Godzilla (2014) - - - Part 12

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The MUTOs' EMP attacks could have been a more recent evolutionary adaptation in direct response to us humans and our technology.

maybe they didn't have that ability in ancient times when their primary threat were the Godzillas.
 
Or maybe it's a Godzilla movie and kaiju always have some sort of wacky attacks.
 
Or maybe it's a Godzilla movie and kaiju always have some sort of wacky attacks.

that's true....lol

after all, what evolutionary explanation is there for Godzilla to have a blue napalm/atomic breath attack................

.........other than it's ******* badass!! :awesome:
 
Sorry if this has already been answered, but does anyone know what happened to Frank Darabont's involvement with this film? I know he was supposed to write it, but he got no credit. Was he fired or just uncredited?
 
So this was good. The beginning and end of the film were really terrific, but the middle section was oddly edited, and therefore less exciting. Aside from Bryan Cranston the character's didn't elicit anything from me. I was just counting down the moments until Godzilla and the Mutos faced off. And when they finally do battle it out towards the end.... holy ****!!!

8/10
 
This falls under the assumption that the EMP is an attack (or a defense mechanism). The MUTOs may generate an EMP simply by being a highly radioactive creature.

Now, admittedly, the science isn't correct when it came to the EMP. But in films, especially films involving sci-fi concepts, the science is almost never correct.

One of the rules for cohesive story telling is for events and occurrences to make sense in the context provided by the narrative. This is what allows for the suspension of disbelief. The moment something contradicts its own world without being questioned or explained, then the illusion is broken. The expectation isn't for scientific accuracy, but narrative consistency.

I already addressed that electromagnetic interference as a byproduct of their radioactivity would have made sense in the film. However, there is a sequence in the film in which winged.MUTO slams its foot down to release an EMP when soldiers were accosting it. So it is done selectively and offensively, which is a problem only bevause this creature is supposedly prehistoric and the product of evolution.



Not at all. Even though they feed on radiation, that does not preclude the notion that an excessive amount of it would prove fatal to them.

There is merit to that consideration. I myself weighed the possibility that Godzilla could merely expose these creatures to a lethal dose. But then I considered Serizawa's speech about primeval earth and its high radioactivity and how these creatures evolved to live in and consume this high concentration of radiation. The film is unclear about this issue, and us rationalizing the "how" is evidence that the script did not do enough to address the issue. If se offer suppositions, there is no real way to confirm our suspicions. All we can work with is what is told or shown in the narrative.


And this is an opinion. Who decided whether whether the cuts manage to create tension or if they fail to do so? Why, the viewer of course. However, I'll agree that (IMO) there is too much of it in the film.

The narrative makes that determination. If you watch a horror film and just as the killer thrusts a blade into some person's chest, the sequence jumps to a dinner date, the moment becomes unsettling rather than peaceful. The characters on screen have no idea that they are in danger and now the viewer is tense, because when the couple returns home, the killer will be lurking in the dark, waiting. So there is this interesting use of contrast that should inspire levity, but instead makes the idyllic seem uncanny. This is one of the most overused sequence shifts for a smash cut, but still fairly effective albeit cliche.

When a monster fight is cut via smash cut and we see Ford's wife at home, does this add tension to the narrative? Does the script lead to any sense of peril or urgency for her safety? Do we get a contrast of a peaceful sequence against a prior sequence of suspense? Almost. Ford's wife had no clue how much danger Ford was in...until she looked at the television screen and saw the same event that the audience just saw, which means that the smash cut did not serve its purpose.

An appropriate choice would have been a match cut, which is a transition that shows similar subjects in two different scenes.


We see at the beginning of the film that MUTOs are parasites that leach off of and kill Godzilla's species. Godzilla hunting and killing the MUTOs as a preemptive act of self-defense is certainly implied in the film itself.

I had considered this explanation as well. Given that eight-lehged MUTO was to give birth, it would have put many species at risk if her brood had been born. However, Serizawa, the only character to state Godzilla's motivations, only expresses that Godzilla is an alpha predator that feeds on the lesser creatures of its ecosytem, to which the MUTO kaiju belong. Serizawa's only other rationale is that Godzilla's raison d'etre is to bring balance, a rationale so flimsy that an other character in the story dismisses it.

I am not going to dismiss the possibility of your claim, as it is rather reasonable. But again, it is not shown or said in the narrtive, so it can't be evaluated objectively, only speculatively.



And here you present your opinion. Whether a film's flaws break the narrative structure is predominantly up to the viewer.

If plot elements contradict or convolute the narrative as presented, then it can be said that the narrative has been broken or disrupted. Whether or not the audience realizes it is broken is an entirely separate matter. For instance, the Back to the Futute trilogy features a profound error which should cause the Delorean to cease to exist half way through the second film, but this error is often overlooked (including myself until a few years ago).

So, a broken narrative is not subjective. At least not if one is adhering to errors in the story and the impact of those errors. Now if one claim a narrative is broken because of a plot element that is disliked but not convoluted or contradictory, then yes, that is subjective.

Even works considered to be masterpieces are guilty of having broken narratives. Terminator is an excellent example as it features the grandfather paradox. Kyle Reese travels back in time and impregnates Sarah Connor, whom gives birth to John Connor, who grows up and becomes Kyle's commanding officer. The problem though is that Kyle, John's father, only impregnates John's mother because John sent Kyle back in the first place, meaning John Connor is responsible for creating himself.

The Terminator itself is a paradox because it is only with the arm remnant of the T-800 that Skynet technology is developed. Yet, Skynet sends a terminator into the past, an action that causes its own technology to exist in the past, leading to its own creation in the future.

So I am not picking on Godzilla. Plenty of well loved stories have narrative breaking elements. Now what is subjective is my own choice to ignore those elements and enjoy the primary idea of the narrative.
 
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Giant......fire breathing......lizard........
 
Sorry if this has already been answered, but does anyone know what happened to Frank Darabont's involvement with this film? I know he was supposed to write it, but he got no credit. Was he fired or just uncredited?

I think credit depends on how much work he actually did. If the majority of work is Max Borenstein's then he gets the credit.
 
Why is the MUTO emitting an EMP any
more unbelievable than Godzilla having atomic breath?
 
Why is the MUTO emitting an EMP any
more unbelievable than Godzilla having atomic breath?

Even further, why should we even bother thinking about it?

I'll make the comparison to ANY action flick. We know what we're in for when going into a Schwarzenegger, Stallone, James Bond, etc that the characters will do stupidly impossible things. Why do the transformers grow weapons from their bodies? who cares. Why are their sounds in space during space battles? who cares. How does a giant creature even exist when physics states...who cares

Most people do not bat an eye because who cares, it's cool. I don't care why the MUTO emits an EMP

EDIT: I lol'd
 
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What ever happened to just enjoying a solid sci-fi film without over analyzing its scientific merits?
 
they better come up with in depth scientific explanation as to why Ghidorah has three heads and shoots lightning bolts or gravity beams out of his mouths......

and why Gigan has hooks for hands and looks like a ******* rooster........
 
This is ****ing deep:

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Figs I love your avvy. Especially the...uh...gun holster part. ;) :up:
 
Why is the MUTO emitting an EMP any
more unbelievable than Godzilla having atomic breath?

It isn't about believability, otherwise the entire film would be in question as a work of science-fiction. The issue is that the narrative of the film establishes the precedent that the MUTO in the film are millions of years old, not in terms of species, but the actual creatures in the story are millions of years old. Given how much of an emphasis was put on these creatures and their evolution, it makes no sense that a creature from millions of years ago, would develop an evolutionary ability that would have been useless in their initial era. If evolution were left out of Serizawa's explanations, or had the creatures not been around for millions of years, then it would have made sense as a recent adaptation (even though evolution doesn't work that swiftly, one could suspend disbelief). Unfortunately, the film calls attention to evolution and its role in the development of the habits and abilities of all of the kaiju, so it sticks out like a sore thumb when a creature has an ability that does not reflect evolutionary need. it just becomes a plot device to prevent humans from effectively fighting the creature.
 
oh, and how do we know that Godzilla was male in the film??

I mean......they kept calling him a he.

but......do we know for sure?? did anyone ask Godzilla directly?? did anyone make a close inspection of his dangling Gojira berries??

Godzilla's sex wasn't made clear in the film. obviously due to lack of cohesive story telling........:o :oldrazz:
 
It isn't about believability, otherwise the entire film would be in question as a work of science-fiction. The issue is that the narrative of the film establishes the precedent that the MUTO in the film are millions of years old, not in terms of species, but the actual creatures in the story are millions of years old. Given how much of an emphasis was put on these creatures and their evolution, it makes no sense that a creature from millions of years ago, would develop an evolutionary ability that would have been useless in their initial era. If evolution were left out of Serizawa's explanations, or had the creatures not been around for millions of years, then it would have made sense as a recent adaptation (even though evolution doesn't work that swiftly, one could suspend disbelief). Unfortunately, the film calls attention to evolution and its role in the development of the habits and abilities of all of the kaiju, so it sticks out like a sore thumb when a creature has an ability that does not reflect evolutionary need. it just becomes a plot device to prevent humans from effectively fighting the creature.

ummm.............maybe the MUTO's EVOLVED to have EMP attacks to wipe out modern technology threats............maybe it is a recent adaptation......

maybe they didn't have that ability back in ancient times when the Godzillas were their primary threats.........

just a thought.............

and again....what's the evolutionary reason for Godzilla's atomic breath??
 
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