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redhawk23 said:
Kind of.

Its pretty much exactly the same as the description from the toy boxes.

Godzilla is part of an ancient species that lived in a time when the surface radiation of the planet was many times more than now. When the radiation decreased, ancient beast took refuge in the bottoms of the oceans or underground, feeding on radiation from the core. (Is the core radioactive(? The MUTO's are parasite species that fed on Godzilla's species. The film opens with a mining team discovering dormant MUTO spores still living within the skeleton remains of an even bigger relative of Godzilla.

Godzilla himself was dormant in the ocean for millions of years. In 1954 the first nuclear sub explored an underwater trench and the radiation awoke Godzilla...to more or less no consequence. Bearzilla is pretty chill, doesn't destroy many things.
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That sounds f***ing awesome!
 
Mister J said:
The MUTOs did get more expository than I imagined, which I appreciated. Interesting story in setting the backdrop there.


Both. :word:
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Awesome! Go heat! Watching the movie tonight at dolphin mall :)
 
Goddam, that was incredible.

Hype through the roof ever since it was announced, hype even higher after seeing Monsters a bit after that.

First of all, the opening is really cool & sets up the fact that the sound design & mix in this movie is going to be off the charts.

The script imo is solid, it's kind of complicated in a Kaiju movie to care about the story & characters imo since I assume you kinda want to see the monster action most of all. It's well handled (even more if you read the great prequel comics Godzilla Awakening), fairly straightforward like you'd expect, but there's an effort here to ground it and make you feel more involved.

MOARRRRRRRR BRYAN CRANSTON is the first thing I wanna say right after that, and it's been said by a few people, I'd say he has about 15 min screentime tops & I didn't expect him
to just bite it just like that
but I think it's the nature of his character, he nails it but they might have done something a bit more interesting with him although his character in the end just serves a very simple purpose.

The movie is first & foremost Aaron's show as it's been said, he does a good job with what he's given, certainly not his finest performance but it'd be foolish to expect more considering the genre of the movie, his character is very much a stock character, archetype that serves his purpose very simply, and is relatable & sympathetic. All in all, I like his character, and he does well with what he has.

Liz Olsen doesn't have much to do, as I said, all the characters have the typical roles associated with them. I liked Watanabe's Serizawa.

Gareth Edwards' approach won't please everyone for sure, at least those who expect the movie to blow its load 10 min in. It's a great slow burn, with shades of Spielberg at times (the opening for me felt very Jurassic Parkish), and it takes huge balls to do what Gareth does on a key scene, personally, I love it, I think it's really smart & refreshing.

Love the MUTOS, pretty much knew a lot about them having followed every script leak & whatnot, cool design, awesome audio design, menacing. Movie's well constructed & it all pays off in the third act which is glorious, jaw dropped a serious number of times on big moments.

I did not expect to see that kind of emotion in what is a favorite scene of mine
Godzilla dispatching male MUTO, and almost catching its breath & crumbling under the building completely exhausted, followed by this AMAZING moment that Ford & Godzilla share, this eye exchange, so much emotion (probably where Serkis gave some feedback) which really felt to me like Godzilla was telling him "I am so spent" or "I can't go on", impressive

Godzilla himself is beyond my wildest expectations, flawless CG, beautiful design, beautiful (^^) face, like Gareth said, a mixture of bear & eagle kinda, very majestic, noble, a true force of nature, and he's so huge. Coming from the old, cheesy Zilla movies with men in suits, this is a relief, finally being able to see him in all his glory, with a great fighting style
seriously, the two against one scene is amazing and SO brutal
& a true personality. A beauty.

That moment where
he unleashes the atomic breath had me giggling like a schoolgirl, such an amazing, badass moment, especially the way it courses through his body, starting from the tail, also when he dispatches the female muto, OUCH GODDAM, so brutal

The ending is amazing, especially when
Godzilla just goes down, completely exhausted, I was thinking for a sec "hum, what the ****? I know he doesn't die, but it sure as hell looks like it, and him just waking up from his nap ^^ and returning to the sea like a badass

Just wow, everytime he roared as well, I had this huge smile on my face.

All in all, a great sense of atmosphere, some terrifying scenes
the train scene? HELL YEAH, the train scene
, amazing direction, amazing VFX, solid script & characters, great score. Gareth Edwards is one smart cookie & delivers tenfold. BRING ON THE SEQUEL PLEASE
 
Tim_Riggins said:
Goddam, that was incredible.

Hype through the roof ever since it was announced, hype even higher after seeing Monsters a bit after that.

First of all, the opening is really cool & sets up the fact that the sound design & mix in this movie is going to be off the charts.

The script imo is solid, it's kind of complicated in a Kaiju movie to care about the story & characters imo since I assume you kinda want to see the monster action most of all. It's well handled (even more if you read the great prequel comics Godzilla Awakening), fairly straightforward like you'd expect, but there's an effort here to ground it and make you feel more involved.

MOARRRRRRRR BRYAN CRANSTON is the first thing I wanna say right after that, and it's been said by a few people, I'd say he has about 15 min screentime tops & I didn't expect him
to just bite it just like that
but I think it's the nature of his character, he nails it but they might have done something a bit more interesting with him although his character in the end just serves a very simple purpose.

The movie is first & foremost Aaron's show as it's been said, he does a good job with what he's given, certainly not his finest performance but it'd be foolish to expect more considering the genre of the movie, his character is very much a stock character, archetype that serves his purpose very simply, and is relatable & sympathetic. All in all, I like his character, and he does well with what he has.

Liz Olsen doesn't have much to do, as I said, all the characters have the typical roles associated with them. I liked Watanabe's Serizawa.

Gareth Edwards' approach won't please everyone for sure, at least those who expect the movie to blow its load 10 min in. It's a great slow burn, with shades of Spielberg at times (the opening for me felt very Jurassic Parkish), and it takes huge balls to do what Gareth does on a key scene, personally, I love it, I think it's really smart & refreshing.

Love the MUTOS, pretty much knew a lot about them having followed every script leak & whatnot, cool design, awesome audio design, menacing. Movie's well constructed & it all pays off in the third act which is glorious, jaw dropped a serious number of times on big moments.

I did not expect to see that kind of emotion in what is a favorite scene of mine
Godzilla dispatching male MUTO, and almost catching its breath & crumbling under the building completely exhausted, followed by this AMAZING moment that Ford & Godzilla share, this eye exchange, so much emotion (probably where Serkis gave some feedback) which really felt to me like Godzilla was telling him "I am so spent" or "I can't go on", impressive

Godzilla himself is beyond my wildest expectations, flawless CG, beautiful design, beautiful (^^) face, like Gareth said, a mixture of bear & eagle kinda, very majestic, noble, a true force of nature, and he's so huge. Coming from the old, cheesy Zilla movies with men in suits, this is a relief, finally being able to see him in all his glory, with a great fighting style
seriously, the two against one scene is amazing and SO brutal
& a true personality. A beauty.

That moment where
he unleashes the atomic breath had me giggling like a schoolgirl, such an amazing, badass moment, especially the way it courses through his body, starting from the tail, also when he dispatches the female muto, OUCH GODDAM, so brutal

The ending is amazing, especially when
Godzilla just goes down, completely exhausted, I was thinking for a sec "hum, what the ****? I know he doesn't die, but it sure as hell looks like it, and him just waking up from his nap ^^ and returning to the sea like a badass

Just wow, everytime he roared as well, I had this huge smile on my face.

All in all, a great sense of atmosphere, some terrifying scenes
the train scene? HELL YEAH, the train scene
, amazing direction, amazing VFX, solid script & characters, great score. Gareth Edwards is one smart cookie & delivers tenfold. BRING ON THE SEQUEL PLEASE
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Glad you loved it. A great change of pace from all the grumpy gusses around here.
 
Tim_Riggins said:
Goddam, that was incredible.

Hype through the roof ever since it was announced, hype even higher after seeing Monsters a bit after that.

First of all, the opening is really cool & sets up the fact that the sound design & mix in this movie is going to be off the charts.

The script imo is solid, it's kind of complicated in a Kaiju movie to care about the story & characters imo since I assume you kinda want to see the monster action most of all. It's well handled (even more if you read the great prequel comics Godzilla Awakening), fairly straightforward like you'd expect, but there's an effort here to ground it and make you feel more involved.

MOARRRRRRRR BRYAN CRANSTON is the first thing I wanna say right after that, and it's been said by a few people, I'd say he has about 15 min screentime tops & I didn't expect him
to just bite it just like that
but I think it's the nature of his character, he nails it but they might have done something a bit more interesting with him although his character in the end just serves a very simple purpose.

The movie is first & foremost Aaron's show as it's been said, he does a good job with what he's given, certainly not his finest performance but it'd be foolish to expect more considering the genre of the movie, his character is very much a stock character, archetype that serves his purpose very simply, and is relatable & sympathetic. All in all, I like his character, and he does well with what he has.

Liz Olsen doesn't have much to do, as I said, all the characters have the typical roles associated with them. I liked Watanabe's Serizawa.

Gareth Edwards' approach won't please everyone for sure, at least those who expect the movie to blow its load 10 min in. It's a great slow burn, with shades of Spielberg at times (the opening for me felt very Jurassic Parkish), and it takes huge balls to do what Gareth does on a key scene, personally, I love it, I think it's really smart & refreshing.

Love the MUTOS, pretty much knew a lot about them having followed every script leak & whatnot, cool design, awesome audio design, menacing. Movie's well constructed & it all pays off in the third act which is glorious, jaw dropped a serious number of times on big moments.

I did not expect to see that kind of emotion in what is a favorite scene of mine
Godzilla dispatching male MUTO, and almost catching its breath & crumbling under the building completely exhausted, followed by this AMAZING moment that Ford & Godzilla share, this eye exchange, so much emotion (probably where Serkis gave some feedback) which really felt to me like Godzilla was telling him "I am so spent" or "I can't go on", impressive

Godzilla himself is beyond my wildest expectations, flawless CG, beautiful design, beautiful (^^) face, like Gareth said, a mixture of bear & eagle kinda, very majestic, noble, a true force of nature, and he's so huge. Coming from the old, cheesy Zilla movies with men in suits, this is a relief, finally being able to see him in all his glory, with a great fighting style
seriously, the two against one scene is amazing and SO brutal
& a true personality. A beauty.

That moment where
he unleashes the atomic breath had me giggling like a schoolgirl, such an amazing, badass moment, especially the way it courses through his body, starting from the tail, also when he dispatches the female muto, OUCH GODDAM, so brutal

The ending is amazing, especially when
Godzilla just goes down, completely exhausted, I was thinking for a sec "hum, what the ****? I know he doesn't die, but it sure as hell looks like it, and him just waking up from his nap ^^ and returning to the sea like a badass

Just wow, everytime he roared as well, I had this huge smile on my face.

All in all, a great sense of atmosphere, some terrifying scenes
the train scene? HELL YEAH, the train scene
, amazing direction, amazing VFX, solid script & characters, great score. Gareth Edwards is one smart cookie & delivers tenfold. BRING ON THE SEQUEL PLEASE
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Great review! Glad to see you enjoyed it so much, I admit I was getting worried seeing all the negativity the past few days. Can't wait to see it tomorrow! :up:
 
We're talking negativity but the movie is being very well received. I forgot that seeing the whole spectacle from a human perspective is really fantastic to sell the scale of the whole spectacle. The final fight is very easy to follow (saw it in 2D), no idea where those complaints come from.

Honestly, I'm one of those who think that the old Zilla movies are kind of lame if not entertaining, seeing them today especially, having no nostalgic feeling about it, I have no attachment to them. To be able to see a Godzilla movie with so much care put into it, top notch VFX, finally doing justice to the character, that's something incredible.

Some will be pissed because of the slow burn approach and accuse Edwards of being cheap or withholding or something, it's a choice that pays off during the third act and it shows another approach to the blockbuster genre, one that we don't see very often now, and that sets him apart.
 
Tim_Riggins said:
We're talking negativity but the movie is being very well received. I forgot that seeing the whole spectacle from a human perspective is really fantastic to sell the scale of the whole spectacle. The final fight is very easy to follow (saw it in 2D), no idea where those complaints come from.

Honestly, I'm one of those who think that the old Zilla movies are kind of lame if not entertaining, seeing them today especially, having no nostalgic feeling about it, I have no attachment to them. To be able to see a Godzilla movie with so much care put into it, top notch VFX, finally doing justice to the character, that's something incredible.

Some will be pissed because of the slow burn approach and accuse Edwards of being cheap or withholding or something, it's a choice that pays off during the third act and it shows another approach to the blockbuster genre, one that we don't see very often now, and that sets him apart.
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I can't tell if this is a positive or negative reaction. :o:oldrazz:
 
People aren't complaining about the slow burn approach. Its what were given during that time.
 
And what is given during that time that is so bad?

@TheNextNolan: I loved it, it shows so above.
 
Well, a friend of mine whom I trust whole-heartedly and agree with 98% of the time said she loved it and found no faults in how Godzilla was presented in the film and found the criticisms of Taylor-Johnson to be overblown. She's the only other Godzilla fan I know and she automatically ranks it up their with her favorites/the best.
The film getting her blessing makes me all the more excited! I trust her more than any critic/blogger/commentator.
 
Mostly the 2nd act going from set piece to set piece with ATJ. His character isn't particularly interesting and half the time he's interacting with characters that are just random soldiers. Speaking for myself of course.
 
So basically, you would have wanted more Godzilla?

There are some intense scenes in the middle, notably the train one. Anyway, looking forward to the possible longer cut on Blu Ray that Tull talked about a few days ago.
 
Tim_Riggins said:
And what is given during that time that is so bad?

@TheNextNolan: I loved it, it shows so above.
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The fact that when the crap should hit the fan, they just cut to aftermath. No one is calling for atomic breath in the first fight...just that there would BE a first fight.

"The Thing" is a fantastic slow burn movie, built on paranoia, but when things happen, they happen, the film doesn't just cut to afterwards.

As I said before:

redhawk23 said:
Here its not a problem of the "best" moments for the monster being left to the end but the "only" moments. There really isn't even a build up for the most part. Godzilla is not even a factor in much of the film. Then there is a buildup...with no pay off.

Imagine this

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But instead of being followed up with

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the film cuts immediately to
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And then imagine that happens twice.
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Tim_Riggins said:
So basically, you would have wanted more Godzilla?
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No. I wanted something that was engaging or interesting. You found it so I didn't. Cranston's character hooked my interest, if we followed him and ATJ together that might have been better.
 
You could honestly remove Godzilla from everything but the last 15 minutes and it wouldn't change the course of most of the story.
 
redhawk23 said:
The fact that when the crap should hit the fan, they just cut to aftermath. No one is calling for atomic breath in the first fight...just that there would BE a first fight.
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It was a mistake to cut away form that first fight. [BLACKOUT]Even more so when they turned it into a joke a right after. So the first altercation we actually even see is on TV. [/BLACKOUT]
 
Yeah the comparisons to Jurassic Park aren't very good. JP has some real pay offs to its teases( T-Rex in rain, Raptors in kitchen), Godzilla's one payoff isn't worth all of the teasing. If the payoff was better, I'd dig it. Or if they actually showed the first fight, I'd probably dig it. The film just took the less is more approach too far, which turned this less and less into a Godzilla movie. The film gets a lot right, but went too far, being too clever for its own good. It's a solid 7 or 8 out of 10 for me, but it could have easily been a 10/10. Also, anyone saying its a 'smart blockbuster' is ridiculous. It's still a cgifest. It just happens to waste our time with cgi set pieces of two creatures we don't give a **** about instead of Godzilla.
 
With Godzilla more is more works better for me than less is more. He's unique like that.
 
You see it as a joke, I see it as smart & unexpected, it's a very clear & conscious choice by Edwards here that won't please everyone.

For Godzilla not being a factor, what?
he's the only one who can stop the MUTOS and he's always in the background, hell, the opening credits are about him as well. You're not gonna agree obviously, but to me, Edwards just handled it flawlessly, building the movie around the MUTOS first, the MUTOS being directly connected to Godzilla, but it definitely helps a huge deal to read the prequel comics directly tied to it: Godzilla Awakening, it centers around Godzilla, the nuke, the MUTOS appearing (not the same ones) and the MUTOS being ancient predators & enemies of Godzilla, which is touched upon in the movie but not as much, and basically, Godzilla only cares about them, he has to annihilate them. Godzilla's introduction scene during the wave is so brilliant in that way, the savior has come.

For the comics, I'll anticipate the "you shouldn't need to read a prequel comics to know what's going on" by saying it just feels really like the way to get the full experience. Edwards goes against the grain, any other director would have shown that first fight, he goes for the ballsy move and holds it in, some will love it, others won't. That will be the main thing talked about I think.
 
Tim_Riggins said:
You see it as a joke, I see it as smart & unexpected, it's a very clear & conscious choice by Edwards here that won't please everyone.

For Godzilla not being a factor, what?
he's the only one who can stop the MUTOS and he's always in the background, hell, the opening credits are about him as well. You're not gonna agree obviously, but to me, Edwards just handled it flawlessly, building the movie around the MUTOS first, the MUTOS being directly connected to Godzilla, but it definitely helps a huge deal to read the prequel comics directly tied to it: Godzilla Awakening, it centers around Godzilla, the nuke, the MUTOS appearing (not the same ones) and the MUTOS being ancient predators & enemies of Godzilla, which is touched upon in the movie but not as much, and basically, Godzilla only cares about them, he has to annihilate them. Godzilla's introduction scene during the wave is so brilliant in that way, the savior has come.
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You may see it as unexpected, subverting our expectations etc. but it was still played as a joke.

You see everything you said about Godzilla's backstory I wanted them to delve more into, not just mention it here and there. Watanabe I felt could have been used more in that regard.
 
But they told you what you needed to know about Godzilla. What more is there to know? I say this even if I hadn't read the prequel comics, it's fairly straightforward.
 
You don't necessarily need to know more but it felt like they delved more into what the MUTO's were about then Godzilla himself. Would I have liked to see more about the myth/lore of Godzilla instead of seeing ATJ running around playing GI Joe? Probably.
 
Tim_Riggins said:
You see it as a joke, I see it as smart & unexpected, it's a very clear & conscious choice by Edwards here that won't please everyone.

For Godzilla not being a factor, what?
he's the only one who can stop the MUTOS and he's always in the background, hell, the opening credits are about him as well. You're not gonna agree obviously, but to me, Edwards just handled it flawlessly, building the movie around the MUTOS first, the MUTOS being directly connected to Godzilla, but it definitely helps a huge deal to read the prequel comics directly tied to it: Godzilla Awakening, it centers around Godzilla, the nuke, the MUTOS appearing (not the same ones) and the MUTOS being ancient predators & enemies of Godzilla, which is touched upon in the movie but not as much, and basically, Godzilla only cares about them, he has to annihilate them. Godzilla's introduction scene during the wave is so brilliant in that way, the savior has come.

For the comics, I'll anticipate the "you shouldn't need to read a prequel comics to know what's going on" by saying it just feels really like the way to get the full experience. Edwards goes against the grain, any other director would have shown that first fight, he goes for the ballsy move and holds it in, some will love it, others won't. That will be the main thing talked about I think.
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The plot revolves around the MUTOs. The characters actions are influenced by the MUTOs. Godzilla is literally just a plot device to stop the MUTOs. It's hard to even call him a character.
 
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