakin and I felt that he was on the right track when he made him a slave during his youth, because it really sort of puts the character in the right frame of mind. I was powerless before and I never will be again. But when we meet him in TPM, Lucas throws away that potential by having Anakin be the sweetest, nicest thing you've ever seen. When in reality he should a decent and good human being but one with a chip on his shoulder. We were just shooting the crap and I think it would have been a much cooler if Qui Gon and Anakin first meet after Anakin tries to steal his lightsaber (or something like that) while they're on Tatooine.

But anyway, and actually my Dad first mentioned this after TPM first showed up and he was trying to guess what would happen and he says something to the effect that division between Anakin and the Jedi should have formed, at least initially, over Anakin's insistance that the slaves on Tatooine be freed and the Jedi's refusal to do so (since it was out of the Republic's jurisdiction, or that they had to use their power with care) or something like that.

Oh well. Lost oppurtunities.

 

[Matt]

I was rambling off with someone about this, like a week ago (RoTS was on tv) and we started talking about what Lucas did with Anakin and I felt that he was on the right track when he made him a slave during his youth, because it really sort of puts the character in the right frame of mind. I was powerless before and I never will be again. But when we meet him in TPM, Lucas throws away that potential by having Anakin be the sweetest, nicest thing you've ever seen. When in reality he should a decent and good human being but one with a chip on his shoulder. We were just shooting the crap and I think it would have been a much cooler if Qui Gon and Anakin first meet after Anakin tries to steal his lightsaber (or something like that) while they're on Tatooine.

But anyway, and actually my Dad first mentioned this after TPM first showed up and he was trying to guess what would happen and he says something to the effect that division between Anakin and the Jedi should have formed, at least initially, over Anakin's insistance that the slaves on Tatooine be freed and the Jedi's refusal to do so (since it was out of the Republic's jurisdiction, or that they had to use their power with care) or something like that.

Oh well. Lost oppurtunities.

I don't even get how Anakin was a 'slave'. He and his mother had their own house, they made wages, they had an hourly scheduel (Watto tells him he could go home early). It seems more like they had crappy jobs than being 'slaves'.

 

[hippie_hunter]

I don't even get how Anakin was a 'slave'. He and his mother had their own house, they made wages, they had an hourly scheduel (Watto tells him he could go home early). It seems more like they had crappy jobs than being 'slaves'.

Watto owned them and they had no possibility of fleeing. That makes them slaves. He even sold Anakin's mother to another person.

 

[Octoberist]

my digital effects instructor made a good point: With a real set or even minatures, it's amazing how light bounces off on certain objects or how it affects the enviorment. If everything thing is copy via CGI and green screen, it doesn't have the geniune look that GOD (or light bulbs) can do IN REAL LIFE.

 

[The Kid]

You don't like rots, matt?

*dies for no reason*

 

[The Kid]

my digital effects instructor made a good point: With a real set or even minatures, it's amazing how light bounces off on certain objects or how it affects the enviorment. If everything thing is copy via CGI and green screen, it doesn't have the geniune look that GOD (or light bulbs) can do IN REAL LIFE.

very true. It looks like what it is, something that never existed in our world outside of a microchip. Whereas practical effects and animatronics will always have that edge of believability in terms of existence since they actually exist and bound by the same laws of physics as us.

 

[Octoberist]

it seems like you came back to life to respond to my awesome post. Thank you. RIP.

 

[StarWarsAgent]

So you hate Episode 3,so don't watch it.
Can the mods lock this now? like you locked my LOTR's thread? Because I didn't like it?

 

[StarWarsAgent]

For those who still have no education on how ROTS was made. I suggest you get the Making of Star Wars Revenge of the Sith. By J.W Rinzler. only by reading and educating yourself could you make the right assuptions about ROTS. Like I said, Again..ROTS is 70% sets...but because all of you are blind and think everything is CGI now, you assume those sets are made by CGI. please get the book..go to a local library and read a book.

 

[Wilhelm-Scream]

If you would bother to read the thread you'd see that most of the complaints are about the acting, plot and script.

 

[Darren Daring]

Personally, for me the biggest crime of this movie, even more than the "Nooo!" or "She's Lost the Will to Live" is that Anakin actually believes that the Jedi were planning to take over. Its a move designed to create sympathy for Anakin and try and create some sort of justification for his efforts, when all it really does is make him look like a fool and lessen the impact of his turn.

The Jedi were going to take over. That's why Mace and Co. went over to Palpatine's house.

 

[BatJeff7786]

Yup, we can never go 3 months without a "Matt bashes the Prequels" thread.

 

[StarWarsAgent]

If you would bother to read the thread you'd see that most of the complaints are about the acting, plot and script.

If you read my LOTR's thread that I started last night it was about the same..Plot, acting. etc. but it still got locked. For no reason at all, but the mod saying that I didn't like it so what.


look, I am not blind. it's obviouly cool here to bash star wars here..but not LOTR's.

 

[War Lord]

I thought the third movie was the best of the first three, with the fifth being the best of the lot.

 

[Darren Daring]

If you read my LOTR's thread that I started last night it was about the same..Plot, acting. etc. but it still got locked. For no reason at all, but the mod saying that I didn't like it so what.


look, I am not blind. it's obviouly cool here to bash star wars here..but not LOTR's.

That's true, it's in the F.A.Q.s

 

[Addendum]

If you read my LOTR's thread that I started last night it was about the same..Plot, acting. etc. but it still got locked. For no reason at all, but the mod saying that I didn't like it so what.


look, I am not blind. it's obviouly cool here to bash star wars here..but not LOTR's.

Actually, it's because people here like Matt.

 

[LEX]

I will never forget the atrocious dialogue between Anakin and Padmé on the balcony. Just thinking about it bleeds my ears.

And what was the reason for Palpatine to idiotically mumble "Powah", "NONONO" or "...Galaktic! Emparrh!"? I never really understood why. Was it genetic or just to shield his Senator identity from the Jedi? Either way is absurd.

However, I did enjoy Yoda throwing his lightsaber at the Stormtrooper, stabbing him, jumping on him and pulling it out before striking a pose. Bloody brilliant.

 

[the_ultimate_evil]

at least that drawing actually makes the scene dramatic

 

[Upset Spideyfan]

The Jedi were going to take over. That's why Mace and Co. went over to Palpatine's house.

Initially, Windu was going to head over there to inform Palpatine that Grevious was beaten and to ensure that he turned emergency power back to the Senate and so forth. After Anakin told him that he was a Sith Lord, and therefore the force behind the war in the first place and Mace not being a fool realized that there was practically no chance that Palpatine was going to come along peacefully. Unfortunately, Mace isn't the brightest bulb in the bunch and took the three worst Jedi in the Order with him.


I mean what did Anakin expect was going to happen? That Palpatine was going to throw his hands up in the air and say "And I was so close" and go along with the Jedi to face a trial for WAR crimes? And when Anakin does show up the whole place is trashed and Mace's Jedi are lying dead on the floor. What the hell does he think happened to them?

The Jedi weren't there to take over the Republic.