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[Devil May Cry]

I don't know how someone can get so angry over something they apparently aren't even reading

You're a dimwit who can't even see the fact that he has no evidence for anything he says. You haven't contributed anything to this thread in the way of solid analysis with concrete evidence.

Well it could be because you quote sections of post dealing with future events, and then attempt to say that they are current/past events. I mean, I know you probably can't help it, I'm sure you're giving this your all, but your off the wall and illogical thoughts and arguments can sometimes be difficult to comprehend. For instance, for you, quoting something that is clearly dealing with future events and saying that they instead deal with current events probably makes sense. Unfortunately, most people see this as a little zany, maybe even an indication that you're only skimming what you're attempting to reply to, or that you aren't even reading at all.

And if you really think Gears of War isn't a killer app, then it is my unfortunate duty to inform you that this thread is taking place in the real world, using the real world as a basis for the judgment of all statements and arguments, and as a resident of the land of make believe, I don't think you're eligible for participation. So sorry

How much did Gears of War sell? I gave you the numbers. Moreover, the VERY fact that you would mention Gears of War (as evidence as to a single instance in a long chain of instances that will contribute to the PS3's lack of success) points to the fact that you believe Gears of War has positively affected the 360's sales (which they have though not extremely) and the Ps3's lack of having a game of this caliber has somehow negatively affecting its ability to do well. What tense am I speaking of? You are using unsupported evidence as to what had happened prior to support what will happen in the futureYou can't read. Straight up and down. I am contesting THIS INFORMATION. Since we have real world empirical evidence to draw on, I can contest your notion of GoW being a killer app and a huge reason that one console is doing well and another is not doing so well. You haven't given me a single digit. You're a bull**** artist and I feel like Phaser having to use bold print.

I mean, I don't even like that game, but saying that it wasn't a killer app would be like me saying that no one on the Earth will ever buy a PS3 for MGS4.

It isn't. Halo 2 is a killer app. The game sold...what...11. ..million? The last record I have (which is around April of 2007) shows Gears of War hovering around 4 million. Metal Gear 3 did the same numbers and it wasn't a killer app (its sales did not deliver) by even Xtro's admission. Gran Turismo is a killer app, Smash Bros is a killer app, Mario is a killer app, Mass Effect COULD BE a killer app. Learn to see what type of numbers a game must do in order to be considered as such. And for Christ's sake, is there an argument coming? Where are your sources? Give me evidence. An argument consists of premises that must logically imply a conclusion. Put some evidence to add validity to the truth of your premises in order to make your argument sound.

As for "between now and Christmas is not two years", I'm almost shocked that you would say such a thing. If you really think thats what I'm saying to you, then I'm not really sure how to proceed with you. I feel like I could type out a few pages of baby sounds and get the exact same level of comprehension here.

Is this an attempt at an insult? How old are you?

Let's try this. I can tell you're angry.

Ha! I can tell you have the deduction skills of a small plant. I'm actually having a lot of fun reading your "arguments." Thanks for asking.

And hey, who can blame you, the estimated sales figures of a video game console being given to you by a total stranger is as serious as it gets in life. But the thing is, I think your anger is having the unfortunate side effect of making you so eager to dispute what I say, that you're just typing as fast as you can and not giving any real thought to whats coming out.

What do I do with this? Do I insult you back? You're like a monkey, hurling feces through your cage and shouting "Nanner nanner boo boo" rather than giving me argumentation and evidence to justify your claims. If I'm wrong, prove it.

So after you read this, try closing your eyes, imagining that you're floating on a big puffy cloud, maybe you can count backwards from a 100 (or, if not, I'm sure you can from 10), breath in through the nose, out through the mouth, etc. And then, when you're calm and rational, then reply. That way, you won't make posts like this.

Is this an attempt at being witty?

Wait a second, Fable 2 only sold 2 million? Great Scott, I think I figured out what the problem is! You don't have issues with reading comprehension and stringing together enough thoughts to form coherent statements, you're from the future! No wonder things that seem to be "in the future" from my perspective are "current events" from your own. I hope that in your fervor to have an internet argument that you didn't forget to hide the DeLorean.

I meant Fable 1, playa pimp. I bet you got really excited when you saw that. Don't start your victory parade yet. *Reading the rest of your comment*Again, not worth responding to.

Haha, I still can't get over the fact that you seem to think it's "flawed" to use historical precedent for a guess on the future.

I'm going to say this veeeeeeeeeery carefully and in bold letters. You just killed your entire "I'm not referring to current sales" bull**** Your "historical [precedence], as you call it, which invariably gives foresight (Xtro's word) as to the state of all consoles as they are now, is not precedence at all. You don't have any facts to support any of what you said. Is it that necessarily a bad thing that you are using info on what is happening now to justify what will happen later? No, but when you don't even have an adequate view of what happened in the past or the present, it is extremely problematic. But I'm glad now that you're admitting to the fact that you ARE referring to current sales in order to generalize the future, which you denied here...

When I asked you if your argument at least referred to current sales, you quipped...

No, it didn't.

Now, you're at least acknowledging that the past sales (which invariably are still current because Gears of War, Wii Play Oblivion?, Zelda (lmao), the supposed mega titles that you were alluding to, are still on the market and therefore still could have bearing on people's desire to get a console) at least serve some functionality in your post. Thanks.


I am saying that your representation of those prior games and their impact are extremely questionable (especially when it came to Zelda for the Wii). How difficult is this for you to receive?

I guess knowledge has undergone a severe regression in your timeline. Woe is humanity

Nice one!

No one said it. You know what else they didn't say? They didn't say that you said it either. That particular string of words was meant to inform you that, once again, regardless of your opinion on the quality of these games, it was fool hardy to assume that they would be able to perform on the same level as the industry's titans. I didn't anticipate that this would go over your head, a terrible short sighted mistake on my part, and for that I am truly sorry.

You just denied that you ever said I had thought it then you say I "[assumed] that they would be able to be perform on the same level as the industry's titans." Which is it? And please, point to where I assumed that.

I didn't say Ratchet was B-list.

No, you just made a blanket statment that most of the games would be with your undeniable gift of providence. I gave you examples of which games were undeniably A list. Moreover, you don't know s**t about Warhawk and yet it's a foundation for this argument your making. Why not wait 'til it comes out, playboy?
warhawk
lair
uncharted
ratchet
haze- timed
unreal - timed/in 360 purgatory
time crisis 4
eye of judgment
Gran Turismo 5 (that is a HUGE title)
Socom

There is not a single game here that is "barely B list" with the exception of time crisis (which i never liked) and eye of judgment. Haze is being made to be the flagship shooter for a system devoid of any decent, online shooters and unreal is...well...unreal. The rest of the games have always sold well (uncharted is a naughty dog game, man).Will they do Gears of War numbers? Who knows. Some of them could if the PS3 expands its install base. Ratchet has a good chance of going 4 million. Does that make it a killer app? Hell no. Halo will annihilate its numbers. Moreover, for someone who doesnt "type their posts in a hurry" you sure do seem to edit a lot.

What I did say was that there were some B-listers on your list, and I even gave two examples, which, not surprisingly, seems to have eluded you completely.

Don't backpedal now. You said "most."

Here we go again:

I mean, most of the games you've listed are barely B-list.

I call bull****. The majority of those games have done well in the past and Warhawk and Lair look to be garnering a s**t load of hype. There is nothing I need to elude to. The words "some" and "most" have completely different connotations. "Some" could be referring to 1 game or anything short of all the games. "Most" unequivocally is referring to the majority of the games that I list. So, what I did was...I called you out on the fact that you believe most of those games to be barely B list. Please, the burden of proof is on your shoulders to prove to all of us that the majority of the games that I listed are barely B list. I'm waiting.

Yes I do, and in a probably vain attempt to force understanding onto you, I'm going to attempt to explain, even knowing that I'm likely wasting my time. Go back and read and see how I mentioned that PS3 would be going two Christmases without a big game. Now, do you see how you mentioned that the situation I outlined actually took place last Christmas. Ok, good. Now, what conclusion can you draw, hm? Can you tell me why I might give you an example of how MS and Nintendo were able to put out killer software for one Christmas, while Sony was not? Could it be that I was illustrating what had happened for the first Christmas? Could it be that I was saying "see, this happened in Christmas '06, and it looks like it's going to happen again in Christmas '07, making two Christmases where this has happened"? Yes, I think so.

Now we're getting somewhere. Again, I am disputing that and pointing towards the fact that only Nintendo has come out with games that could remotely be construed as a mega title or a killer app. Around 4 million units sold is extremely good, but it doesnt justify the fact that the 360 has been killing the PS3 in sales. What else besides Gears for the 360 do you construe as being a huge title? Please, I'm waiting. The PS3 isn't selling because of the price...pure and simple. It is selling better than the 360 in the month of July still without one killer title(you can hold me to this when we get the npd numbers next Thurs.), which points to the fact that the price is hurting its longevity undeniably moreso than its lack of titles. Why would the PS3 STILL be the number 1 system on Amazon.com (with an increase of 135%) when it is known that it has no mega titles? Will this save PS3 come Christmas? No. That is exactly why you shouldn't use Gears of War, Zelda, etc as a representation of what is to come because there are a dozen other factors at play. Moreover, Motorstorm sold 1 million and Resistance 2, that is certainly noteworthy. Was Resistance as good as Gears in terms of sales? No. To say that the PS3 has gone through a Christmas without a huge title and then denote that Gears with its 4 million is "huge" is simply absurd. So, what's GT3's 10 million? Colossal? Ginormous? Hell, even Elder Scrolls sold more than 3 but I don't think anyone of us would call it a mega title.

As for the rest of that part, I'm not sure what you want from me. I really can't be expected to defend an argument that you've conjured up in your mind.

What do I want? I kinda want you to get the f**k outta here and stop making comments that have no basis.

For instance...

Walk into an EB one day and ask a random person about Little Big Planet, or even about something like Haze, they're probably clueless or they're indifferent.

and...

Because Little Big Planet will come out, people will say "thats cute", and then they'll never look at it again. Warhawk, are you kidding? I thought that game was moved to digital distribution only because they didn't think it was worth a full release? Lair is getting not-good reviews. Uncharted is going to be mediocre, but in the absense of an alternative I guess people will play it.

Edit: Hey, Ms. Cleo, where is your evidence?

 

[ProjectPat2280]

I say its bout time we got off the subject of the PS3 vs 360 garbage soo here is an image of the game that just got delayed.

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[gtkilla]

^ Eww, ugly draw distance..they need to fix that.

 

[ProjectPat2280]

^ Eww, ugly draw distance..they need to fix that.

Prolly one of the reasons it was delayed?

 

[WhatsHisFace]

Ironic. The Xbox is past 2 years and all I see is Gears of War. Little Big Planet is a casual game. Yes, I think it will sell. It's fun, easy to pick up, and addictive.

That's funny, because the Xbox has over 17 games that have sold over 1 million units each.

 

[Devil May Cry]

That's funny, because the Xbox has over 17 games that have sold over 1 million units each.

We're talking about killer titles. Titles that make you run to the store and buy an Xbox 360 over a Wii or anything else. Dead Rising with its 1.2 million maybe more is not. I liked that game a whole lot though. Halo has 4 million preorders alone, so I put that, Mass Effect, PGR, and...I'm missing a few. Zelda for the Wii could have been but the GC verson sold well over a million and a lot of people just played Wii Sports and Wii Play and were content with that.

The original Xbox had...

* Halo 2 (8 million)[8] Edit: Halo 2 is now well on its way to 11.
* Halo: Combat Evolved (5 million)[9] Edit: it's probably more now.
* Project Gotham Racing (2.5 million)[10]
* Tom Clancy's Splinter Cell (2.4 million in US)[11]
* Fable (2 million)[12]
* Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic (1.3 million in US)[13]
and probably over 30 games that sold well over a million and yet it sold less than the Genesis. All I'm saying is that software alone during Christmas isn't the sole factor for performance. The PS3's lack of software during Christmas is not going to kill it. That's why I keep reiterating that they just must survive this year in order for the playing field to be level. I mean, you got Infamous, GT5, MGS4 and Killzone in the same three month period. So, no, I don't believe this Christmas will ensure the PS3 is in last place. It could still win the "war" against the 360 at least if the price can come down to $399 and all of the AAAs come out next year. I have no idea about the Wii. If they stay consistent, we're talking PS2 numbers.

 

[WhatsHisFace]

What happens afterwards, WHF? After Christmas, that is. I kinda wanna know what you think will happen to both. The PS3 isn't trying to dominate this year like Microsoft, they're waiting in the wings 'til next year IMO. I honestly do not see what Microsoft has that will blow us away next year. They're laying out their best hand right now. Since we're approaching year 3 for them, it seems logical. The system only has about 2 to 3 more years left. (not that I'm saying the demand will plummet or something, but it's a 5-6 year thing). Put that straight flush down. That's why I said..."SONY...JUST SURVIVE UNTIL NEXT YEAR."

As other people have said, Microsoft is going into a pretty strong 2008. Too Human will hopefully release early in the year and will most likely surpass Ninja-Gaiden popularity due to it not having a soul-crushing difficulty level. If Microsoft really gets their marketing behind it, the game could easily do Fable numbers (2 million).

After that, Shane Kim has been hinting that Alan Wake would be an early 2008 title as well. He said he didn't want to show it until it was ready, but then claimed it was coming along nice enough to be shown soon.

From there, Banjo Kazooie was also hinted at as an early 2008 game in the same way Shane Kim said Alan Wake would be.

SplinterCell: Conviction was delayed to late Spring 2008, so that will fit in somewhere around here.

That lands us somewhere in the summer. You shouldn't expect to see too many titles in this timeframe, as it's the drought season for games. Hopefully the third-party companies come through like they did this year with Overlord and The Darkness. It does seem however, that Halo Wars is gunning for a release around this time period.

I believe Peter Molyneux hinted that Fable 2 would be a late-summer/early fall 2008 title in the E3 interview where he had someone from the press play the game.

Gears of War 2, which was in development since around the time Gears of War 1 went gold just might be ready by then. The first Gears of War took about 3 years to make, but sequels traditionally take less time because the pre-alpha "creative" process is much shorter and everyone knows much more about how the game works.

So those are the "big games" panned out throughout the year. Those are only the ones that are announced... Microsoft is probably planning on surprise announcements being as their E3 was so bare.

 

[WhatsHisFace]

The original Xbox had...(snip)...and probably over 30 games that sold well over a million and yet it sold less than the Genesis.

The Sega Genesis was a popular console (31 million) that wasn't far behind the ultra-popular Super Nintendo (49 million).

The original Xbox sold a total of 25 million units throughout it's lifetime which sent it past the veteran Nintendo whose Gamecube sold approximately 18 million.

Maybe you're confusing the Genesis with the failed "Sega Saturn"? Over it's entire life it only sold 9 million... but the Xbox 360's already well past that.

 

[Devil May Cry]

The Sega Genesis was a popular console (31 million) that wasn't far behind the ultra-popular Super Nintendo (49 million).

The original Xbox sold a total of 25 million units throughout it's lifetime which sent it past the veteran Nintendo whose Gamecube sold approximately 18 million.

Maybe you're confusing the Genesis with the failed "Sega Saturn"? Over it's entire life it only sold 9 million... but the Xbox 360's already well past that.

The Genesis was a failure. It sold well in Brazil and Europe, but failed to take off here and in Japan (the two places it counts). Nintendo had 95% of the market share here and 92% in Japan.

Hoping to dramatically increase its share, Sega set about creating a new machine that would be at least as powerful as the then most impressive home computer hardware on the market – the Commodore Amiga, Atari ST, and the Apple Macintosh II.
-That's from wikipedia but it rings true here.

The Saturn was just embarrassing.

 

[Zenien]

Wait are you sure they weren't talking about the MSX?

 

[WhatsHisFace]

So with most of the Xbox 360's numbers being in America, what's your point? Is there any connection you're trying to make, or just bashing Sega?

 

[Devil May Cry]

Wait are you sure they weren't talking about the MSX?

LOL this is so confusing. LOL you're right. They had 46% of the market share. My bad, WHF. Ok, that aint bad. I admit it. But 25 million consoles aint good IMO, especially because the Gamecube was a trainwreck.


No need to be defensive, WHF. I was trying to point out that even good consoles like the Xbox that have dozens of games over 1 million do not end up selling well. You might be proud of 25 million consoles...we can agree to disagree on that. I compared the Xbox's sales to the Genesis because IMO I expected more out of both.

 

[Zenien]

Bashing Sega is easy to do, you just have to talk about them in general terms and before you know it you're insulting them.

 

[Devil May Cry]

Hmmm I actually even bought a DC. But look at the Gamecube

* Super Smash Bros. Melee (6 million)[40]
* Super Mario Sunshine (5.5 million)[41]
* The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker (4.38 million[2])[25]
* Mario Kart: Double Dash!! (3.5 million)[42]
* Sonic Adventure 2 Battle (2.44 million[3], 1.44 million in US)[32]
* Animal Crossing (2.22 million approximately, 1.58 million in US,[32] 641,300 in Japan)[43]
* Luigi's Mansion (2.19 million in US)[32]
* Mario Party 4 (2 million approximately, 1.1 million in US,[32] 902,827 in Japan)[43]
* Mario Party 7 (1.86 million)[44]
* Resident Evil 4 (1.6 million)[28]
* Metroid Prime (1.49 million in US)[32]
* Mario Party 5 (1.46 million approximately, 760,243 in US, 695,530 in Japan)[43]
* The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess (1.32 million)[45]
* Resident Evil (1.3 million)[28]
* Sonic Mega Collection (1.3 million in US)[32]
* Pokémon XD: Gale of Darkness (1.25 million)[44]
* Resident Evil Zero (1.25 million)[28]
* Super Mario Strikers (1.2 million)[44]
* Pokémon Colosseum (1.15 million)[32]
* Star Fox Adventures (1.06 million approximately, 800,000 in the US,[46] 259,069 in Japan)[43]
* Mario Party 6 (1 million)[39]
* Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door (1 million)[39]
* Pikmin (1 million)[47]
Impressive, right? Moreover, it's Nintendo. Granted, the 64 was a disappoint by their standards, but look at all the milion sellers. By the way, are you sure the 360 has over 17 games that sold over 1 million. Because this is the list I have of million sellers.

Edit: Sorry
* Halo 2 (8 million)[8]
* Halo: Combat Evolved (5 million)[9]
* Project Gotham Racing (2.5 million)[10]
* Tom Clancy's Splinter Cell (2.4 million in US)[11]
* Fable (2 million)[12]
* Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic (1.3 million in US)[13]

There are 11 others?

 

[WhatsHisFace]

No need to be defensive, WHF. I was trying to point out that even good consoles like the Xbox that have dozens of games over 1 million do not end up selling well. You might be proud of 25 million consoles...we can agree to disagree on that. I compared the Xbox's sales to the Genesis because IMO I expected more out of both.

And you did that with faulty "facts" saying that it sold less than the Genesis as a slight, not realising that the Genesis wasn't far behind the market leader Nintendo and actually did exceptionally well by most standards, especially for the time before Sony brought gaming into the limelight.

For the Xbox to sell 25 million units throughout it's life is not bad at all considering the circumstances.

1. Newcomer
1.5 ...from an unpopular corporation no less.
2. Competing directly with the ultra-popular PS2.
3. No Japanese support.

 

[Devil May Cry]

And you did that with faulty "facts" saying that it sold less than the Genesis as a slight, not realising that the Genesis wasn't far behind the market leader Nintendo and actually did exceptionally well by most standards, especially for the time before Sony brought gaming into the limelight.

For the Xbox to sell 25 million units throughout it's life is not bad at all considering the circumstances.

1. Newcomer
1.5 ...from an unpopular corporation no less.
2. Competing directly with the ultra-popular PS2.
3. No Japanese support.

1. Those factors are all well and good but that doesn't diminish the fact that the system only sold 25 million."The circumstances" sucked for them I agree, but the numbers are the numbers. Moreover, I want to know which 17 games sold over 1 million on the Xbox.

Also, how were my facts faulty? You agreed on the number with me. I confused the MS and the Genesis, but the Genesis sold 5 million more than the Xbox. You're welcome to prove me wrong as I am a Sega fan and want to know the numbers as much as anyone. Was it a slight...no. I was just comparing its performance to another system that underperformed.

I remember reading articles like this one...

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2002/04/10/xbox_sales_starting_to_flag/

all throughout its life cycle.


In the US, it did ok...I guess.

 

[GFreeman]

You're a dimwit who can't even see the fact that he has no evidence for anything he says. You haven't contributed anything to this thread in the way of solid analysis with concrete evidence....[the rest of the post trails off into a lot of crap]

Yeah, I think we're done here. Your points are illusory. It's an interpretive rather than statistical argument that hails from the land of imagination, using tales of fantasy to connect the dots that reality soundly refuses, and so you spin the master webs of self-deception.

However, I am a noble hero. I shall confront you on your own level in order to save your mind from itself.

You see, a pink unicorn named Butterbuns came to me the other day and told me that this delay would kill PS3's Christmas. I said, 'you don't exist! away, demon!' and do you know what he said? He said 'neither does an argument that replaces facts and statistical certainties with assumptions.' You see, his imaginary unicorn land was under attack because each time an argument fails to live up to reality, it finds a place in his world and a unicorn is struck dead.

I don't want you to come back to reality. Far from it. Continue to dwell in your magical land; but for the love of the unicorns, stop making crappy arguments.

Faithfully yours,
Sir Clubba


In other words, you've dropped several hints that your mind is utterly impervious to any attempt at education in this thread, and I'm finally going to take them. Have a nice day.

 

[Devil May Cry]

Yeah, I think we're done here. Your points are illusory. It's an interpretive rather than statistical argument that hails from the land of imagination, using tales of fantasy to connect the dots that reality soundly refuses, and so you spin the master webs of self-deception.

However, I am a noble hero. I shall confront you on your own level in order to save your mind from itself.

You see, a pink unicorn named Butterbuns came to me the other day and told me that this delay would kill PS3's Christmas. I said, 'you don't exist! away, demon!' and do you know what he said? He said 'neither does an argument that replaces facts and statistical certainties with assumptions.' You see, his imaginary unicorn land was under attack because each time an argument fails to live up to reality, it finds a place in his world and a unicorn is struck dead.

I don't want you to come back to reality. Far from it. Continue to dwell in your magical land; but for the love of the unicorns, stop making crappy arguments.

Faithfully yours,
Sir Clubba


In other words, you've dropped several hints that your mind is utterly impervious to any attempt at education in this thread, and I'm finally going to take them. Have a nice day.

That was actually pretty creative coming from you. *claps* I didn't think you had it in you. Rather than attack what I say in full force, you get me through a...we'll call it "anecdoctal" perspective. "It's an interpretive rather than statistical argument." For real?

Alrighty, since this is going nowhere, I will make the first move in returning back on topic. The screens you just showed Project Pat have a lot of texture issues first and foremost. I also agree that the draw distance is horrid. But I'm not going to buy it because of the graphics. I like the voice acting and I like how they remodeled the best parts of the NYC almost perfectly.

 

[WhatsHisFace]

1. Those factors are all well and good but that doesn't diminish the fact that the system only sold 25 million."The circumstances" sucked for them I agree, but the numbers are the numbers. Moreover, I want to know which 17 games sold over 1 million on the Xbox.

http://vgchartz.com/worldtotals.php?name=&console=X360&publisher=&sort=Total

There you have it. Looks like there are "21" million+ sellers on the system now. The Wii has 8. The PS3 has 1 (LOL).

Also, how were my facts faulty? You agreed on the number with me.

You confused the consoles you were talking about. I didn't agree with you on anything. I posted the console numbers for Genesis systems sold.

I confused the MS and the Genesis, but the Genesis sold 5 million more than the Xbox.

And at 46% of marketshare, the Genesis was NOT a failure.

I remember reading articles like this one...

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2002/04/10/xbox_sales_starting_to_flag/

all throughout its life cycle.

That article was posted mere months after the Xbox's launch. The Xbox sales really began to pick up as it's life went on, eventually outselling the PS2 for several months in 2004, which was no small feet. So I don't know what "articles" (fanboy posts) you were reading "throughout it's lifecycle" but they don't pair-up with reality.

 

[GFreeman]

http://vgchartz.com/worldtotals.php?name=&console=X360&publisher=&sort=Total

There you have it. Looks like there are "21" million+ sellers on the system now. The Wii has 8. The PS3 has 1 (LOL).



You confused the consoles you were talking about. I didn't agree with you on anything. I posted the console numbers for Genesis systems sold.


And at 46% of marketshare, the Genesis was NOT a failure.


That article was posted mere months after the Xbox's launch. The Xbox sales really began to pick up as it's life went on, eventually outselling the PS2 for several months in 2004, which was no small feet. So I don't know what "articles" (fanboy posts) you were reading "throughout it's lifecycle" but they don't pair-up with reality.

You're better off just going with the unicorns

 

[WhatsHisFace]

I'm starting to think DevilMayCry is Spiderdogg 2.0.

 

[GFreeman]

Maybe I'll get to be in the sig this time.

 

[WhatsHisFace]

You've been in my sig a few times. That's all that matters. What's more, I had my sig abilities locked on me for the one you had about the mods... back when whatshisname was being a power-mad doofus.

 

[Devil May Cry]

http://vgchartz.com/worldtotals.php?name=&console=X360&publisher=&sort=Total

There you have it. Looks like there are "21" million+ sellers on the system now. The Wii has 8. The PS3 has 1 (LOL).

Good to know. Now I know how many games I'm missing for my Xbox.

You confused the consoles you were talking about. I didn't agree with you on anything. I posted the console numbers for Genesis systems sold.

And I agreed with you. Both on me confusing it (which Zenien picked up on) and the numbers you posted.

And at 46% of marketshare, the Genesis was NOT a failure.

Read what I said. What was Xbox's market share at 25 million? So, you don't get defensive by a mere question I will ask you more indirectly, "how much market share did all 3 systems have last gen?" I'll look for it somewhere, but PS3 was around..60% right?

That article was posted mere months after the Xbox's launch. The Xbox sales really began to pick up as it's life went on, eventually outselling the PS2 for several months in 2004, which was no small feet. So I don't know what "articles" (fanboy posts) you were reading "throughout it's lifecycle" but they don't pair-up with reality.

Ironic.

 

[WhatsHisFace]

Your formatting failed. Fix that mess.