Godzilla (2014) - - Part 11

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The comparison to Jaws is extremely flawed.

The shark in Jaws drives the plot by causing hell for everyone right from the get go in the very first scene. Godzilla does NOT drive the plot in this film. He is a reactionary character and he doesn't show up until an hour into it.

To make matters worse, the human characters are very boring in Godzilla. The three lead characters in Jaws were very interesting. Massive difference between the two films.

I think the Joker in TDK was a much better modern representation of the Jaws type of storytelling. He shows up right at the beginning, then pops back in occasionally to cause all kinds of hell for the other characters. Unfortunately Godzilla doesn't do this. Most of the plot is driven by two other monsters.

I don't think it's flawed at all. Often times, it seems that people think a comparison should fit in the most absolute sense, as if it were a piece of a jigsaw puzzle. I see it differently; it's about the general execution of a particular concept, not matching things blow for blow.

With that said, I think the Jaws comparison fits fairly well.
 
I am fine with Godzilla's role in the movie as it is. Yes, the MUTOs drive almost the entire story but I actually found them intriguing. Godzilla is nothing more than a hunter (for food or...what?) but he still delivers true Godzilla action in the finale. I wouldn't consider him the true hero of the picture, but of course the movie is going to be named after him. I think a sequel would benefit from some intended city destruction. I don't wanna say this is "Godzilla Begins," but with such a blank slate, they've got to be some real dummies to not expand the character in anyway for subsequent features.
 
But this is what Godzilla's known for! Massive destruction and facing off either against man or beast! That is what people want to see! No one is saying that should be all the film's about. Everyone wants a good story with compelling characters. But the movie (and star attraction) is called GODZILLA. It's not like Jurassuc Park was called T-REX and we only got 15 minutes of the dude. That film not only had good characters and heart, but a slew of other dinosaurs going for it as well.

Most Godzilla films only have Godzilla in them for like 20 minutes as well though. This played out pretty much like a traditional Godzilla film with a Spielbergian twist.
 
Wow, I loved it.

Have no idea why so many did not enjoy this film.

Read what they wrote, then; there's plenty of well articulated judgments on the film in this very thread. It's not as if people are being unintelligible and unreasonable in their criticisms.
 
That's an interesting way to look at it, and although I never thought of it that way myself, I'd still argue that it doesn't quite measure up in that respect as well.

As the quiet gunslinger, he didn't IMO receive a fitting buildup to his grand entrance. It was a very striking introduction (like I said, visuals and imagery were top-notch), but as others have pointed out, the payoffs fell very flat (or weren't there at all); often times, they weren't properly structured or given enough time to linger and/or breathe. I think that for a film like this to work, the supporting cast and their plight has to be compelling. Otherwise, where is the significance of the hero's intervention? The supporting cast just wasn't very interesting here, at all. Cranston turned in an excellent performance, but his arc ended rather abruptly, and the rest of the cast were cardboard cutouts to the nth degree. Barring all of that, I can't recall a western whereby the gunslinger was as much of an afterthought as Godzilla was in this movie. I get what they were going for in this regard, but it could have been executed much better.

I'm all for slow-burn storytelling, but it has to be done well to resonate with me. Nolan is masterclass when it comes to this; he can do escalation, anticipation, and tension right up there with the best of them (just an example; please, nobody kill me), but here, Edwards doesn't seem to know how to seamlessly intertwine the drama with the looming presence of the titans in the movie. Every time Godzilla showed up, it was very sudden and anticlimactic. The way he was integrated also clashes somewhat with the internal logic of the film, which really sucked out most of the impact of his appearances. For me, it wasn't even his limited screen time that got to me; that's a very arbitrary complaint (Silence of the Lambs says hello) for me, it's just that there was no appropriate structure to most of his appearances - buildup, appearance, payoff, transition...it was all very flat and run-of-the-mill. That's not what I imagine when I think of the better westerns and their anti-heroes.

I'm starting to belabor my point so again, I'll stop for now until I can organize my thoughts more coherently. Whatever the case, there isn't any particular lens through which I can view this movie in an overall positive light. It was just very 'meh' for me.

I agree that it's not the best interpretation of the classic anti-hero saving the day type of story. For one you're dealing with a monster so it's hard to get into that type of characters head so even though Godzilla is the 'gunslinger' as it were you're already on the back foot in terms of character arc. He's a supporting character because ultimately unlike a human gunslinger you can't flesh out who he is through subtleties in dialog and action, you're kinda stuck with him being an absolute. I think where we may differ is that for the most part I kinda found the supporting cast interesting enough to get me through the movie. They were all very surface level characters admittedly, they were kind of just there to serve their particular roles, the soldier, the wife, the scientist, the general, etc, but I think the acting for the most part was solid enough from everyone to make the journey worthwhile. I don't think the cast was wasted, I think everyone did the best they could with the limited resources available to them, I don't even think Taylor-Johnson was as bad as is being made out by some. But I can see where you are coming from.
 
Do the MUTOs have their own destruction scenes apart from Godzilla?
 
With that said, I think the Jaws comparison fits fairly well.

I don't think so.

The shark shows up in the first scene and immediately drives the plot. Godzilla never drives the plot and doesn't show up until an hour into it (for all of 30 seconds). Not to mention Godzilla's human characters are boring as hell, whereas the three lead human characters in Jaws are very entertaining.
 
But this is what Godzilla's known for! Massive destruction and facing off either against man or beast! That is what people want to see! No one is saying that should be all the film's about. Everyone wants a good story with compelling characters. But the movie (and star attraction) is called GODZILLA. It's not like Jurassuc Park was called T-REX and we only got 15 minutes of the dude. That film not only had good characters and heart, but a slew of other dinosaurs going for it as well.

I'm just bummed. My most anticipated movie of the year. And I haven't even seen it yet LOL.

Here's my advice. Delete the movie you have in your head at the moment and take an open mind into the theatre. If you've got this idea of how you want it to be you're probably going to be disappointed so try if you can to let whatever ideas you have go and just take the film as it comes.
 
I just watched the original Godzilla for the first time last night, and I have to say, it didn't seem to me like he had that much actual screen time in that one, either. I'll be interested in seeing how much less it feels like he has in this one.
 
I just watched the original Godzilla for the first time last night, and I have to say, it didn't seem to me like he had that much actual screen time in that one, either.

He didn't, but he drove the plot. Unfortunately, the same cannot be said of the 2014 film. The issue is not the total screentime, it is the lack of spacing for said screentime and the fact that none of it drives the story. His appearance is completely reactionary to other characters.
 
He didn't, but he drove the plot. Unfortunately, the same cannot be said of the 2014 film.
True, all the non-Godzilla scenes were still about him in some way. Shame that's not the case with this one, but of course I don't want to judge that decision 'til I've seen it.
 
King Kong (2005) > Godzilla (2014) = Cloverfield > Pacific Rim

Not sure if anyone would agree that these movies can be compared with one another, but tthats how its gonna be. ;)
 
I don't think so.

The shark shows up in the first scene and immediately drives the plot. Godzilla never drives the plot and doesn't show up until an hour into it (for all of 30 seconds). Not to mention Godzilla's human characters are boring as hell, whereas the three lead human characters in Jaws are very entertaining.

Fair enough. In that respect at least, I guess we just see it differently.

You make good points in the strictest sense, but I look at it from a more broad point of view.

With Jaws, you have an unpredictable force of nature as a looming threat that hangs in the balance and is also a persistent threat. This enthralls the audience in the movie; it pulls you in and makes your heart beat in time with the characters that are in danger. I'm sure that it's an exceptionally difficult thing to pull off as a filmmaker, but in the case of this movie, it doesn't even feel like it was attempted here.

In Godzilla, the titular monster felt neither looming nor persistent, which is fair in a sense, because he wasn't the villain this time around, but the threat of two titanic opposing forces could (and really should by default) have exploited some degree of escalation, fear, and tension to give more weight to their eventual clash. Speaking of that, I really didn't appreciate how so many of the characters seemed rather calm about the whole ordeal. I absolutely hate to say this, but Roland Emmerich has done a better job in his disaster films of showing the frantic attitude of the people in peril during these unpredictable crises. Then again, his Godzilla movie was all kinds of awful, excitement and peril notwithstanding.
 
Did the monster in Cloverfield have more screen time than Godzilla?
 
Did the monster in Cloverfield have more screen time than Godzilla?
I don't think it's as much about screen time as it is about impact. Godzilla himself is fairly inconsequential to the plot of this movie, whereas in Cloverfield, the monster is the plot. Keep in mind, however, that Godzilla isn't a rampaging, scared animal like the Cloverfield monster is, so take that with a grain of salt. He has but one very specific purpose in this movie.
 
Some initial thoughts:

Overall I liked it but was underwhelmed.

Bryan Cranston [BLACKOUT]died way too fast and in a lame way.[/BLACKOUT]

Aaron Taylor-Johnson is a bland and un charismatic lead but adequate for his thin character. Olsen did the best she could with what little she had, while Watanabe and Strathairn were generic stock characters. Acting was nothing special from anyone except maybe Cranston.

The MUTOs were cool. But if they're parasites, why did she just make her nest in a random location?

Some really cool scenes that stick out to me were the whole Hawaii sequence, halo jump, both bridge scenes, and atomic breath.

The Hawaii cock block didn't bother me as much as some here, and I got a laugh out of the boy's dinosaur line.

But I do agree that Godzilla feels like a guest star in a MUTO movie. He's vaguely explained and it's even flimsier why he's coming after the MUTOs, with Watanabe's throwaway line about him being nature's instrument of restoring balance. It felt like a chapter in an ongoing Godzilla series, not the intro to a reboot.

It did have the old school feel of a Godzilla movie from the 80s or 90s just with updated effects obviously, which I liked. Unfortunately this also came complete with old Godzilla movies' blank characters and corny dialogue (poor Ken Watanabe stuck trying to make all his melodramatic exposition sound profound).

Edwards had some really cool shots, like the whole halo jump and the train crash. Very well filmed sequences.

The MUTOs were cool adversaries, even though[BLACKOUT]they both went down a little weak.[/BLACKOUT]
 
Just saw the movie, and I thought it was pretty good. Good thing to know, given my birthday was the 15th, and since most of my day was crappy, if this movie was too, it would've been a horrible birthday. Thankfully, it wasn't ;)

Godzilla: The King is back!
 
And yea the trailers were super misleading in making Godzilla look centric, making Godzilla look responsible for the destruction, and giving me the vibe of an updated 1954 style movie where he's this unstoppable force of destruction. The trailers really built up this ominous tone and made Godzilla seem terrifying, when in the movie he's practically a hero.
 
Imagine, if you will, that the movie Wedding Crashers was instead entitled "Chazz" after Will Ferrell's character in it. You go to "Chazz", really hoping to enjoy a funny comedy with Will Ferrell in it. Now, those few minutes that Will Ferrell are in it are great but...... why the hell did they call it "Chazz"??? He just has a cameo in it!!! The movie spends 99% of its screen time on other characters.

Such was my question coming out of Godzilla. What a wasted opportunity. Ugh.
 
And yea the trailers were super misleading in making Godzilla look centric, making Godzilla look responsible for the destruction, and giving me the vibe of an updated 1954 style movie where he's this unstoppable force of destruction. The trailers really built up this ominous tone and made Godzilla seem terrifying, when in the movie he's practically a hero.

Yep, pretty misleading. If this was not titled Godzilla, you wouldn't even know he's supposed to be the main character. The other monsters are the ones driving the plot and receiving most of the story focus for the first 90 minutes.
 
Two other memorable moments I just thought of:
the look between Ford and Godzilla, and the female MUTO's pained-sounding cries when Ford destroyed her offspring.
 
Comparisons to Jaws are ill-fitting. The MUTOs are the "villains" here, not Godzilla.
 
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