Guggenheim to explain Logan's Healing

[Nasty-B]

I wouldn't mind him having such a powerful healing factor if they would just put some sort of limitation on it. Like, I dunno, his brain has to be intact. I doesn't make any sense for him to be able to regrow his brain and still have his same memories etc, since it is the connections between nuerons that allows for all of that, and it doesn't make sense for him to be able to recreate those connections from scratch. Of course, it doesn't make sense for him to be able to remake any of his organs without some extra sourse of energy or matter. I remember during Morrison's run it was said that Wolverine had to eat and sleep alot after taking a lot of damage, so apparently he has to replinish his energy atleast. Maybe they could explain that he can take in energy from his environment in order to provide the energy needed to heal and regrow his body. Or maybe his cells draw in matter from another deminsion. Whatever, any explanation is better than this mystical mumbo-jumbo Guggenheim had in this issue.

 

[Arkady Rossovich]

They are making him too powerful. It's corny and boring.

Indeed.Some fans are confused because these new stories are actually conflicting with Wolverine`s established contiuity.Like he`s takimg more powerful hits,and nearly killing him now.When before he could not take such things.

I hate what has been done to Logan.

 

[VICTORVONDOOMX]

For there to be drama, there needs to be legitimate tension. This idiot just took all of the tension out of EVERY potential Wolverine story that doesn't entail him falling into the Sun.

...totally stupid crazed fanboy nonsense.

 

[BrianWilly]

What the hell is he talking about? I don't remember any instance, any instance at all, where Morrison took Logan's healing factor to the ridiculous excesses of being able to regenerate from a single cell. In fact, Morrison placed very specific limits to Wolverine's healing factor; he got burnt out just from regenerating a single arm, and needed to meditate in order to help his body readjust.

There is no "precedence" for that kind of thing. Like Galact-Gal said, the instance where he regenerated from a single cell had f'ing magic involved.

 

[symbioticspaz]

Just to throw this out there, and not because I'm defending how insane his healing factor is. But does anyone think it would be possible that his healing factor could 'evolve' over time. For instance, I play paintball. After you play so long, your body adjusts to getting hit. The welt still shows up, but the pain lessens the more you play. So would it be possible that his healing factor buffs itself up the more and more crap its put through?

Once again, before anyone tries to verbally beat me, I'm not defending his healing factor, just trying to find a way to semi logically explain it.

 

[Genesis 1.0]

No precendent? He did survive being burnt to a crisp by the SUN while on a spceship and that didn't take long at all. Or has that been retconned as well? I also commented on how Logan loses to people he has no business losing to, off the top of my head the 3 main offenders are: Daredevil, The Hand, & Winter Soilder. The Bucky battle never actually ended, rather Wolverine broke some handcuffs Bucky had on him but still, he was getting the better of Logan for a while.

As to the regeneration debate with clones and all that, then the same explanation needs to be made for all characters with regenerative abilities.

 

[Fading]

I know everyone will say 'fanboy' and all, but I think everyone's overreacting. If there's two things I've noticed the Hype seems eager to rant on it's religion and Wolverine lol.

I agree he doesn't fully get Wolverine as just because others have pushed his healing factor doesn't mean he should, and that a less uber healing factor is better. It's just he did say there was a downside coming up. Maybe Wolverine's healing factor has some limited use like Spawn's time on Earth. Maybe it'll be revealed the more he does the more his DNA deteriorates.

Plus so many on the Hype saying he's Superman now. Wolverine now that he's been upped is at Hulk lvl healing ability, heck Juggernaut healed from nothing before this, and Spiderman came back to life and gained 'claws'. Saying Wolverine's suddenly Superman is stupid IMO. Wolverine doesn't have super strength, super speed, skin isn't Thor tough, he can still be knocked around easy. He just can heal back, but he can still be knocked out by the likes of Sentry as was shown recently.

I hope they tone down his healing factor and get back to his hand to hand abilities, I just don't see the point of complaining about his healing factor this much before it's even revealed why it's happening. I say wait until he explains as he's had the idea apparently before he even had the Nitro thing happen. If it sucks then we can complain. BTW I know Wolverine wasn't made like the Hulk to be the strongest, but Hulk wasn't exactly made with a healing factor, yet their equal on that but Hulk has limitless Superstrength, Invulnerability, and so on with a healing factor equal to Wolverines.

I guess it's just popular to hate on the popular character lol, I just think it's hypocritical to hate on Wolverine for his powering upping when other characters from Spiderman evolving, to Superman going from leaping to flying and stopping trains to moving planets, to Hulk getting a healing factor, to Flash entering the speed force and so on happening for many years and it not always being an issue. If this is some step to Wolverine being a Superman like being I'll be there with you, but wait until the explanation is given and whatever draw back is told before everyone acts like it's the end of comics.

 

[Ahura Mazda]

This regrowth from single cell is stupid because that would mean if you cut him in half each half should regenerate and preto 2 wolverines

 

[Snowmanvi]

I know everyone will say 'fanboy' and all, but I think everyone's overreacting. If there's two things I've noticed the Hype seems eager to rant on it's religion and Wolverine lol.

I agree he doesn't fully get Wolverine as just because others have pushed his healing factor doesn't mean he should, and that a less uber healing factor is better. It's just he did say there was a downside coming up. Maybe Wolverine's healing factor has some limited use like Spawn's time on Earth. Maybe it'll be revealed the more he does the more his DNA deteriorates.

Plus so many on the Hype saying he's Superman now. Wolverine now that he's been upped is at Hulk lvl healing ability, heck Juggernaut healed from nothing before this, and Spiderman came back to life and gained 'claws'. Saying Wolverine's suddenly Superman is stupid IMO. Wolverine doesn't have super strength, super speed, skin isn't Thor tough, he can still be knocked around easy. He just can heal back, but he can still be knocked out by the likes of Sentry as was shown recently.

I hope they tone down his healing factor and get back to his hand to hand abilities, I just don't see the point of complaining about his healing factor this much before it's even revealed why it's happening. I say wait until he explains as he's had the idea apparently before he even had the Nitro thing happen. If it sucks then we can complain. BTW I know Wolverine wasn't made like the Hulk to be the strongest, but Hulk wasn't exactly made with a healing factor, yet their equal on that but Hulk has limitless Superstrength, Invulnerability, and so on with a healing factor equal to Wolverines.

I guess it's just popular to hate on the popular character lol, I just think it's hypocritical to hate on Wolverine for his powering upping when other characters from Spiderman evolving, to Superman going from leaping to flying and stopping trains to moving planets, to Hulk getting a healing factor, to Flash entering the speed force and so on happening for many years and it not always being an issue. If this is some step to Wolverine being a Superman like being I'll be there with you, but wait until the explanation is given and whatever draw back is told before everyone acts like it's the end of comics.

That's what I've been saying for months on end on other sites.

 

[Shockdingo]

See thing is, I'd like it if Wolverine would actually take notice of the increase.
"Hmm, since goin' feral an' becomin' a horseman, thing've been different. Body seems to be stronger an' faster. Burnin' me alive wont even slow me down anymore. What the blazes is goin' on here?" See something like that would have been nice once.

 

[wobbly]

See thing is, I'd like it if Wolverine would actually take notice of the increase.
"Hmm, since goin' feral an' becomin' a horseman, thing've been different. Body seems to be stronger an' faster. Burnin' me alive wont even slow me down anymore. What the blazes is goin' on here?" See something like that would have been nice once.

I'd like that but thanks to the WWII concentration camp story he apparently had the super-bosted healing factor back then too. From what I've been told it was Weapon X and the original implantation of the adamantium (the thing supposed to make someone unkillable harder to...uhm..kill) that supposedly weakened him.

 

[Ahura Mazda]

That's what I've been saying for months on end on other sites.

I have no problem with him becoming more powerful but regenrating from a single cell poses other isseus because that would mean each cell is independant from another so that if he cut his finger and spilled blood, his blood cell should regenerate as well.

There needs to be a limit to avoid such situations. Regeneration is a problematic power when it becomes too uber. By the way, for those who say the Hulk got his regenrative powers later on....they came pretty early and resulted from a dampening of his invulnerability.

 

[Fred_Fury]

I like the idea of an immortal wolverine.

 

[wobbly]

By the way, for those who say the Hulk got his regenrative powers later on....they came pretty early and resulted from a dampening of his invulnerability.

When was that? The first I can recall the healing factor being used was with the Gray Hulk's fight against Wolverine. Prior to that the only instances I can rememebr of seeing his skin getting peirced was by demons or lasers.

 

[Ahura Mazda]

When was that? The first I can recall the healing factor being used was with the Gray Hulk's fight against Wolverine. Prior to that the only instances I can rememebr of seeing his skin getting peirced was by demons or lasers.

Even from the outset, he would regenerate quickly but often it was not until after a battle and such. His transformations were a form of regenration themselves I believe as he would never transform hurt plus if banner had any pain he would be instantly healed from a transformation.

But you never saw much because he was virtually invulnerable and it was only when that was toned down (mostly during his battle with Wolverine) that all of a sudden his regenrative powers became evident.

I was always bothered by those battles.

 

[Horrorfan]

No precendent? He did survive being burnt to a crisp by the SUN while on a spceship and that didn't take long at all. Or has that been retconned as well? I also commented on how Logan loses to people he has no business losing to, off the top of my head the 3 main offenders are: Daredevil, The Hand, & Winter Soilder. The Bucky battle never actually ended, rather Wolverine broke some handcuffs Bucky had on him but still, he was getting the better of Logan for a while.

As to the regeneration debate with clones and all that, then the same explanation needs to be made for all characters with regenerative abilities.

I agree 100%.

Morrison had him survive being in space and as you point out being burnt by the sun.

I also agree with the guy that thinks people here love to rag on wolverine and are overreacting. Sure he can still heal from extreme injuries, but in no way does that make him unbeatable. See his fight versues the sentry for example.

I do prefer the old , more vunerable wolvie, but he isn't THAT different, and still looses fights (and also to people that have no buisness beating him) so yeah.

 

[Ockham]

With great regeneration comes a great tendency to get wounded. The more the character gets wounded the better his/her regeneration becomes. The better one's regeneration becomes, the bigger wounds he/she will suffer during his/her adventures. This positive feedback results in an immortal character.

The first character to be thus infected was the Hulk. Then there was Wolverine. Unfortunately it seems Spider-Man might be the next one on that road...

 

[Locs]

Well the folks who read the Wolverine comicbook return month after month. So if writers have been exaggerating his healing factor ability without loss in sales--why hate?

If it ain't broke...

 

[ShadowBoxing]

First of all in Morrisons's run we do not know the extent to which Wolverine was damaged.

Second of all. I read a comic where Cyclops optic blasts burned someone, or where he cried (even though it's overtly stated that he can't). If you want to write someone, write them correctly. We don't need writers justifying bad writing.

I don't want a writer to explain the Super-Kiss or Bat-Gay Innuenedos to me anymore than I want someone explaining over exaggerated healing factors.`

 

[Horrorfan]

First of all in Morrisons's run we do not know the extent to which Wolverine was damaged.
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Actually, you clearly see him carrying Jean out into space and the sun's heat burning him, his eye sockets and flesh being fried.

It's in the planet x arc. Im pretty sure thats no less absurd that he was able to survive burning so near the sun and being in space at the same time than what people are moaning about now.

 

[ShadowBoxing]

Actually, you clearly see him carrying Jean out into space and the sun's heat burning him, his eye sockets and flesh being fried.

It's in the planet x arc. Im pretty sure thats no less absurd that he was able to survive burning so near the sun and being in space at the same time than what people are moaning about now.

He wasn't burned down to his skeleton though. And I have the issue, Jean wakes up right before the reach the sun. She most likely shielded them immediately after that.

 

[Horrorfan]

He wasn't burned down to his skeleton though. And I have the issue, Jean wakes up right before the reach the sun. She most likely shielded them immediately after that.

He looked very close to it. Plus his arm got basically blasted down to the skeleton by casandra nova, and he healed from that.

And he should also have suffocated or shown some discomfort at lack of oxygen anyway if you want to over analyis things.

 

[Genesis 1.0]

Actually, you clearly see him carrying Jean out into space and the sun's heat burning him, his eye sockets and flesh being fried.

It's in the planet x arc. Im pretty sure thats no less absurd that he was able to survive burning so near the sun and being in space at the same time than what people are moaning about now.

They're going to moan because they don't like Wolverine's evolution, and in some cases they don't like him period. If he's actually living up to his powers then it's not cool.

If it were Cyclops or Sue Storm it'd be fine.

 

[Shockdingo]

Wait, when was wolverine in space? I'm confused as to how he could survive to be honest.

 

[Darthphere]

They're going to moan because they don't like Wolverine's evolution, and in some cases they don't like him period. If he's actually living up to his powers then it's not cool.

If it were Cyclops or Sue Storm it'd be fine.

No, hes living up past his powers at this point. LOL! Fanboys.