Guggenheim to explain Logan's Healing

[Brainiac 8]

LOL ^

Stupid Halle Storm should say Slain.

 

[Ockham]

Shouldn't it have been first:


Living Tribunal smites him from existance.


Wolverine comes back, THEN pops the Living Tribunal with a single claw, killing him.

EDIT: Correction. Wolverine REGENERATES from being smited out of existance.

At the other extreme, the current Wolverine also gets smited by opponents that are (or should be) clearly INFERIOR to him. The writers simply can't resist cutting Wolvie into little pieces and then having him regenerate at every possible occasion. So another "typical" scenario would be:

*Wolverine attacks little girl*
*Little girl impales Wolverine's heart, rips out his lungs, cuts his throat, and sucks out his brains - with whatever accessory she has at hand*
*Wolverine regenerates, then pops the little girl with a single claw, killing her*

So the writers are greatly overestimating his regeneration but at the same time greatly underestimating his skills.

 

[Brainiac 8]

It's true, for being a trained Samurai, he gets his butt handed to him alot before coming back and hurting/maiming/killing said assailant.

 

[Darthphere]

At the other extreme, the current Wolverine also gets smited by opponents that are (or should be) clearly INFERIOR to him. The writers simply can't resist cutting Wolvie into little pieces and then having him regenerate at every possible occasion. So another "typical" scenario would be:

*Wolverine attacks little girl*
*Little girl impales Wolverine's heart, rips out his lungs, cuts his throat, and sucks out his brains - with whatever accessory she has at hand*
*Wolverine regenerates, then pops the little girl with a single claw, killing her*

So the writers are greatly overestimating his regeneration but at the same time greatly underestimating his skills.

The former is a much bigger offense IMO, and really im sorry but this "Wolverine's skills are underestimated all the time" garbage happens like once in every 500 comics featuring him. Lets not make it seem like its something that happens every time.

 

[Ockham]

The former is a much bigger offense IMO, and really im sorry but this "Wolverine's skills are underestimated all the time" garbage happens like once in every 500 comics featuring him. Lets not make it seem like its something that happens every time.

Oh come on. Nowadays he gets injuries that would be fatal without his regeneration in almost every issue, from almost any opponent. Before "Fatal Attractions" such a thing happened EXTREMELY rarely -- back then he only had an enhanced healing factor and any life-threateningly serious wound would keep him in bed for several days or weeks. There is a clear correlation between his increasing regenerative abilities and decreasing skills in combat.

 

[Brainiac 8]

The former is a much bigger offense IMO, and really im sorry but this "Wolverine's skills are underestimated all the time" garbage happens like once in every 500 comics featuring him. Lets not make it seem like its something that happens every time.

Not as much as it happens to Spider man currently.

 

[Darthphere]

Not as much as it happens to Spider man currently.

See now thats valid.

 

[Darthphere]

Oh come on. Nowadays he gets injuries that would be fatal without his regeneration in almost every issue, from almost any opponent. Before "Fatal Attractions" such a thing happened EXTREMELY rarely -- back then he only had an enhanced healing factor and any life-threateningly serious wound would keep him in bed for several days or weeks. There is a clear correlation between his increasing regenerative abilities and decreasing skills in combat.

No, not at all. Its just called bad writing, but honestly name me the last tiem Wolverine was beat by a lesser opponent in the last 5 years. Go ahead.

 

[LouFerignoDemon]

No, not at all. Its just called bad writing, but honestly name me the last tiem Wolverine was beat by a lesser opponent in the last 5 years. Go ahead.

Hell, name thirty people he was beaten BY in the last five years.

 

[Darthphere]

Hell, name thirty people he was beaten BY in the last five years.

Are you asking me or Ockham?

 

[LouFerignoDemon]

More as an add on to yours.

 

[Brainiac 8]

Don't forget, when Loeb is on the book, we are treated to yet another "FINAL" battle between Wolverine and Sabertooth....Can't wait!

 

[Darthphere]

Relevant how?

 

[Brainiac 8]

Because we were talking Wolverine Cliches, and a "Final" battle between Wolverine and Sabertooth is deffinatly up there with the top Wolvy cliches.

 

[Ockham]

No, not at all. Its just called bad writing, but honestly name me the last tiem Wolverine was beat by a lesser opponent in the last 5 years. Go ahead.

Why? I never claimed that he gets beaten too often. In the end, he *did* beat the hypothetical little girl in my example. What I said was that far too often he gets "mortally" wounded in the process of defeating his opponents. And I can provide examples of this. For example, just recently I was rereading "The Cure" story line of Astonishing. The X-men infiltrated in the laboratory of Dr. Rao, and the guards arrived. They took our little canuck equipped with superhuman senses, peak-human reflexes, agent training, and combat experience totally by surprise and put him full of bullet holes. No other X-men were seriously hurt during the encounter.

I do agree about Spiderman though. He gets seriously downplayed.

 

[Darthphere]

Why? I never claimed that he gets beaten too often. In the end, he *did* beat the hypothetical little girl in my example. What I said was that far too often he gets "mortally" wounded in the process of defeating his opponents. And I can provide examples of this. For example, just recently I was rereading "The Cure" story line of Astonishing. The X-men infiltrated in the laboratory of Dr. Rao, and the guards arrived. They took our little canuck equipped with superhuman senses, peak-human reflexes, agent training, and combat experience totally by surprise and put him full of bullet holes. No other X-men were seriously hurt during the encounter.

I do agree about Spiderman though. He gets seriously downplayed.

Riiiight.

 

[Ockham]

Hmmm. If you thought so, there might have been problems in my choice of words then -- English is not my native language. Just to make things clear: I don't complain about Wolverine being DEFEATED too often. He isn't. Quite the contrary, actually. But he gets too many, too serious injuries while beating his opponent -- ANY opponent.

 

[LouFerignoDemon]

They're obviously not too serious if he can get up and kick their asses just fine after being dealt.

 

[Darthphere]

Hmmm. If you thought so, there might have been problems in my choice of words then -- English is not my native language. Just to make things clear: I don't complain about Wolverine being DEFEATED too often. He isn't. Quite the contrary, actually. But he gets too many, too serious injuries while beating his opponent -- ANY opponent.

Ok, but what does it matter if he always wins?

 

[Ockham]

They're obviously not too serious if he can get up and kick their asses just fine after being dealt.

"if not for his regeneration"

I used a similar specifier in my earlier posts, so I thought my meaning would be evident from the context.

 

[LouFerignoDemon]

They're not serious in context. Serious to you and I, but not serious to him. Serious to him would be life threatening to him.

 

[Ockham]

Ok, but what does it matter if he always wins?

It matters since a brute with feeble combat skills who also happens to be immortal, is a stupid and uninteresting character. On the other hand, a skilled martial artist who's life is truly in danger during fights is a different thing completely.

 

[Ockham]

They're not serious in context. Serious to you and I, but not serious to him. Serious to him would be life threatening to him.

Ok. Please feel free to replace "serious" by "serious if not for his regeneration" when reading that post, to avoid confusion.

 

[wobbly]

One of the biggest issues I have with this over the top healing is it renders giving him adamantium laced bones (one of the things that made him so unique to me) utterly pointless: the purpose of that experiment was to take someone already blessed with a gift that made them harder to kill than a normal person even harder to kill (ie: it was clear the original intent for Logan was that a bullet to the head would definitely have killed him pre-adamantium, obviously not so afterwards).

But with this rather unexplained* power boost (at least the strength gains of characters like the Hulk or Thing have been referenced in the books) 'Weapon X' need never have bothered giving him the metal.

*I haven't seen what books the following is supposed to be mentioned in so it might all just be a 'fan-wank' for all I know, but one explanation I have read is that the metal originally implanted in Logan apparently messed up his healing factor making him more vulnerable for all those early years in the X-Men where it was clear that he could be killed if hurt badly enough.
However, after Magneto pulled the metal out his factor went back up to full capacity and when Apocalypse later restored the metal he apparently did a better job with the process so the factor has stayed at full capacity regardless of the adamantium.

But...that still doesn't stop giving him the bones pointless: If he could come back from any injury beforehand anyways, what does it matter if his bones got pulped too?

 

[Shockdingo]

Interesting point, I mean sheesh, I used to remember how in a Punisher cross over, a simple punk knifing him in the ribs made him remark that is should heal in a few hours or something of that nature. I mean sheesh, as a kid I would actually get worried that Logan could die.
But now, if all the suns in the Marvel universe (and alternate dimensions) exploded, decimated all the planets, killed all the heroes, Wolverine would come back, absorb the cosmic radiation, gain time travel and cosmic powers, remake the universe and have a "final battle with sabretooth" that is technically their first battle (due to time travel) and clone Jean Grey a million times and build a harem for them :\