Gotham City Concept Thread

[Harlekin]

No, they were implemented. And the RPG died shortly thereafter. We never got past the first guest star: me.

My bad. I remember Clark Kent.

 

[Batman]

Robin is fine.

And I guess it would be alright if the story was post-TDK. I didn't want to make it specifically tied to the movies, but I can definitely see why it'd be almost essential. The only major change regarding that and what I had in mind for the backstory would be that Harvey is already Two-Face, but if Syn or any player looking to apply for Harvey are fine with that, I really don't care.

The important thing is that several characters are still availible for players, and many still spring to mind, such as The Joker, The Riddler, The Penguin, Poison Ivy, Catwoman, Mr. Freeze, The now-incarcerated Scarecrow, Black Mask, Harleen Quinzell, Commisioner Gordon, Bullock, Renee Montoya and/or Detective Ramierez, Crispus Allen, ect.

 

[Harlekin]

Would we use whatever sparse continuity established by WSS?

 

[Batman]

Would we use whatever sparse continuity established by WSS?

I would say no, but it's another one of those things that I wouldn't be explictly opposed to.

 

[Blacklight]

Why can't Robin fit in? Honestly he's the only character I'd play if I were to join, since all the other Gothamites I haven't played in other RPGs just don't interest me at all. I don't want to sound like I'm making an ultimatum, I just want to see the reasoning behind Robin's disinclusion in a BB/TDK continuity-based game.

 

[Blacklight]

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[Eddie Brock]

If Harvey is already Two-Face, then I'm not going for him. Make no mistake - I would love to play Two-Face, but there are other characters I'd rather go for since I can't do the rise and fall of Harvey.

 

[Saved]

I'm going for him either way. Two Face is my forte, dammit.

 

[trustyside-kick]

I gotta agree with Harl and JB. Sounds like it will be a new UDC but only Gotham...which is UDC anyway since everything happens in Gotham most of the time to begin with anyway.

 

[Eddie Brock]

I see it as more of a continuation of TDK.

 

[SenseiofCheese]

It might take me a long while to decide on a character, and when I finally do, it's all together possible I'll be struggling to remain interested, but if this were to go up, I'd join.

*Would apply for Bane*

 

[Eddie Brock]

I don't see how people could have trouble finding a character. On top of the comics, you can draw from the movies as well! Detective Anna Ramirez, Detective "Bullock" Stephens (if you say he survived), Mike Engel (it could work!)...

 

[Batman]

Mike Engel (it could work!)

Damn!

You revealed my character.

 

[SenseiofCheese]

Yes, but those people don't really have much obvious potential to do 'awesome' and 'badass' things that only superheroes and supervillains can. The point of these RPGs is to be able to 'be' someone extraordinary, write someone powerful and super. So playing a GCPD Detective that's single, almost broke and has trouble with paying her mother's hospital bills doesn't necessarily appeal to many people.

 

[Blacklight]

I too am hard presseed to find a character. Besides, I don't think I will play this time either, the reason being that as much as I want to be, I'm just not that well-knowledgeable of any Bat-universe characters besides a few that I could probably count on one hand.

 

[Eddie Brock]

Yes, but those people don't really have much obvious potential to do 'awesome' and 'badass' things that only superheroes and supervillains can. The point of these RPGs is to be able to 'be' someone extraordinary, write someone powerful and super. So playing a GCPD Detective that's single, almost broke and has trouble with paying her mother's hospital bills doesn't necessarily appeal to many people.

Actually, the 'point' is to tell the best story possible. Some people - like Harlekin - can do that without any superpowers.

 

[Batman]

The point of these RPGs is to be able to 'be' someone extraordinary, write someone powerful and super. So playing a GCPD Detective that's single, almost broke and has trouble with paying her mother's hospital bills doesn't necessarily appeal to many people.

Keyser Soze, Byrd Man, Harlekin (twice, mind you), Oh Snap!, Syn, Eddie, and everyone else that's played a cop in these RPG's seemed to make it work. And it's not a matter of having an appeal... it's just about how creative someone can be with whatever person they take on, be they super or boring in concept. Which in all honesty, is what I would argue that the point of these RPG's are.

 

[SenseiofCheese]

Actually, the 'point' is to tell the best story possible. Some people - like Harlekin - can do that without any superpowers.

That's debatable (not the part about Harl). It can at least be said that the major appeal is to write superheroes. And struggling, hardworking people that live in a depressing city is kind of boring when everyone is one, except the ones that nab a Bat-Villain. I mean, people will eventually just try to find any way to play a hero/villain, which is how I saw the guest star thing over in WSS. If it's so easy to find a character to play in this setting, why even consider bringing in a tongue-in-cheek Clark Kent?

 

[Eddie Brock]

For someone who's received so much (earned) praise for portraying Zach Zatara as an "everyman," you don't seem to grasp the fact that people are drawn to characters they can relate to. Plus, the point of this RPG is to tell the stories of those characters who get overshadowed by the epic confrontations of Batman and his rogues.

 

[Blacklight]

Too true, EB. But alas, Harlekin is Harlekin, and Sensei is Sensei. We're not all the same. Some of us like to play non-powered characters. Some of us don't. But you got to take into consideration the fact that these games also rely on interaction, and let's face it, some non-powered characters might be more limited on an interaction level than characters with powers. For instance, I don't see Sgt. Del Arrazio working together with Superman to beat Doomsday.

 

[Eddie Brock]

Too true, EB. But alas, Harlekin is Harlekin, and Sensei is Sensei. We're not all the same. Some of us like to play non-powered characters. Some of us don't. But you got to take into consideration the fact that these games also rely on interaction, and let's face it, some non-powered characters might be more limited on an interaction level than characters with powers. For instance, I don't see Sgt. Del Arrazio working together with Superman to beat Doomsday.

...which is why no one would pick up Sgt. Del Arrazio in World of Heroes. But here - hopefully - we will have a healthy supply of cops, lawyers, and "everymen" who can interact. Again, that is the point of this RPG - to shine light on the characters who fade into the scenery whenever Batman's around.

See also: Gotham Central.

 

[SenseiofCheese]

For someone who's received so much (earned) praise for portraying Zach Zatara as an "everyman," you don't seem to grasp the fact that people are drawn to characters they can relate to. Plus, the point of this RPG is to tell the stories of those characters who get overshadowed by the epic confrontations of Batman and his rogues.

Whenever I've been told by someone that they like how I write Zach, it's that it's refreshing to see the everyman's perspective. It's not that refreshing when the majority of the characters are the everyman, is it?

 

[Batman]

If it's so easy to find a character to play in this setting, why even consider bringing in a tongue-in-cheek Clark Kent?

...Because he's freaking Superman, and in all honesty, when faced with someone in comparison, it's really hard to choose the other guy, no matter how great a character he or she is?

Besides, that idea was scrapped for this. If there was even the slightest chance that I thought it'd be hard for people to choose characters, I wouldn't have agreed to scrap it. But I did, because in my mind at least, there are plenty of characters.

 

[Eddie Brock]

Everyone needs to go out and read Gotham Central (which I need to do as well ) and Marvels. Then, you will all understand why it's not only possible but recommendable to play an everyman among titans.

 

[Blacklight]

...which is why no one would pick up Sgt. Del Arrazio in World of Heroes. But here - hopefully - we will have a healthy supply of cops, lawyers, and "everymen" who can interact. Again, that is the point of this RPG - to shine light on the characters who fade into the scenery whenever Batman's around.

See also: Gotham Central.

I agree. But going back to my 'We're not all the same' point, some of us have not read Gotham Central. I haven't. I'm sure others here haven't too. And as much as this RPG's point is to be about the characters in Batman's universe getting the spotlight, it probably won't put the spotlight on them at all. Which is what Sensei's point is. As long as Batman and his rogues are allowed to be playable, then the spotlight won't be on the cops in Gotham, it'll be on Batman and his villains, since the majority of the characters being played will be Batman and his villains. I think Two-Face said it best when he said (and I'm paraphrasing this statement) "Gotham belongs to the freaks".