Grayskull: Masters of the Universe - Part 2

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I hate the idea of Keldor being Randor's brother.That would make Skelator He-Man's uncle! That just doesn't seem right.

It's like finding out Luthor was Superman's uncle all along.
 
I guess the really big problem with MOTU is getting kids to like it again, which is where the real money is. Kids liked Transformers and Scooby Doo well up to and beyond the recent movie reboots. The fact that the only MOTU toys being officially sold nowadays are fairly expensive ones to adult collectors through a fairly time-consuming online supply chain is telling how little He-Man means to kids.

Of course, I would absolutely love to see He-Man ditch the kid audience and be turned into an adult-oriented Taarna-like property, but I imagine most MOTU enthusiasts would call me a sick ****, which I richly deserve.

They need to make the movie with a PG-13 rating, so that parents can take their kids to see it. That should spark youth interest in the franchise again, and inspire a whole new set of toys, video games, board games, etc. Look at all of the LOTR toys and games that came out during and after the LOTR trilogy. And those movies weren't necessarily aimed at kids. But kids still love them, and bought up all the available toys (or at least their parents did every birthday and Christmas and whatever other gift giving holiday you can come up with). And the same can be said for the current Hobbit movies. So make the movie appeal to both parents (aka: the people who grew up as He-Man fans) and kids (aka: the new He-Man fans you're trying to attract) and you'll have yourself a winner.

Hey, now there's a thought. Maybe they should try and get Peter Jackson to direct this movie!
 
connecting the villain to the hero in 2014 is lazy writting IMO. it can work and it will work. but new new new. :)
 
I hate the idea of Keldor being Randor's brother.That would make Skelator He-Man's uncle! That just doesn't seem right.

It's like finding out Luthor was Superman's uncle all along.


Or like finding out that Darth Vader is Luke Skywalker's fath. . . Oh, wait.
 
Hey, now there's a thought. Maybe they should try and get Peter Jackson to direct this movie!


:mad:: Damn it, we've just finished watching the fourth Masters Of The Universe movie, and Adam still hasn't discovered the power sword yet!

:csad:: Come on, man, be patient, just stick with the franchise. PJ promised we'd get our first glimpse of Skeletor by movie #7.
 
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I hate the idea of Keldor being Randor's brother.That would make Skelator He-Man's uncle! That just doesn't seem right.

It's like finding out Luthor was Superman's uncle all along.
I'd be cool with half-brother, like Keldor was some kinda Jon Snow gone wrong (I'm sure there's a better example out there). While it'd be great to give the title character more of a personal stake in his relationship with the bad guy, the idea of Skeletor and Adam being related by blood has never been a thing in any popular version (on the new toon it was heavily implied but not really explored, as the DVD commentaries confirm). So it would feel like deviating from the source material, even though some tellings of the story do use it. That's how messed up the MOTU mythos is.
 
I'd be cool with half-brother, like Keldor was some kinda Jon Snow gone wrong (I'm sure there's a better example out there). While it'd be great to give the title character more of a personal stake in his relationship with the bad guy, the idea of Skeletor and Adam being related by blood has never been a thing in any popular version (on the new toon it was heavily implied but not really explored, as the DVD commentaries confirm). So it would feel like deviating from the source material, even though some tellings of the story do use it. That's how messed up the MOTU mythos is.


I think making Randor & Keldor half brothers works as well. I wouldn't worry too much about the fanbase feeling that it deviates from the source material. For one thing, all movie adaptations deviate from their source material to one extent or another. For another, most of the fanbase already know that the producers of the 2002 reboot were planning on using that story arc, so they'd hardly be surprised by it.

It's only the mythos of the original series that's kinda convoluted and messed up. Characters fighting each other for no apparent reason other than "the struggle between Good & Evil". The reboot had a more thought out backstory, which is part of why I like it better. That and better animation and artwork.
 
I have forever wanted Guillermo del Toro to do the Masters of the Universe movie. But I'd think that's a pipe dream.
 
I wouldn't rule GDT out just yet; the guy who made Hellboy and Pacific Rim likely would consider nothing "beneath" him. I think there is enough potential subversion in the MOTU franchise to attract him to this project.
 
Del Toro would undoubtedly do an awesome job on Masters of the Universe - and would probably do a good job with properties such as Adventures of the Galaxy Rangers and Bubblegum Crisis. And with Del Toro at the helm we'd probably get Ron Perlman as Beastman. :cwink:
 
Del Toro would undoubtedly do an awesome job on Masters of the Universe - and would probably do a good job with properties such as Adventures of the Galaxy Rangers and Bubblegum Crisis. And with Del Toro at the helm we'd probably get Ron Perlman as Beastman. :cwink:


Joss Whedon or the Wachowskis. :up:

And you can't have a Beastman who's cooler and smarter than Skeletor. You just can't!
 
I feel like Thor ruined any chances for this film to be great, without huge comparisons being drawn.

The Warriors 3 and Sif are basically like The Masters and Teela.

Odin, Randor.

They even had a He-Man type transformation in Thor and The Avengers:

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[YT]snufwP5SO-Y[/YT]
 
GDT directing this would probably guarantee that Charlie Hunnam would play He-Man. I used to be a fan of that idea until I saw Pacific Rim. But maybe Hunnam will do better when he isn't trying to do a really weird American accent.
 
I feel like Thor ruined any chances for this film to be great, without huge comparisons being drawn.

The Warriors 3 and Sif are basically like The Masters and Teela.

Odin, Randor.


Classical adventure stories will always have similarities, because they are generally all based on the same kind of warrior mythology.

The main distinction in MOTU's favour is that it takes place entirely on a fantasy world, which can be explored if greater detail, rather than having to split time between a single city on Asgard and New Mexico. MOTU can be entirely agnostic of Earth to varying degrees, depending on which plotline(s) they borrow from.
 
Joss Whedon or the Wachowskis. :up:
Joss Whedon obviously, given that countless fans have described Galaxy Rangers as "Firefly told from the perspective of the Alliance." The Wachowskis... eh, after Speed Racer I'm not sure I'd want them handling any films based on 80s nostalgia franchises, despite executing some epic action sequences in their Matrix trilogy.

And you can't have a Beastman who's cooler and smarter than Skeletor. You just can't!

Well, I'm sure Ron Perlman would make an excellent Skeletor as well, or even Man-At-Arms if we wanted to let him get down with his heroic self, but unless it's Del Toro at the helm odds are Perlman wouldn't get the Skeletor role, maybe not even Beastman.

Classical adventure stories will always have similarities, because they are generally all based on the same kind of warrior mythology.
So true.

The main distinction in MOTU's favour is that it takes place entirely on a fantasy world, which can be explored if greater detail, rather than having to split time between a single city on Asgard and New Mexico. MOTU can be entirely agnostic of Earth to varying degrees, depending on which plotline(s) they borrow from.
I'd rather Earth not really be brought up in any future MOTU films; I know the 80s canon brought up Earth connections but honestly Earth never really brought anything interesting to the MOTU plate.

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GDT directing this would probably guarantee that Charlie Hunnam would play He-Man. I used to be a fan of that idea until I saw Pacific Rim. But maybe Hunnam will do better when he isn't trying to do a really weird American accent.
Hmm... not really feeling Hunnam as He-Man. Nothing personal against the guy but I can't really picture him as the heroic barbarian type.
 
:mad:: Damn it, we've just finished watching the fourth Masters Of The Universe movie, and Adam still hasn't discovered the power sword yet!

:csad:: Come on, man, be patient, just stick with the franchise. PJ promised we'd get our first glimpse of Skeletor by movie #7.


Hey, Frodo took the ring from the Shire much earlier in the movie than he did in the book. Just because PJ's trying to squeeze elements/characters from LOTR that he wasn't able to keep in the first trilogy in order to flesh out the story of The (much shorter) Hobbit doesn't mean he'd do the same thing with MOTU.
 
Mattel Wins 'He-Man' Ownership Lawsuit
Donald Glut, the author of early "Masters of the Universe" comic books, strikes out in an attempt to claim rights to the franchise.
Eriq Gardner said:
As Sony Pictures advances toward a reboot of Masters of the Universe, licensor Mattel has won a significant legal victory that likely clears rights issues on the He-Man franchise.

Last June, Mattel filed a lawsuit against writer Donald Glut, who in 1981 wrote four mini-comics, "He-Man and the Power Sword," "The Vengeance of Skeletor," "Battle in the Clouds" and "King of Castle Grayskull." In the 1980s, Glut was an important writer in the children's show scene and did work for such shows as Transformers and Spider-Man.

Mattel went to court against Glut because the writer had come forward to assert that he created the Masters of the Universe characters and was entitled to copyright ownership. In reaction, the toy company contended that his contributions fell under the work-for-hire doctrine and that he waited way too long to assert his claim to rights.

Both sides brought summary judgment motions, and last week after an oral hearing, U.S. District Judge Manuel Real declared Mattel the victor.

Masters of the Universe focuses on the conflict between the protagonist He-Man and the villain Skeletor on the planet of Eternia. It was one of the most popular children's TV shows in the 1980s. A 1987 film version and a 2002 reboot from the Cartoon Network weren't nearly as successful. Sony and Escape Artists are now working on a new film and are reported to be on the verge of picking a director.

But as the new film is being developed, out came Glut, a former freelancer for Western Publishing Company, who according to Mattel, was hired in 1981 to write a "backstory" for the characters in what was then the company's new boys' brand. Three decades later, the nature of Glut's working relationship became the focus of the lawsuit.

Glut argued that Mattel couldn't produce the specific work-for-hire agreement that would make the toy company the statutory author of the work. Glut contended that he instead licensed He-Man to Mattel and that such a license was subject to termination in 2016.

In response, Mattel put forward other agreements to support the proposition that the parties had understood that Masters of the Universe was a work-for-hire. The plaintiff pointed to statements that Glut had made over the years confirming as much. And if there was any confusion, Mattel added, Glut had a legal obligation to come forward much sooner with an objection.

"If one were to write a law school hypothetical to teach when it is appropriate to apply the equitable doctrine of laches, one might borrow from the story of Defendant Donald F. Glut," said Mattel in its summary judgment motion. "Defendant's story provides a textbook example of a party who unreasonably delayed in asserting copyright ownership in a written work to the extreme prejudice of the ostensible copyright holder, Plaintiff Mattel Inc."

Glut's attorneys argued that his delay wasn't unreasonable because he asserted his claim fell within the statutory termination period provided for in the Copyright Act.

But Mattel's lawyers including Larry Iser at Kinsella Weitzman were able to rebut this by framing the dispute as one over ownership. If Glut's comics were created as a work-for-hire, Mattel said, Glut never owned the copyright, could never have licensed it and therefore couldn't have terminated it. Given Mattel's exploitation of the brand over the years, Glut could have filed a lawsuit earlier.

A full written order hasn't been issued yet, but at the oral hearing, the judge agreed with Mattel's arguments over laches and also pointed to the evidence supporting Glut's work as being commissioned by Mattel as a work-for-hire.
 
^ I wonder if this will cause the screenwriters to deliberately shy away from the mini-comics.
 
Glut's comics weren't very compelling additions to He-Man lore.I'm hoping they stick to the 80's show,which (unsurprisingly) had the most success.
 
I'd like to see them combine elements of both the 1980s show and the 2002 show. The Glut comics I like for my own reasons, but I agree with Torch, they don't really make this property all that marketable to a mass audience.

1980s show: Talking animals, Granamyr, basic Power Sword, feathery Sorceress, older Teela, smaller Orko, Queen Marlena from Earth, smarter Clawful, Skeletor is not related to Randor.

2002 show: Younger Adam, more complex relationship between various races in Eternia, aftermath of Snake Wars, council of ancients, smarter but weaker TriKlops.
 
I'd like to see them combine elements of both the 1980s show and the 2002 show. The Glut comics I like for my own reasons, but I agree with Torch, they don't really make this property all that marketable to a mass audience.

1980s show: Talking animals, Granamyr, basic Power Sword, feathery Sorceress, older Teela, smaller Orko, Queen Marlena from Earth, smarter Clawful, Skeletor is not related to Randor.

2002 show: Younger Adam, more complex relationship between various races in Eternia, aftermath of Snake Wars, council of ancients, smarter but weaker TriKlops.

Yeah,exactly.

I think the 2002 show made some minor improvements that could be added (like the ones you mentioned) but, by and large,the original show was fine.Just "mature" it up a notch or two and it's good to go.
 
Yeah,exactly.

I think the 2002 show made some minor improvements that could be added (like the ones you mentioned) but, by and large,the original show was fine.Just "mature" it up a notch or two and it's good to go.


I'd especially like it if they go with the full-grown woman Teela with a young teen Adam. It adds an element of tragic impossibility to the implied romance between He-Man and Teela.
 
I know what you mean.I don't know that the difference in ages matter as much,if it's shown that Teela's more mature than Adam.I think Adam can be 18/19 while Teela's about 20/21.That's the way I always saw it at least.

It's sort of the two-sided Clark-Superman-Lois triangle thing.
She's the Captain of the guard and he puts himself across as a lazy bumpkin.She likes Adam wants to train him to make something of himself,while she's really more interested in He-Man.It makes for an interesting dynamic.
 
Glut's comics weren't very compelling additions to He-Man lore.I'm hoping they stick to the 80's show,which (unsurprisingly) had the most success.
Yeah, the mini-comics are basically "Here are some bits you kiddies can act out with the toys you just bought."
 
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