Greatest Marvel Villain of ALL time

[Harlekin]

Easily because he is NOT a villain, if he was a villain then he would be the best. Doom is nothing but a cry baby who wants to best Reed because he proved Doom wrong. All he wants is power to rule all(even though he accomplished that and still got bored with it) while Magneto refuses to see his people get killed and slaughtered like his own family and friends did, he's not out to rule the universe, he just wants to stop the killing of mutants and if that means starting a war and killing humans to get the message across then so be it. If this makes him a villain then he's the greatest villain there is because his is a nobility in his cause that many will fight and die for unlike Doom

Like Cyclops so aptly pointed out. Magneto is compared quite often with Adolf Hitler. Hitler only wanted to kill all the Jews and the gays and the gypsies etc. etc. because he was trying to get a message across.

Beside the bit where he was the headmaster of the X-Men, Mags has always been a villain. Often a sympathetic one, but still a villain.

 

[lokisixnine]

look at the name

 

[Balian]

I'm considering Doom as the greatest villain, but I think its to do with the heroes he's put together against.

 

[Not Jake]

Where has teh funny gone?

You say that like you used to think I was funny.

 

[herakles]

Galactus can be considered a villain, anyways read the directory's notes, its obvious who is the winner Galactus but I still like Apoc more :P but it says Apoc's power is inmesurable, but you can measure Galactus' so I am unsure, Either Apoc or Galactus in first and second, then loki then doom. This is goin by the comics not the rpg

Galactus is NOT a villain. He is a force of nature!!! How can you call a earthquake, tidal wave, hurricane, and torrado villains???? Galactus does what he does to SURVIVE!!!!! Ever seen those wild animal shows? How can you call a lion a villian when they have to eat! It like calling Living Tribunal a Hero

 

[LouFerignoDemon]

Surfer's more POWERFUL than Doom... Doom beat him.
Galactus, Beyonder, Avengers... more powerful than but defeated by Doom.

Which is more significant: the guy who goes into the fight with the most weapons or the guy who wins. We all know the answer to that.

Avengers, I'll go with.

But he didn't defeat Galactus, the Beyonder, nor the Silver Surfer outright.


Used underhanded tricks to take away their power? I'll agree to that.

However, the Beyonder let Doom have his power for kicks. And then took it right back.

 

[LouFerignoDemon]

Galactus is NOT a villain. He is a force of nature!!! How can you call a earthquake, tidal wave, hurricane, and torrado villains???? Galactus does what he does to SURVIVE!!!!! Ever seen those wild animal shows? How can you call a lion a villian when they have to eat! It like calling Living Tribunal a Hero

I would call a "torrado" a villan. j/k *Just having fun.*

A Tornado, too. But that's a whole different story depending on the point of view of course.

 

[LouFerignoDemon]

Like Cyclops so aptly pointed out. Magneto is compared quite often with Adolf Hitler. Hitler only wanted to kill all the Jews and the gays and the gypsies etc. etc. because he was trying to get a message across.

Beside the bit where he was the headmaster of the X-Men, Mags has always been a villain. Often a sympathetic one, but still a villain.

Agreed.

Magneto never actually had a horrible message if one were to lessen the tone of it. But the methods he employs are outright considered villany.

 

[bcd90]

I see Im one of the few people who put Loki.

 

[Wolverazio]

Avengers, I'll go with.

But he didn't defeat Galactus, the Beyonder, nor the Silver Surfer outright.


Used underhanded tricks to take away their power? I'll agree to that.

However, the Beyonder let Doom have his power for kicks. And then took it right back.

"There are no astericks in this life, only score boards."

Or...to quote another great man...

"In a fair fight, I could beat you."
"Not much incentive for me to fight fair, now is it?"

 

[Fading]

Personally I went with the underdog Apoc on this. His plans for domination are just as ambitious as Doom's or any other villain wanting to take over Earth, but he has the patience and life span to wait it out. He attempts something, and if he fails he goes into the shadows planning for the next attack. Plus doesn't Ozmandius (spell check? always get his name wrong lol), which is/was his right hand man seemed able to practically predict the future, which gives Apoc a good edge.

Like said his strength has been listed as incalcuable (meaning if he's drawing on an infinite power source he has a hulk like ability), couple that with his ability to change his size (as how ant man's changed size gives him strength proportional to his size), and he's incredibly strong. Toss in his durability, energy blasts, ability to change his body to other forms, and ability to practically create powers, and again he's a threat to most teams or hero's.

Couple all of that with a life span dating back to Egypt, figuring out how to use technology that was actually alien (and from a powerful group of aliens at that), and he's got the mind to match. He's seen more things happen than Doom, and probably knows more about the World's overall secrets. Plus it kind of seems his destiny to eventually win, even if it's long after the lifespan of todays hero's. He won in Cable's alternate timeline, and actually won in AoA which does count because it wasn't alternate, it did happen, but was set back to normal by a time traveling Bishop. Plus his ability to create flunkies is pretty good, he's had some powerful horsemen in the past, he altered Sinister and probably has taught a lot to him, and sinister's considered the expert in the MU on anything gene related. Though I'll admit he's had his down moments, he always comes back a bit stronger, plus count that his powers are so great he has to switch bodies because no container can hold his power for too long, and eventually he'll get his hands on an X-Man like body and he'll be even more powerful.

Doom's a close second to me, he always find a way to get near a win no matter the opponent, but his arrogance always keeps him from winning. His biggest and possibly only flaw tends to come out pretty often. Plus there's -

 

[freemadison]

Dr.Doom is awesome.

But he doesn't possess the awesome, reality changing powers of Joe Q.

The GREATEST villain of them all.

 

[Slim31]

Magneto is a villain. And no, he's not out to rule the Universe, just the world. After all, if he didn't want to rule the world, why did he end up ruling the world in "House of M"? Noble intentions or not (after all, Doom has noble intentions too in his global domination schemes - he feels that the world would be better off under his control, and perhaps it would. Look at Latveria. Under Doom's rule, it's a peaceful, prosperous nation), Magneto still uses villainous methods to achieve his goals, which makes him a villain.

I hate it when people try to lump Magneto in with the good guys. Who is the one person Magneto has been compared to most? Adolf Hitler. You don't compare a good guy to Adolf Hitler. Ever.

Buddy, if you've read the HoM which I guess you obiviously haven't then you'd know that IT WAS NOT HIS DOING. he was not aware of what was going on and when he did see the truth he went to kill the one responsible, Quicksilver(yes, SW did it but it was QS fault). I hate it when he gets compared to Hilter because that is the worst comparison there is. When has anyone seen Magneto riling humans up in camps, kill them, torture them, number them and experiment on them? Anyone? easy because its never happened. Magnetos method even if it's wrong, is the only way that he can get his voice heard. how the hell can you even compare methods when Doom kills his own people for daring to practice their God given right of free will. now that sounds more like a Hitler.

 

[Harlekin]

Buddy, if you've read the HoM which I guess you obiviously haven't then you'd know that IT WAS NOT HIS DOING. he was not aware of what was going on and when he did see the truth he went to kill the one responsible, Quicksilver(yes, SW did it but it was QS fault).

And why was it done? Because Mags' wish was to rule the world.

I hate it when he gets compared to Hilter because that is the worst comparison there is. When has anyone seen Magneto riling humans up in camps, kill them, torture them, number them and experiment on them? Anyone? easy because its never happened. Magnetos method even if it's wrong, is the only way that he can get his voice heard. how the hell can you even compare methods when Doom kills his own people for daring to practice their God given right of free will. now that sounds more like a Hitler.

Well, beyond Planet-X, which was later retconned, it's not about the concentration camps and the like Hitler employed, but his ideals and message. Mags is preaching the exact same message.

German superiority. Mutant superiority.
Kill/capture the Jews, gays and gypsies. Kill/capture the humans.

 

[freemadison]

Well I've heard comparisons of Magneto to Malcolm X. He wants equality for his kind in a predominantly human society but unlike Xavier (who stresses nonviolence ala MLK) was more militant in his pursuit of his rights very much akin to a group like the Black Panthers.

Heck, according to Wikipedia (which isn't the greatest source in the world), Malcolm once referred "to whites as "devils" who had been created in a misguided breeding program by a black scientist, and predicting the inevitable (and imminent) return of blacks to their natural place at the top of the social order." Sounds very Magneto-ish eh? Even so, Malcolm X was protecting his own and in his mind the best defense was a good offense.

However, unlike Magneto, Malcolm X found religion (although isn't Magneto Jewish?) and learned from his mistakes. He learned to go about his pursuit of freedoms in a different way.

"In the past, yes, I have made sweeping indictments of all white people. I will never be guilty of that again — as I know now that some white people are truly sincere, that some truly are capable of being brotherly toward a black man. The true Islam has shown me that a blanket indictment of all white people is as wrong as when whites make blanket indictments against blacks."

"While in Mecca, for the first time in my life, I could call a man with blond hair and blue eyes my brother."

Magneto is hardly similar to the pure, bigoted evil which Hitler has popularly come to represent in Western Culture. If anything, Doom is Hitler.

I guess Magneto needs to find Islam. hahaha.

The More You Know!

 

[Harlekin]

Doom really isn't relatable to Hitler. Sure, Doom is a bad guy, and will stop at nothing to achieve his goals, to him, there is only one person superior to all others. Himself. You'll never see him hunting down those he considers genetically inferior (such as say... Magneto).

 

[T'Jai]

Doom is the greatest quite simply cause he's right on the multiple occasions where he's taken over the world it was Utopia... but the actual poll question was who is the most powerful, of the choices... Galactus

 

[Ironman24]

Dr. Doom, he and my guy Iron Man had some classic battles.

 

[T'Jai]

Dr. Doom, he and my guy Iron Man had some classic battles.

Iron who?? the name sounds vaguely familiar...

 

[herakles]

I would call a "torrado" a villan. j/k *Just having fun.*

A Tornado, too. But that's a whole different story depending on the point of view of course.

I know I've come to rely on spell check TOO much, I can't spell any more!!

 

[Cyclops]

Doom is the greatest quite simply cause he's right on the multiple occasions where he's taken over the world it was Utopia... but the actual poll question was who is the most powerful, of the choices... Galactus

But the Thread question is "Who is the Greatest"? Seems like we've got a contradiction in terminology here. Good job, thread-starter guy.

 

[LouFerignoDemon]

"There are no astericks in this life, only score boards."

Or...to quote another great man...

"In a fair fight, I could beat you."
"Not much incentive for me to fight fair, now is it?"

Actually, the conditions for winning make ALL of the difference. And notice that after he got all that great power, he was always smacked back down.

So, did he complete the goal in winning? Or just get halfway there?

 

[LouFerignoDemon]

Post!! Double!!

 

[LouFerignoDemon]

I know I've come to rely on spell check TOO much, I can't spell any more!!

Nah, I was joking around. It's cool. *Hugs.* I don't expect perfect spelling from anybody. Hell, I can barely spell myself.

 

[LouFerignoDemon]

Well I've heard comparisons of Magneto to Malcolm X. He wants equality for his kind in a predominantly human society but unlike Xavier (who stresses nonviolence ala MLK) was more militant in his pursuit of his rights very much akin to a group like the Black Panthers.

Heck, according to Wikipedia (which isn't the greatest source in the world), Malcolm once referred "to whites as "devils" who had been created in a misguided breeding program by a black scientist, and predicting the inevitable (and imminent) return of blacks to their natural place at the top of the social order." Sounds very Magneto-ish eh? Even so, Malcolm X was protecting his own and in his mind the best defense was a good offense.

However, unlike Magneto, Malcolm X found religion (although isn't Magneto Jewish?) and learned from his mistakes. He learned to go about his pursuit of freedoms in a different way.

"In the past, yes, I have made sweeping indictments of all white people. I will never be guilty of that again — as I know now that some white people are truly sincere, that some truly are capable of being brotherly toward a black man. The true Islam has shown me that a blanket indictment of all white people is as wrong as when whites make blanket indictments against blacks."

"While in Mecca, for the first time in my life, I could call a man with blond hair and blue eyes my brother."

Magneto is hardly similar to the pure, bigoted evil which Hitler has popularly come to represent in Western Culture. If anything, Doom is Hitler.

I guess Magneto needs to find Islam. hahaha.

The More You Know!

Though I don't really see how your explanation of Malcom X served in the whole Magneto/Hitler point, but Magneto could DEFINITELY be related to Hitler.

Hitler believed in a Master Race. As did Magneto.

Hitler raised an army and put the fear of God and lies into them to get them to give rise to this Master Race. Magneto did the same thing.

Hitler would pompously address his own troops in big crowded fashions like Magneto (though any politician has done the same) but only to drive up the patriotic drive of eliminating the opposing force.

Hitler believed in near extermination of the opposing races, though a few would be left alive to serve the superior race. Magneto had the SAME idea.

Doom is just more or less, "I am Doom, and the rest are rats." No master race, not inferior race. Just himself, and his subjects that should serve him faithfully, and worship him.