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[XtromaniaK]

Not one of those is a blockbuster IMO. Banjo Kazooie is one I just have undying love for, but I honestly don't see people lining up for any of those.

Banjo is a classic. It was one of the best platformers back in the 90s. Much more well-received than Crash or many of the Sony platformers. As well as selling 2 mil units in the U.S.



Fable was also a hit and quickly exceeded the 1 mil mark after it was released.

 

[Devil May Cry]

The Hot Shots Golf series is actually quite large.

It has received over 300,000 preorders already in Japan. Mario Party 8 has about 500,000. As you may already know, its a massive hit in japan, with the last rendition selling more than 1.7 million in Japan alone.

 

[imdaly]

Hot Shots Golf 5... are you serious?

Do you realize just how many PS2s were sold just so people could have access to "Hot Shots Golf 4"?!?!












Yeah...me either...

 

[XtromaniaK]

The Hot Shots Golf series is actually quite large.

It has received over 300,000 preorders already in Japan. Mario Party 8 has about 500,000. As you may already know, its a massive hit in japan, with the last rendition selling more than 1.7 million in Japan alone.

To say that Hot Shots Golf is bigger than Banjo Kazooie or Fable is just plain lunacy.

 

[ProjectPat2280]

The Hot Shots Golf series is actually quite large.

It has received over 300,000 preorders already in Japan. Mario Party 8 has about 500,000. As you may already know, its a massive hit in japan, with the last rendition selling more than 1.7 million in Japan alone.

I dont think anybody is doubting its popularity, but you cant tell me you would catorgize that game with GTA IV in terms of popularity.

 

[Devil May Cry]

Banjo is a classic. It was one of the best platformers back in the 90s. Much more well-received than Crash or many of the Sony platformers. As well as selling 2 mil units in the U.S.



Fable was also a hit and quickly exceeded the 1 mil mark after it was released.

"It was one of the best platformers back in the 90s. "

Perfect Dark was also one of the best games ever made IMO and Perfect Dark Zero only sold what...1 million copies (someone double check)? It sucked. YEAH I SAID IT!!!! I was heartbroken.

Moreover, Banjo Kazooie came out...what...1998? I don't see this as like a 3 million seller. Maybe 2.

And don't EVER EVER bring Fable up again!!!!!

That game really broke my heart. I expected so much more. 1 million was the damn hype alone. The s**t isn't going to work this time, especially now that I hear this crap about you can complete it with one button. Peter Molyneux is the biggest bulls**t artisit of all time. Fable, a blockbuster it is not. Hot Shots Golf might very well outsell it worldwide. In fact, I would even put money on the s**t. Japan won't buy Fable. Edit: Wait, I take that back because I don't give a s**t about Hot Shots Golf. You win that round.

MGS4 alone will sell more than each and every one of those titles.
FFXIII will sell more than each and every one of those titles.
Infamous IMO is going to run s**t. Again..IMO
Jak and Daxter too.
FF versus XIII will sell A LOT in Japan. If KH2 sold 1 million in NA after 4 weeks and selling 3.5 million in all. KH is higher than 4 million worldwide. This game has the Final Fantasy brand behind it and it looks like it is going to blow KH out of the water. However, I just hope both FFs can come out before 2009.

That alone easily trumps what you just listed. Easily. This year, Microsoft takes it. For me not to admit that would be absurd.

 

[Purple Prancer]

You're forgetting that MGS4 is coming out on Xbox 360 as well. Probably on PC, Wii, DS, and Phantom too, seeing as how big of a failure the PS3 is.

 

[ProjectPat2280]

You're forgetting that MGS4 is coming out on Xbox 360 as well. Probably on PC, Wii, DS, and Phantom too, seeing as how big of a failure the PS3 is.

Im sure youre just being sarcastic, but to make sure, if MGS 4 does go to other consoles, it WONT head to the Wii.

 

[Zenien]

Don't forget the Splorgenborg and Ngage 2.

 

[Devil May Cry]

You're forgetting that MGS4 is coming out on Xbox 360 as well. Probably on PC, Wii, DS, and Phantom too, seeing as how big of a failure the PS3 is.

Haven't you seen it already? There's already a trailer out for the 360 version.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=aFYmrz4XoP0

I had to do it. LMAO.


But naw...


again..

Go read the kotaku article I posted in the Sony forums. Kojima said no. If it does happen, I will eat my words...but Phil Harrison and Kojima both said "no." Tretton did too I believe.

 

[ProjectPat2280]

That game really broke my heart. I expected so much more. 1 million was the damn hype alone. The s**t isn't going to work this time, especially now that I hear this crap about you can complete it with one button. Peter Molyneux is the biggest bulls**t artisit of all time. Fable, a blockbuster it is not.

.

Thats an asinine statement.

 

[Purple Prancer]

Of course it would be multiple discs. I mean HONESTLY, how much mediocre **** could a developer possibly hope to cram onto one DVD 9?

 

[XtromaniaK]

Moreover, Banjo Kazooie came out...what...1998? I don't see this as like a 3 million seller. Maybe 2.

It sold more than 2 on it's release on an outdated platform back in '98. It's going to be a popular title on a platform that doesn't have many games to suit the casual player. It doesn't taken anything but foresight to see this.

That game really broke my heart. I expected so much more. 1 million was the damn hype alone. The s**t isn't going to work this time, especially now that I hear this crap about you can complete it with one button. Peter Molyneux is the biggest bulls**t artisit of all time. Fable, a blockbuster it is not. Hot Shots Golf might very well outsell it worldwide. In fact, I would even put money on the s**t. Japan won't buy Fable.

Despite what you want to say, the game was good. The story was interesting, the combat system was fun, and the added features were nice little ones. The game was a bit short, I'll admit, but I had a blast playing it. The art direction was beautiful. Still is.

And, please research before you talk. The one button **** is actually a very complex system. It goes on rythmic button taps instead of just plain mashing. You can mash and get through the game, but the experience is much better if you time counters and take advantage of terrain. The 2nd Video Diary up on XBL shows it in action. If you press X (the melee button) near a low wall, you can smash an enemies head over it. Or if you're near a building's wall, you can forearm the enemy into the wall and then gut him with your sword. All of this is shown in-game. The combat revolves around one button, but it's very sophisticated.

If you don't even give it a chance to look at the material, you're just talking out of your ass like always. And Fable 2 will be indefinitely bigger than Hot Shots. I would stake my life on that.

MGS4 alone will sell more than each and every one of those titles.

Maybe. Maybe not. MGS3 only sold 4 mil titles. Too bad, so sad.

FFXIII will sell more than each and every one of those titles.

Possibly. Then again, Japan snaps that **** up so it wouldn't be a surprise.

Infamous IMO is going to run s**t. Again..IMO

I don't think Infamous will be anything special. Sorry.

Jak and Daxter too.

Jak will be good, possibly, but it's not going to become some super-nova blockbuster like some other titles for the PS3 will.

That alone easily trumps what you just listed. Easily. This year, Microsoft takes it. For me not to admit that would be absurd.

Quite personally? I think Fable 2 will be a higher quality game than the same-old humdrum crap from FF. Sorry, but the series is starting to get repetitive and I wish they'd just throw their weight behind a new series instead. MGS4, we'll see. I loved Banjo Kazooie so it really depends. Once again, meh to Infamous. I really don't think it'll be that good. Etc. etc and so forth.

 

[Devil May Cry]

Thats an asinine statement.

Over dramatic much? I didn't like it. Sue me. The s**t was too easy and too short. That's just my opinion and I didn't say that to discredit its potential sales. I'm just saying that I don't see it as being a blockbuster. The first one sold well, but we're talking BIG money here.

 

[XtromaniaK]

Thats an asinine statement.

He's known for them, get used to it.

 

[hippie_hunter]

I hate to say it, but I agree with WHF. This is the worst news Sony could get.

This isn't the worst news for Sony because it's a multiplatform game and the Xbox 360 version will probably be the one that sells the most.

If anything this is the worst news for Take-Two. They're having a lot of problems lately with Manhunt 2, finances, etc. and they needed Grand Theft Auto IV.

 

[Prolific]

dont you think its a bit early to call the ps3 a failure stop being a dumb fanboy and think objectively with facts and logic and people respect your opinon i couldnt care less wether you like it or not but for you to say its a failure when its been out a year your ******ed

 

[XtromaniaK]

dont you think its a bit early to call the ps3 a failure stop being a dumb fanboy and think objectively with facts and logic and people respect your opinon i couldnt care less wether you like it or not but for you to say its a failure when its been out a year your ******ed

Am I the only one confused as to who you are referring to?

 

[Purple Prancer]

I think he's trying to order... a pizza? There wasn't much I could decipher. I think someone is missing their ******ed, whatever that's supposed to mean.

 

[XtromaniaK]

I think he's trying to order... a pizza? There wasn't much I could decipher. I think someone is missing their ******ed, whatever that's supposed to mean.

"Hello.. I would like to place a collect call to Papa John's?"

And yeah, it's shameful that for a year your ******ed has been out.

 

[ProjectPat2280]

dont you think its a bit early to call the ps3 a failure

I agree with you. Its wayy to early to call the PS3 a failure. The system hasnt had enough time to get out its so called "killer ap".

 

[Devil May Cry]

It sold more than 2 on it's release on an outdated platform back in '98. It's going to be a popular title on a platform that doesn't have many games to suit the casual player. It doesn't taken anything but foresight to see this.

I never said it wasn't going to be popular. And I don't rely on foresight when it comes to sales. I don't have the gift of providence like you seem to have. What's wrong with 2 million? Is that considered bad, nowadays? But in fair honesty, it depends on when its released. Motorstorm is around...what...3 million? Banjo > Motorstorm easily.

Despite what you want to say, the game was good. The story was interesting, the combat system was fun, and the added features were nice little ones. The game was a bit short, I'll admit, but I had a blast playing it. The art direction was beautiful. Still is.

Mmmmmk

And, please research before you talk. The one button **** is actually a very complex system.

Woah. I'm blown away already.

It goes on rythmic button taps instead of just plain mashing. You can mash and get through the game, but the experience is much better if you time counters and take advantage of terrain. The 2nd Video Diary up on XBL shows it in action. If you press X (the melee button) near a low wall, you can smash an enemies head over it. Or if you're near a building's wall, you can forearm the enemy into the wall and then gut him with your sword. All of this is shown in-game. The combat revolves around one button, but it's very sophisticated.

Hmmm. I like it more now. Just watched it. But when he said it, he said he wanted to use that to appeal to casual gamers. That's what the man said. When he said it, I felt as though it wasn't necessary since the controls were perfect before.

If you don't even give it a chance to look at the material, you're just talking out of your ass like always. And Fable 2 will be indefinitely bigger than Hot Shots. I would stake my life on that.

Now I have to reel you back in. I played Fable. I didn't like it. Period. I took back my sales comment on it (in ref. to Hot Shots. Again, I don't give two s***ts about it) but I didn't like the game. You will stake your life on it? Man, you are one of those die-hards, huh? Die hard Microsoft dude, huh? That's why having both will be the way to go for me because it's stunning to see people who will live and die by these things. The sad part is, I think you actually meant that. If Fable sales 4, 5, 6, 7 million I will formally give you and your mob an apology. K?

Maybe. Maybe not. MGS3 only sold 4 mil titles. Too bad, so sad.

I love how you conveniently leave out the sales of the other games. We had already had an MGS for the PS2. The climate is different now. This is the first MGS on the PS3 and the most ambitious one yet. It's everywhere. The anticipation reminds me of the 2nd game.

MGS 2 7 million

Possibly. Then again, Japan snaps that **** up so it wouldn't be a surprise.

No comment.

I don't think Infamous will be anything special. Sorry.

And I talk out of my a**?

Jak will be good, possibly, but it's not going to become some super-nova blockbuster like some other titles for the PS3 will.

Ditto.

Jak and Daxter sold 3.2 million. Among the 15 best selling PS2 games.
I honestly can't find the sales of the others. I'll look later.

Quite personally? I think Fable 2 will be a higher quality game than the same-old humdrum crap from FF. Sorry, but the series is starting to get repetitive and I wish they'd just throw their weight behind a new series instead. MGS4, we'll see. I loved Banjo Kazooie so it really depends. Once again, meh to Infamous. I really don't think it'll be that good. Etc. etc and so forth.

HIGHER QUALITY?!?!?!?! WHAT??!?!?! You cannot just make a statement like that given past history, man. We're talking about a series that consistently gets 9s. EVERY SINGLE ONE (except that BS FF X2). Come on, playboy. The engine in FF makes that s**t look CG and they got all the old boys workin' on it (Tetsuya Nomura, the character designer from 7 and the combat system technician from XII). Moreover, Infamous made a big splash at E3. Sucker Punch is awesome, meng!


By the way, I don't see how you can say that the PS2 had no competitors. Weren't Nintendo and Microsoft around? I mean, the Xbox sold less than the Sega Genesis but it was...trying to be competitive though, right?

Edit: Xtro, I'm known for asinine statements? Oh dear.

 

[XtromaniaK]

I never said it wasn't going to be popular. And I don't rely on foresight when it comes to sales. I don't have the gift of providence like you seem to have. What's wrong with 2 million? Is that considered bad, nowadays? But in fair honesty, it depends on when its released. Motorstorm is around...what...3 million? Banjo > Motorstorm easily.

Everything has to be viewed in foresight. The Xbox 360 has very few great platformers, and by the time Banjo rolls around it probably will be popular with people who are looking for a light-hearted platformer.

Mmmmmk

*Cue "I hate the game because it didn't drive me to work for me WAHHH!!"*

Woah. I'm blown away already.

Woah, the amount of completely naive things you say increases per minute. Don't read a sentence in and start making judgements, that's a horrible way to go about things.

Hmmm. I like it more now. Just watched it. But when he said it, he said he wanted to use that to appeal to casual gamers. That's what the man said. When he said it, I felt as though it wasn't necessary since the controls were perfect before.

He wants it to appeal to everyone. He wants it to be a combat system that anyone can get into because it's simple to learn but difficult to master. That's been the point of the "one button melee system" from the beginning. The same thing with ranged and magic. They'll revolve around B and Y and will function similarly to melee and the X button. BUT - it'll require alot of work on the players part to get the best, and coolest, results.

Now I have to reel you back in. I played Fable. I didn't like it. Period. I took back my sales comment on it (in ref. to Hot Shots. Again, I don't give two s***ts about it) but I didn't like the game. You will stake your life on it? Man, you are one of those die-hards, huh? Die hard Microsoft dude, huh? That's why having both will be the way to go for me because it's stunning to see people who will live and die by these things. The sad part is, I think you actually meant that. If Fable sales 4, 5, 6, 7 million I will formally give you and your mob an apology. K?

Umm.. no. I'm a diehard GAME dude. The fact that you're saying I'm a diehard MS dude just because I happen to like a game is maddeningly short-sighted. Many people are excited for Fable 2. Why? Because many people saw it as it was. A fun game. It might not be the most ground-breaking or whole-sale revolutionary game.. but it was a great evolutionary step for action RPGs. It was a fun game with a lot of vision, and a beautiful one at that.

I love how you conveniently leave out the sales of the other games. We had already had an MGS for the PS2. The climate is different now. This is the first MGS on the PS3 and the most ambitious one yet. It's everywhere. The anticipation reminds me of the 2nd game.

Yes, but MGS3 had the toughest competition of all of them. It was in an environment where there were many GREAT games battling it out. That's one of the reasons why the sales were lower. And it looks to be the same way again. A bunch of games duking it out. MGS doesn't seem to be a series that thrives in the thick of heavy competition.

MGS 2 7 million

I don't care about MGS2. I'm going from the sales of the most recent game. That's going to give us the best estimate of consumer interest in a highly contested video games market.

And I talk out of my a**?

Yeah. You do. Personally, Infamous doesn't look all that great to me. Maybe it will prove me wrong, possibly not.

HIGHER QUALITY?!?!?!?! WHAT??!?!?! You cannot just say make a statement like that given past history, man. We're talking about a series that consistently gets 9s. EVERY SINGLE ONE (except that BS FF X2). Come on, playboy. The engine in FF makes that s**t look CG and they got all the old boys workin' on it (Tetsuya Nomura, the character designer from 7 and the combat system technician from XII). Moreover, Infamous made a big splash at E3. Sucker Punch is awesome, meng!

That's my opinion. I never expressed it as anything but. FF is getting boring to me. Turn-based combat doesn't interest me like it used to, and I think that Fable 2 will be the deeper and more interactive game this time around. Mainly because it's not going to be the same old thing with a new feature or two and shinier graphics that the FF series has become to me. Don't get me wrong, FFXII was great. But I just don't really have much interest in the series anymore. I enjoy Fable's scope and art direction instead.

By the way, I don't see how you can say that the PS2 had no competitors. Weren't Nintendo and Microsoft around. I mean, the Xbox sold less than the Sega Genesis but it was...trying to be competitive though, right?

The PS2 was basically uncontested for two straight years. It had plenty of time to establish itself and a nice library of games before the other two consoles showed up on the scene. It was basically the lone console in the market for those two years seeing as the Dreamcast was D.O.A. and because of that, it gained a huge following. It was going to take a miracle for either system to put a dent in it, especially considering the popularity of it's predecessor. Another console that had minimal competition from the 64 later in it's lifespan.

Edit: Xtro, I'm known for asinine statements? Oh dear.

I would say so, yes.

 

[Devil May Cry]

Everything has to be viewed in foresight. The Xbox 360 has very few great platformers, and by the time Banjo rolls around it probably will be popular with people who are looking for a light-hearted platformer.

Meh. I'm kind of old school. I prefer empirical proof. And for the first time today, you made a great statement about Banjo...but it stills does not warrant putting it in the league with the 5 million up games.

*Cue "I hate the game because it didn't drive me to work for me WAHHH!!"*

Awwww.

Woah, the amount of completely naive things you say increases per minute. Don't read a sentence in and start making judgements, that's a horrible way to go about things.

I wasn't commenting on what you said but how you said it. Your urgency was comical to me is all.

He wants it to appeal to everyone. He wants it to be a combat system that anyone can get into because it's simple to learn but difficult to master. That's been the point of the "one button melee system" from the beginning. The same thing with ranged and magic. They'll revolve around B and Y and will function similarly to melee and the X button. BUT - it'll require alot of work on the players part to get the best, and coolest, results.

You win here. I didn't think I'd like it but I'll wait to see the final product.

Umm.. no. I'm a diehard GAME dude. The fact that you're saying I'm a diehard MS dude just because I happen to like a game is maddeningly short-sighted. Many people are excited for Fable 2. Why? Because many people saw it as it was. A fun game. It might not be the most ground-breaking or whole-sale revolutionary game.. but it was a great evolutionary step for action RPGs. It was a fun game with a lot of vision, and a beautiful one at that.

Every comment you make is "Microsoft this, Microsoft that." I never said you were die-hard because you liked the game, I was simply amused that you would make a "stake my life" comment in the discussion. It's something that you'd hear on gamefaqs or something. Also, FF isn't groundbreaking. But I still think it will destroy Fable. Do I have proof? Well, I can only point to how FFX was the 11th best selling game of the 21st century and FFXII is around 2.38 million in Japan alone. I think KOTOR was more evolutionary than both those games by far.

Yes, but MGS3 had the toughest competition of all of them. It was in an environment where there were many GREAT games battling it out. That's one of the reasons why the sales were lower. And it looks to be the same way again. A bunch of games duking it out. MGS doesn't seem to be a series that thrives in the thick of heavy competition.

What competition? GTA4 comes out April and Killzone 2 is for the PS3. List the games that are a direct threat to it. I honestly don't see any games dramatically decreasing its sales.



I

don't care about MGS2. I'm going from the sales of the most recent game. That's going to give us the best estimate of consumer interest in a highly contested video games market.

Answered that up above.

Yeah. You do. Personally, Infamous doesn't look all that great to me. Maybe it will prove me wrong, possibly not.

It doesn't matter what you think. We're talking about sales. I didn't like Fable. So what? I don't like GT either, but that series has reached the 40 million mark. Well, I like GT but I'm not a racing dude.



I think you cut off your last comments accidentally.

Edit: Saw your revised post. The 360 has been out a year before. Just because the two systems come out at a different time, doesn't mean they're not competing. The last generation consoles were Xbox, PS2, and GC and Dreamcast (kinda). By definition, they competed over market share. PS2s first year sucked. Like, worse than PS3s.

 

[XtromaniaK]

Meh. I'm kind of old school. I prefer empirical proof. And for the first time today, you made a great statement about Banjo...but it stills does not warrant putting it in the league with the 5 million up games.

It depends. If the Xbox 360 has enough market penetration by the time Banjo launches I can see it easily getting 4 mil+ in it's lifetime. It all depends on if Rare gets it's mojo back or not. If they drop the ball with it, as they have with Kameo and PDZ, it's not going to break through the crust. But if they manage to bring back the spirit of the original, I think it will sell pretty damn well.

I wasn't commenting on what you said but how you said it. Your urgency was comical to me is all.

I just figured that you should at least delve a bit deeper into the subject than hearing that the melee combat is going to be based around a button and then dismissing it. Sometimes simple things can be very complex underneath the surface.

You win here. I didn't think I'd like it but I'll wait to see the final product.

You should. The ViDoc on XBL about the combat is a good example of Lionhead's ideas behind the combat system. I'm waiting for the 3rd edition of it, because it's got me excited for the game.

Every comment you make is "Microsoft this, Microsoft that." I never said you were die-hard because you liked the game, I was simply amused that you would make a "stake my life" comment in the discussion. It's something that you'd hear on gamefaqs or something. Also, FF isn't groundbreaking. But I still think it will destroy Fable. Do I have proof? Well, I can only point to how FFX was the 11th best selling game of the 21st century and FFXII is around 2.38 million in Japan alone. I think KOTOR was more evolutionary than both those games by far.

It's because all the games I like happen to be on Microsoft's console. That's about it. MGS4? Cool game. But I'm not really interested because I've never liked games like that. It's just not the type of games I play. FF? Good, great series, but it's gotten stale to me. Sort of like soda that been sitting out too long. I just am looking for something new, something exciting. Something that's taking the RPG genre and trying something innovative and interesting.

What competition? GTA4 comes out April and Killzone 2 is for the PS3. List the games that are a direct threat to it. I honestly don't see any games dramatically decreasing its sales.

I'm talking about games like GTA, Splinter Cell, etc. I am aware that GTA comes out March-April but nonetheless it's going to have some effect on the sales. Those are big franchises, and it's going to take some attention away from MGS4. Before those big franchises, Metal Gear was sort of uncontested. But now that it's got competition in the same genre and outwards, some people will find that they're going to buy one game and forgo the other, at least for some time.

It doesn't matter what you think. We're talking about sales. I didn't like Fable. So what? I don't like GT either, but that series has reached the 40 million mark. Well, I like GT but I'm not a racing dude.

Still, I don't think it looks impressive. That translates, to me, as a game that I don't think will do as well as people are hyping it to be. Watch, I may eat my words come it's release. But right now it just doesn't interest me.

I think you cut off your last comments accidentally.

Fixed.

EDIT: But, the Xbox wasn't even announced until well after PS2's release. Even then, it just didn't have much appeal to people because PS2 was already an established platform. Unlike this time around, when everyone knew what was coming before any of the consoles were released. Thus the stiffer competition. PS2 had more time to garner a fanbase and stack up it's library before the other two hit.

And actually, the PS2 sold like hot cakes. They just had manufacturing problems and that's what kept the sales from being super-high. Once they fixed the problems, though, the sales picked up significantly.