Godzilla (2014) - - - Part 12

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Well, Gareth Edwards said he wanted to do the sequel "Destroy All Monsters" style, which I'm perfectly fine with. I would love to see the next movie take place around Japan and maybe another island where Godzilla is just fighting at least four monsters.
 
I enjoyed the movie, i mean were talking about a 350 foot tall lizard who breathes atomic rays and fights flying bugs, This is isnt shakespearre.
 
Personally, I'd like to see Gareth Edwards direct another one. While I did appreciate his approach to this first movie, I certainly hope he doesn't do it again for the sequels.

The introduction and the reveal of Godzilla is now done. There's no need to keep him hidden in future films now. If Edwards does intend to approach the sequel in the same way (like some have been hearing), then that won't go over well.

I think Edwards should come back, given that he approaches the sequels differently. We can't keep doing the teases for every movie now that people know what Godzilla looks like and what he does.
 
Well, Gareth Edwards said he wanted to do the sequel "Destroy All Monsters" style, which I'm perfectly fine with. I would love to see the next movie take place around Japan and maybe another island where Godzilla is just fighting at least four monsters.

My impression is that Edwards is more interested in the Monster Island idea than the giant monster brawl for a sequel.
 
Anyone notice that Warner Bros. is mentioned? Perhaps Legendary don't have free reign of Godzilla. Perhaps they have a distribution deal with WB.
 
the fight teasing definitely has to go in the sequels.
 
My impression is that Edwards is more interested in the Monster Island idea than the giant monster brawl for a sequel.

Well CGI costs will limit just how much monster fighting we can get. Shakey cam can disguise flaws in the CGI but it (thankfully) was not used.
 
I'd be disappointed if Edwards didn't return. While I liked the film overall, I feel he excelled in the fight scenes. Hey, things were happening and you can see it. Well..other than the times they cut away.
 
perhaps it is possible to save some costs by having fights out in the ocean, island, or desert. That way, there wont be costs associated with rendering city destruction?

I really don't know what i'm talking about lol
 
Especially after we have already seen him in all his glory.

yep.

but I was talking more about teasing the actual fights. I don't think they will be able to get away with that unscathed again if they repeat that approach in the sequels.
 
Anyone notice that Warner Bros. is mentioned? Perhaps Legendary don't have free reign of Godzilla. Perhaps they have a distribution deal with WB.

Yeah, it would've been silly for WB not to have first crack at sequels. Godzilla an obvious potential franchise.
 
Incorrect, it is not a logical fallacy. It is only a logical fallacy if the authority is not an expert in his field.

This is far more relevant. Of course, you are incorrect as he is a "critic by trade" as film criticism ended up being his "trade".

And this is true because you say so? You haven't backed up any of these claims other than by presenting your own opinion.

- Actually, an appeal to authority fallacy has nothing to do with the level of the authority. There is a separate fallacy for appealing to a non-authority and presenting them as an authority (i.e. a person that is not an expert in their field). The premise behind the appeal to authority is that even experts are capable of being incorrect, thus relying on their status to prove a claim is insufficient. The claim itself must be examined, not the authority of the person giving the claim.

- I worded that poorly. I had meant that Ebert did not study to become a critic and that his education was in the field of journalism rather than criticism and analysis. I should have chosen better words. So I make a partial concession as you are correct, Ebert's trade eventually was that of a critic despite his lack of study in a related field.

- Actually, I did provide numerous examples time and time again. If you wish, I do not mind giving them again.

Example Flaws with Godzilla 2K14

1) Creatures born millions of years ago should not evolve to emit EMPs. It would be one thing if the creatures naturally emitted a high level of radiation that would interfere with electronics, but these creatures possessed the ability to selectively emit EMPs as an attack. In no way does it make sense for a creature that existed before electronic devices, to develop EMP emission as an offensive/defensive adaptation. It would be utterly useless against a predator such as Godzilla.

2) The MUTO creatures feed on radioactive matter and energy. Godzilla's primary attack would then be ineffectual, as his atomic breath is actually a concentrated blast of radioactive energy. It is not a fire/heat based attack, contrary to the popular misconception. So either his attack has different properties in this remake, or the writer did not consider that fact before Godzilla unleashed his attack on eight-legged MUTO.

3) Smash cuts are employed to a cliche effect in this film. When effective, the smash cut can build tension or excitement. However, when used frequently, smash cuts can diminish dramatic edge. This can be seen in G2K14 as the first two monster clashes led to smash cuts, creating a sense of redundancy. This is similar to when modern action films use bullet-time/slow motion for every action sequence. Rather than highlight the intensity of an action, frequent use instead creates pacing issues. Hitchcock is a well studied example of effective use of the smash cut as a dramatic technique in cinema.

4) If Godzilla is the alpha/apex predator of his ecosystem, and he only rose from the deep to feed on the MUTO kaiju, why did he fail to eat either of them after having felled them in combat? Had he actually eaten them (even if this were alluded to and not shown) then Godzilla's motivations would make sense in the context given by the narrative.

Since he does not eat either of them, the direction of the film makes it seem as if Godzilla came to defeat the MUTO for the sole purpose of saving the humans. Now, Gareth Edwards already stated in interviews that his goal was to make Godzilla the anti-hero of the story, that Godzilla would save humanity by chance, not by choice. But the given explanation in the film that was to make this so, is not followed through. That is poor writing and direction.

Worse, the film's script contributes to the conflation and convoluted nature of this error. Dr. Serizawa frequently refers to Godzilla as a bringer of balance, meant to restore order to nature. This of course assumes that the MUTO kaiju becoming the dominant species is some how a state of disorder (which goes against evolutionary imperative). Without addressing that particular issue, the larger issue is that Serizawa is now providing a motivation for Godzilla's actions that are in conflict with his previous explanation that Godzilla was their best hope because Godzilla feeds upon these creatures. Which is it? Is Godzilla here to feed on his natural prey or is he here to play Anakin Skywalker and bring balance to the force?


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I could keep going on, but it would result in a post that is needlessly long. Heck, the post is already approaching an absurd length, but I digress. The above examples are a bit more in depth than my previous examples, but they highlight issues with the direction and the writing that are detrimental to film. No film or book or any other story telling medium is without mistake. So I do not expect flawlessness.

There are films I praise immensely that have a number of errors. The problem begins however when those errors interfere with the intelligibility of the story. If an error breaks your story, then it is problematic. If an error is just a mistake but the story still makes sense, then no real harm is done. I do not find that to be the case here.
 
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yep.

but I was talking more about teasing the actual fights. I don't think they will be able to get away with that unscathed again if they repeat that approach in the sequels.
Yeah, I know exactly what you meant. My reply was just worded horribly. My fault. Oh, and I agree. :up:

Yeah, it would've been silly for WB not to have first crack at sequels. Godzilla an obvious potential franchise.
Yeah, but there has been conflicting reports on whether WB has that option or not.
 
How did you guys like the different fighting styles? I really liked how the MUTO's made use of their arm hooks.

I had hoped for a bit more than what was shown. Then again, the MUTO kaiju were a paired couple, not merely two separate antagonists teaming up against Godzilla. It made sense that one would restrain Big G whilst the other would hammer him with its legs. What I had really hoped to see was the flying MUTO administering a drop kick in the style of King Ghidorah.
 
Yeah, I know exactly what you meant. My reply was just worded horribly. My fault. Oh, and I agree. :up:

ah, it's all cool.

and I think when Edwards said he will use the "restraint" approach again, I think he meant building up to revealing the next monster. not Godzilla again.

at least I hope that's what he meant........lol.
 
ah, it's all cool.

and I think when Edwards said he will use the "restraint" approach again, I think he meant building up to revealing the next monster. not Godzilla again.

at least I hope that's what he meant........lol.
Yeah, I hope so too. :funny:
 
Yeah, I hope so too. :funny:

and I think in the next film, they could make use of a "secondary" monster ( whether brand new or established ) for Godzilla to battle, while they build up to the primary antagonist.

it would have to make sense in the context of the story, of course, and not just feel like "fodder or filler material" for the sake of having Godzilla fight something.

and it would be nice if they build a cohesive "theme" to the seemingly increased monster activity, instead of everything just feeling random and convenient.

for example, these ancient creatures have active/dormant cycles. it just happens that our modern times coincides with an active cycle for these creatures.

so it's all building up to some grand, all out Final Wars monster brawl.

The MUTOs and Godzilla were just the tip of the iceberg.......lol.
 
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1) Creatures born millions of years ago should not evolve to emit EMPs. It would be one thing if the creatures naturally emitted a high level of radiation that would interfere with electronics, but these creatures possessed the ability to selectively emit EMPs as an attack. In no way does it make sense for a creature that existed before electronic devices, to develop EMP emission as an offensive/defensive adaptation. It would be utterly useless against a predator such as Godzilla.

This falls under the assumption that the EMP is an attack (or a defense mechanism). The MUTOs may generate an EMP simply by being a highly radioactive creature.

Now, admittedly, the science isn't correct when it came to the EMP. But in films, especially films involving sci-fi concepts, the science is almost never correct.

2) The MUTO creatures feed on radioactive matter and energy. Godzilla's primary attack would then be ineffectual, as his atomic breath is actually a concentrated blast of radioactive energy. It is not a fire/heat based attack, contrary to the popular misconception. So either his attack has different properties in this remake, or the writer did not consider that fact before Godzilla unleashed his attack on eight-legged MUTO.

Not at all. Even though they feed on radiation, that does not preclude the notion that an excessive amount of it would prove fatal to them.

3) Smash cuts are employed to a cliche effect in this film. When effective, the smash cut can build tension or excitement. However, when used frequently, smash cuts can diminish dramatic edge. This can be seen in G2K14 as the first two monster clashes led to smash cuts, creating a sense of redundancy. This is similar to when modern action films use bullet-time/slow motion for every action sequence. Rather than highlight the intensity of an action, frequent use instead creates pacing issues. Hitchcock is a well studied example of effective use of the smash cut as a dramatic technique in cinema.

And this is an opinion. Who decided whether whether the cuts manage to create tension or if they fail to do so? Why, the viewer of course. However, I'll agree that (IMO) there is too much of it in the film.

4) If Godzilla is the alpha/apex predator of his ecosystem, and he only rose from the deep to feed on the MUTO kaiju, why did he fail to eat either of them after having felled them in combat? Had he actually eaten them (even if this were alluded to and not shown) then Godzilla's motivations would make sense in the context given by the narrative.

Since he does not eat either of them, the direction of the film makes it seem as if Godzilla came to defeat the MUTO for the sole purpose of saving the humans. Now, Gareth Edwards already stated in interviews that his goal was to make Godzilla the anti-hero of the story, that Godzilla would save humanity by chance, not by choice. But the given explanation in the film that was to make this so, is not followed through. That is poor writing and direction.

We see at the beginning of the film that MUTOs are parasites that leach off of and kill Godzilla's species. Godzilla hunting and killing the MUTOs as a preemptive act of self-defense is certainly implied in the film itself.

There are films I praise immensely that have a number of errors. The problem begins however when those errors interfere with the intelligibility of the story. If an error breaks your story, then it is problematic. If an error is just a mistake but the story still makes sense, then no real harm is done. I do not find that to be the case here.

And here you present your opinion. Whether a film's flaws break the narrative structure is predominantly up to the viewer.
 
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1) Creatures born millions of years ago should not evolve to emit EMPs. It would be one thing if the creatures naturally emitted a high level of radiation that would interfere with electronics, but these creatures possessed the ability to selectively emit EMPs as an attack. In no way does it make sense for a creature that existed before electronic devices, to develop EMP emission as an offensive/defensive adaptation. It would be utterly useless against a predator such as Godzilla.

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