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[GFreeman]

If Sony is expecting Heavenly Sword to carry them, they're going to be hurting.

 

[Zenien]

They have more games coming out then just Heavenly Sword, they aren't relying on any on game to carry them alone.

 

[GFreeman]

What else do they have? A Tomb Raider knock off and a golf game? Yeah, being carried by Heavenly Sword.

 

[Devil May Cry]

What else do they have? A Tomb Raider knock off and a golf game? Yeah, being carried by Heavenly Sword.

warhawk, lair hopefully, uncharted will be good, ratchet, haze- timed, unreal - timed/in 360 purgatory, time crisis 4, and infamous is supposedly january.


by the way, why doesn't anyone ever mention little big planet EVER?

That game looks really fun.

 

[Zenien]

The demo for it will allegedly be out this year. Home will be out as well, not that it counts as a game, or a reason someone would buy a system, but it's a 'layer' that might motivate some people if they're already considering one.

 

[GFreeman]

Because Little Big Planet will come out, people will say "thats cute", and then they'll never look at it again. Warhawk, are you kidding? I thought that game was moved to digital distribution only because they didn't think it was worth a full release? Lair is getting not-good reviews. Uncharted is going to be mediocre, but in the absense of an alternative I guess people will play it. Ratchet games I hate, but everyone else seems to love them so I'll give you those. I doubt anyone away from the internet scene gives two ****s about Haze, Unreal isn't exactly a system seller, Time Crisis 4 is a lot like Hot Shots Golf 5, and Infamous looks unfathomably awesome to me, but it'll hit a little too late for Christmas. So, they've now got Heavenly Sword and Ratchet, against Halo 3, Mass Effect, I think Smash Bros and Mario Galaxies are hitting too...so yeah, this news just about kills Sony's chances of having a good Christmas, and IMO, cements their fate as being the "3rd place" console for the rest of this gen.

 

[Devil May Cry]

Because Little Big Planet will come out, people will say "thats cute", and then they'll never look at it again. Warhawk, are you kidding? I thought that game was moved to digital distribution only because they didn't think it was worth a full release? Lair is getting not-good reviews. Uncharted is going to be mediocre, but in the absense of an alternative I guess people will play it. Ratchet games I hate, but everyone else seems to love them so I'll give you those. I doubt anyone away from the internet scene gives two ****s about Haze, Unreal isn't exactly a system seller, Time Crisis 4 is a lot like Hot Shots Golf 5, and Infamous looks unfathomably awesome to me, but it'll hit a little too late for Christmas. So, they've now got Heavenly Sword and Ratchet, against Halo 3, Mass Effect, I think Smash Bros and Mario Galaxies are hitting too...so yeah, this news just about kills Sony's chances of having a good Christmas, and IMO, cements their fate as being the "3rd place" console for the rest of this gen.

You can't be serious. Everyone who has played it said it was awesome. Naughty Dog never makes mediocre games. EVER. Who the hell cares about the internet scene? You and I never talk about GT but that game sells 10 million easy. Haze will be awesome IMO. It's like a Halo 1 with the right multiplayer. Go to gametrailers and watch the clip where they're preparing the demo. Moreover, why wouldn't you buy Unreal? It's gonna be crazy. All those online competitive junkies will get it. I had so much fun playing the last one and getting destroyed again and again.

Moreover, how can you honestly make a statement about their final place when the system hasn't even been out 2 years? It's going to last more than at least 6 years. They say 10 insistently. The PS2 HAD THE EXACT SAME PROBLEMS WITH SOFTWARE AND LOOK AT IT. Mass Effect will sell a lot (to be honest, I'm not sure how much). Smash Bros comes out December. Nintendo owns this December. Microsoft and Sony will crumble December. Then, Sony will own this Spring IMO. People still buy games before May.

And you're completely wrong about Big Planet. Why don't you read impressions? I haven't heard a single negative thing. The game....

*drum rolls*

is actually really addictive and fun.

 

[GFreeman]

It doesn't take the system's entire lifespan to determine where it would end up. PS2, Xbox, and Gamecube's positions relative to each other were apparent right out of the gate. Going two years where you have virtually nothing in terms of killer software, and your two competitors have these huge, mega-hyped games, that is really going to take a toll. And you're right, who the hell cares about the internet scene? That's why I brought it up. Most of the games only have recognition there. Walk into an EB one day and ask a random person about Little Big Planet, or even about something like Haze, they're probably clueless or they're indifferent. If you're expecting these games to be big system selling hits, you're in for a shock.

 

[Devil May Cry]

It doesn't take the system's entire lifespan to determine where it would end up. PS2, Xbox, and Gamecube's positions relative to each other were apparent right out of the gate. Going two years where you have virtually nothing in terms of killer software, and your two competitors have these huge, mega-hyped games, that is really going to take a toll. And you're right, who the hell cares about the internet scene? That's why I brought it up. Most of the games only have recognition there. Walk into an EB one day and ask a random person about Little Big Planet, or even about something like Haze, they're probably clueless or they're indifferent. If you're expecting these games to be big system selling hits, you're in for a shock.

Ironic. The Xbox is past 2 years and all I see is Gears of War. Little Big Planet is a casual game. Yes, I think it will sell. It's fun, easy to pick up, and addictive.

 

[GFreeman]

I'm not sure what your point is. You are aware that we're discussing sales and not quality, right?

 

[Devil May Cry]

I'm not sure what your point is. You are aware that we're discussing sales and not quality, right?

"Going two years where you have virtually nothing in terms of killer software, and your two competitors have these huge, mega-hyped games"

Ball's in your court, playboy. The 360 has huge, mega hyped games on it right now? For real?


I would give you Oblivion but that game looks better on the PS3. But I bet the 360 version sold more, so you can have that.

And I forgot about Socom, Eye of Judgment, and

GRAN TURISMO 5


Edit: Watching this...

http://gametrailers.com/player/23095.html

Does that honestly look bad to you?

 

[GFreeman]

Gears of War and Zelda vs....nothing. And this year, Halo 3 and Mass Effect and Smash Bros and Galaxies vs....nothing. It's cool with me if you want to live in fantasy land though.

 

[Devil May Cry]

Gears of War and Zelda vs....nothing. And this year, Halo 3 and Mass Effect and Smash Bros and Galaxies vs....nothing. It's cool with me if you want to live in fantasy land though.

But you're comment referred to current sales. Look at the first sentence of your post. Gears of War and Zelda vs...


Do you know how much Zelda sold on the Wii? It didn't sell well compared to what it should have done (3.61 million).Moreover, Gears of War isn't single handedly destroying anything. Motorstorm alone has sold 1 million and Resistance is over 2. Gears of War sold...3.8 million? So, what the hell are you talking about? I just gave you a list of games that are coming out this year that have a good/high chance of selling decently. Since you're beginning to sound like a 5 year old (which is uncharacteristic of you), I will list them again.

Whether you like them or not is irrelevent. For all you know, Dude Raider might sell 3 million copies.

warhawk
lair
uncharted
ratchet
haze- timed
unreal - timed/in 360 purgatory
time crisis 4
eye of judgment
Gran Turismo 5 (that is a HUGE title)
Socom




That's nothing, right? F**k outta here.


Gears of War isn't what is driving people to go out and pay $399 for a 360. There are a lot of good games coming up and people are making an investment on the machine because they know that these killer titles (Mass Effect, Halo 3, Bioshock) are coming very soon. Gears is merely an ancillary benefit compared to the big picture. When I think 360, I think "hey, I can play one of the greatest FPSs of all time in a few months, not "OMG Gears is a mega franchise that I can't live without"). The numbers don't lie. There are what...11 million consoles out there, right? 3.8 million (which might not be current. It might be like 4.5 or something now) compared to 11 million aint a mega franchise. MGS3 sold around 4 million and Xtro pointed out (validly) that those sales don't warrant an "OMG" type of response. While the list I just gave you has some really good games, the PS3 fans get the amazing ones a little later in Q2 2008.

 

[TheBat812]

hahah, i lieterally cant breathe..

 

[hippy fascist]

Barring the fact that The Bum was the only one selling twinkies in the park his last two outings.

What happens afterwards, WHF? After Christmas, that is. I kinda wanna know what you think will happen to both. The PS3 isn't trying to dominate this year like Microsoft, they're waiting in the wings 'til next year IMO. I honestly do not see what Microsoft has that will blow us away next year. They're laying out their best hand right now. Since we're approaching year 3 for them, it seems logical. The system only has about 2 to 3 more years left. (not that I'm saying the demand will plummet or something, but it's a 5-6 year thing). Put that straight flush down. That's why I said..."SONY...JUST SURVIVE UNTIL NEXT YEAR."

Next year don't mean ****.

Christmas is what counts now, and who's gonna get their kid a console with no games?

What kid is going to ask for a console that with no games?

Xmas is now officially ****ed for sony.

 

[Devil May Cry]

Next year don't mean ****.

Christmas is what counts now, and who's gonna get their kid a console with no games?

What kid is going to ask for a console that with no games?

Xmas is now officially ****ed for sony.

Gran Turismo A-Spec sold 11 million












It came out in June. ONE OF THE WORST POSSIBLE MONTHS EVER. It's also the best selling PS2 game to date along with GTA Vice City.

Remember Super Mario Bros for the NES, it came out in Feb.
18 million copies sold.


Remember Nintendogs? August. 14.79 million.

Remember the original GT? April. 10.5 million.

My point is that Sony will lose this year and potentially recover based on a number of killer games coming out next year. Sony will not die this year lol. I've just proven that games can sell during the worst possible months and there are quite a few AAA that are coming at the worst possible time. After Christmas, things will start to get interesting.

 

[GFreeman]

But you're comment referred to current sales.

No, it didn't. I don't know what it is with you and misinterpreting pretty obvious statements, but this has got to be at least the 5th or 6th time now. We're talking about Christmas 2007. I don't know what time zone you're living in, but I'm pretty sure that one is still in the future. All I said was that the PS3 will now be going two years without a huge, killer app game at Christmas. Since the PS3 has yet to go through two separate Christmas seasons, that is also in the future. Nothing current about it. In Christmas 06, The 360 and the Wii both had mega-hyped games and a lower price to boot, and as a result, they both ate the PS3 on the sales charts. And the same scenario is about to happen again, where games that have been hyped since the last console generation are finally released, while Sony puts out games that frankly have no chance of being of the same caliber. That's going to have a big, negative impact for them. That's all that's being said to you. If you think Hot Shots Golf 5 or Uncharted will be the best games ever released, then good for you. If you think those games will be "successful", good for you. But if you honestly think those games are the size of a Halo or a Smash Bros, then you're absolutely delusional. I mean, most of the games you've listed are barely B-list. Warhawk and Time Crisis are going to be a big deal this Christmas? Why don't you go ahead and list "Ratatouille - The Game" while you're at it.

 

[GFreeman]

My point is that Sony will lose this year and potentially recover based on a number of killer games coming out next year. Sony will not die this year lol. I've just proven that games can sell during the worst possible months and there are quite a few AAA that are coming at the worst possible time. After Christmas, things will start to get interesting.

No one is saying that they're going to die. But the fact is, once your opponent pulls so far ahead in sales, there's very little you can do to catch them. Christmas 2008 is going to be a little late.

 

[Devil May Cry]

No, it didn't. I don't know what it is with you and misinterpreting pretty obvious statements, but this has got to be at least the 5th or 6th time now. We're talking about Christmas 2007. I don't know what time zone you're living in, but I'm pretty sure that one is still in the future. All I said was that the PS3 will now be going two years without a huge, killer app game at Christmas. Since the PS3 has yet to go through two separate Christmas seasons, that is also in the future. Nothing current about it.

Mesmerizing. Let's retrace this. The. PS3. is going two years without a killer app. I am contesting the fact that ANY system so far has one (except the Wii). A killer app refers to sales and I am refuting your claim as it refers to "two years." If I'm not mistaken, between now and Christmas is a little less than 2 years. So, you obviously meant the LAST 2 YEARS. YOU ARE USING PAST INCIDENTS TO JUSTIFY WHAT WILL HAPPEN AT A FUTURE OUTCOME. I AM CONTESTING YOUR REPRESENTATION OF THOSE PAST INCIDENTS AND/OR EVENTS. Why is this so hard to understand?

In Christmas 06, The 360 and the Wii both had mega-hyped games

What's the year now?

And again, the 4 something million from GoW (you know, the actual statistic, is more potent than you flailing about telling me that it was mega-hyped. We know it was mega-hyped. Fable 2 was mega hyped and it only sold 2 million. What the hell is your point?

...and a lower price to boot, and as a result, they both ate the PS3 on the sales charts.

Now, you're making sense

And the same scenario is about to happen again, where games that have been hyped since the last console generation are finally released, while Sony puts out games that frankly have no chance of being of the same caliber.

LMAO you just acknowledged that you are switching your argument to refer to Christmas. "About to happen again.." SO, YOU'RE USING A PAST SCENARIO IN ORDER TO JUSTIFY A NEW ONE. I'M TELLING YOU THAT YOUR ARGUMENTS AS TO WHAT HAD OCCURED THAT PAST SCENARIO ARE FLAWED AND EMPIRICALLY UNPROVEN.

That's going to have a big, negative impact for them. That's all that's being said to you. If you think Hot Shots Golf 5 or Uncharted will be the best games ever released, then good for you.

You're becoming pathetic. Who said that? Point to where I said that. Gran Turismo is really popular. Is it enough for Sony to pass up MS? HELL NO. BUT IT WILL KEEP THE PS3 AFLOAT.

If you think those games will be "successful", good for you. But if you honestly think those games are the size of a Halo or a Smash Bros, then you're absolutely delusional.

Who said they were? Again, show me where I said that Hot Shots Golf 5 or Uncharted would compete with a Halo or Smash Bros. I even went as far as to say that Smash Bros will cause th 360 and PS3 to crumble this December. Holy s**t.

I mean, most of the games you've listed are barely B-list. Warhawk and Time Crisis are going to be a big deal this Christmas? Why don't you go ahead and list "Ratatouille - The Game" while you're at it.

WHAT? RATCHET IS B LIST?!?! HOW CAN ANYTHING BY NAUGHTY DOG BE CONSIDERED B LIST? How is a 40 million dollar game called "Heavenly Sword" B list? GRAN TURISMO IS B LIST, FOR CHRIST'S SAKE?!?! (It's the prologue, but that's like a game in and of itself. The GT 4 Prologue was extremely popular and that was a demo. This is like a full game with 40 cars and up to 12 people racing online) WHAT TYPE OF CRACK ARE YOU ON? I SERIOUSLY WANT SOME. Like, no kidding.


But I'll reiterate again...
You said...

"Gears of War and Zelda vs....nothing."
THOSE GAMES ARE OUT.

Past games. The past. They are irrelevent when speaking about Christmas, yet you still bring them up.

""Going two years where you have virtually nothing in terms of killer software, and your two competitors have these huge, mega-hyped games""

Again, nothing to do with Christmas. In what other way could I have deduced that? You were stating that the Xbox has (as in already) mega hyped games to somehow support your argument of Sony losing come Christmas. You were using past stats (a la the 2 years) to justify why Christmas would be the end all for Sony. YOU SHOULD HAVE SAID "WILL HAVE" if you wanted to refer to the future. Period. If you didn't mean that, then don't bring up Gears of War and Zelda.

F**k.

 

[Havok83]

GTA4 is not the beginning and end of PS3 gaming. When people talk about games that are going to push the system, this isnt one thats really mentioned. Its a moot point as it was also a 360 title. Sony still has its fair share of exclusives this holiday season to keep them fine and others like Assasins Creed to keep gamers satisfied till 2008

 

[GFreeman]

I don't know how someone can get so angry over something they apparently aren't even reading

Mesmerizing. Let's retrace this. The. PS3. is going two years without a killer app. I am contesting the fact that ANY system so far has one (except the Wii). A killer app refers to sales and I am refuting your claim as it refers to "two years." If I'm not mistaken, between now and Christmas is a little less than 2 years. So, you obviously meant the LAST 2 YEARS. YOU ARE USING PAST INCIDENTS TO JUSTIFY WHAT WILL HAPPEN AT A FUTURE OUTCOME. I AM CONTESTING YOUR REPRESENTATION OF THOSE PAST INCIDENTS AND/OR EVENTS. Why is this so hard to understand?

Well it could be because you quote sections of post dealing with future events, and then attempt to say that they are current/past events. I mean, I know you probably can't help it, I'm sure you're giving this your all, but your off the wall and illogical thoughts and arguments can sometimes be difficult to comprehend. For instance, for you, quoting something that is clearly dealing with future events and saying that they instead deal with current events probably makes sense. Unfortunately, most people see this as a little zany, maybe even an indication that you're only skimming what you're attempting to reply to, or that you aren't even reading at all.

And if you really think Gears of War isn't a killer app, then it is my unfortunate duty to inform you that this thread is taking place in the real world, using the real world as a basis for the judgment of all statements and arguments, and as a resident of the land of make believe, I don't think you're eligible for participation. So sorry

I mean, I don't even like that game, but saying that it wasn't a killer app would be like me saying that no one on the Earth will ever buy a PS3 for MGS4.

As for "between now and Christmas is not two years", I'm almost shocked that you would say such a thing. If you really think thats what I'm saying to you, then I'm not really sure how to proceed with you. I feel like I could type out a few pages of baby sounds and get the exact same level of comprehension here.

Let's try this. I can tell you're angry. And hey, who can blame you, the estimated sales figures of a video game console being given to you by a total stranger is as serious as it gets in life. But the thing is, I think your anger is having the unfortunate side effect of making you so eager to dispute what I say, that you're just typing as fast as you can and not giving any real thought to whats coming out. So after you read this, try closing your eyes, imagining that you're floating on a big puffy cloud, maybe you can count backwards from a 100 (or, if not, I'm sure you can from 10), breath in through the nose, out through the mouth, etc. And then, when you're calm and rational, then reply. That way, you won't make posts like this.

What's the year now?

And again, the 4 something million from GoW (you know, the actual statistic, is more potent than you flailing about telling me that it was mega-hyped. We know it was mega-hyped. Fable 2 was mega hyped and it only sold 2 million. What the hell is your point?

Wait a second, Fable 2 only sold 2 million? Great Scott, I think I figured out what the problem is! You don't have issues with reading comprehension and stringing together enough thoughts to form coherent statements, you're from the future! No wonder things that seem to be "in the future" from my perspective are "current events" from your own. I hope that in your fervor to have an internet argument that you didn't forget to hide the DeLorean.

LMAO you just acknowledged that you are switching your argument to refer to Christmas. "About to happen again.." SO, YOU'RE USING A PAST SCENARIO IN ORDER TO JUSTIFY A NEW ONE. I'M TELLING YOU THAT YOUR ARGUMENTS AS TO WHAT HAD OCCURED THAT PAST SCENARIO ARE FLAWED AND EMPIRICALLY UNPROVEN.

Haha, I still can't get over the fact that you seem to think it's "flawed" to use historical precedent for a guess on the future. I guess knowledge has undergone a severe regression in your timeline. Woe is humanity

You're becoming pathetic. Who said that? Point to where I said that. Gran Turismo is really popular. Is it enough for Sony to pass up MS? HELL NO. BUT IT WILL KEEP THE PS3 AFLOAT.

No one said it. You know what else they didn't say? They didn't say that you said it either. That particular string of words was meant to inform you that, once again, regardless of your opinion on the quality of these games, it was fool hardy to assume that they would be able to perform on the same level as the industry's titans. I didn't anticipate that this would go over your head, a terrible short sighted mistake on my part, and for that I am truly sorry.

Who said they were? Again, show me where I said that Hot Shots Golf 5 or Uncharted would compete with a Halo or Smash Bros. I even went as far as to say that Smash Bros will cause th 360 and PS3 to crumble this December. Holy s**t.

See above. Once again, so sorry

WHAT? RATCHET IS B LIST?!?! HOW CAN ANYTHING BY NAUGHTY DOG BE CONSIDERED B LIST? How is a 40 million dollar game called "Heavenly Sword" B list? GRAN TURISMO IS B LIST, FOR CHRIST'S SAKE?!?! (It's the prologue, but that's like a game in and of itself. The GT 4 Prologue was extremely popular and that was a demo. This is like a full game with 40 cars and up to 12 people racing online) WHAT TYPE OF CRACK ARE YOU ON? I SERIOUSLY WANT SOME. Like, no kidding.

I didn't say Ratchet was B-list. As a matter of fact, if you'll read (a shocking proposition, I know) what I'm writing instead of just furiously typing away based on what you think I said, you'll see that in one of my posts I even mentioned that Ratchet would be a good game and that many people seem to enjoy it. I also never said that Uncharted was B-list. Or Heavenly Sword. Or Gran Turismo. Here's a thought, and beware, because this one is even more shocking than when I proposed that you actually read before replying. Instead of arguing with what you think I said, wouldn't it make more sense to argue with what I actually said? Not that watching you argue with your imagination isn't entertaining, it is, I'm just saying that you might save yourself some time and maybe even some frustration that way. Just a suggestion.

What I did say was that there were some B-listers on your list, and I even gave two examples, which, not surprisingly, seems to have eluded you completely.

But I'll reiterate again...
You said...

"Gears of War and Zelda vs....nothing."
THOSE GAMES ARE OUT.

Past games. The past. They are irrelevent when speaking about Christmas, yet you still bring them up.

Yes I do, and in a probably vain attempt to force understanding onto you, I'm going to attempt to explain, even knowing that I'm likely wasting my time. Go back and read and see how I mentioned that PS3 would be going two Christmases without a big game. Now, do you see how you mentioned that the situation I outlined actually took place last Christmas. Ok, good. Now, what conclusion can you draw, hm? Can you tell me why I might give you an example of how MS and Nintendo were able to put out killer software for one Christmas, while Sony was not? Could it be that I was illustrating what had happened for the first Christmas? Could it be that I was saying "see, this happened in Christmas '06, and it looks like it's going to happen again in Christmas '07, making two Christmases where this has happened"? Yes, I think so.

Again, nothing to do with Christmas. In what other way could I have deduced that? You were stating that the Xbox has (as in already) mega hyped games to somehow support your argument of Sony losing come Christmas. You were using past stats (a la the 2 years) to justify why Christmas would be the end all for Sony. YOU SHOULD HAVE SAID "WILL HAVE" if you wanted to refer to the future. Period. If you didn't mean that, then don't bring up Gears of War and Zelda.

I never said it would be "end all" for Sony. As a matter of fact, right on this very page I made a post clarifying that. Even this escapes you? Sigh

As for the rest of that part, I'm not sure what you want from me. I really can't be expected to defend an argument that you've conjured up in your mind.

 

[Purple Prancer]

He needs to cheer up; maybe we should all trade pokeymans with him?

 

[StrainedEyes]

I bought a 360 for Dead Rising. t:

 

[hippy fascist]

yep, it's the ps3's fault :

http://kotaku.com/gaming/pachter-watch/pachter-blames-ps3-for-gta-iv-delay-285713.php

 

[Drizzle]

If it's the PS3's problem then why delay the 360 version? Contractual obligations? F**K YOU, SONY!!