Gwen Stacy: love interest?

[SFII]

i love the fact that they brought Mary Jane into the mix, for some foreshadowing.
but i love that Gwen Stacy is right there too, and he must go thru her first.
see, this is why i love this cartoon storyline better than the Spider-Man movies storyline.
they should've had Gwen Stacy be the love interest in the first couple films, then build up the anticipation of Mary Jane entering Peter's life. that would've given the franchise more legs.

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

gwen and peter will become romanticly linked, greg weisman stated that she'd go through a 'make-over' over the course of the series during that period as well.

I'm looknig foward to that. It's going to be interesting seeing how that happens.

 

[Anwar]

i love the fact that they brought Mary Jane into the mix, for some foreshadowing.
but i love that Gwen Stacy is right there too, and he must go thru her first.
see, this is why i love this cartoon storyline better than the Spider-Man movies storyline.
they should've had Gwen Stacy be the love interest in the first couple films, then build up the anticipation of Mary Jane entering Peter's life. that would've given the franchise more legs.

Raimi wanted Gwen to be the love interest in SM1, but Avi Arad told him that it would be too depressing for Peter to lose his Uncle AND his love interest in the same movie (since they were clear the bad guy was to be Norman and he would be killed).

When David Fincher was nominated for the director spot he definitely wanted to do the Death of Gwen Stacy as the story for movie 1 and seeing how it's David Fincher that's not surprising .

 

[Don Yoyo]

Any chance of having Gwen being Peter's love interest without having her dying? Or to "switch" between her and MJ? Why do I ask? I already know th answer is "no".

The real gwen died and this new gwen is a clone i believe and also has part of the dna of carnage creature. I am not totally sure i dont remember it fully.

It has never been truly explained Clone or the real Gwen who "merged" somehow with Carnage? Hope the next arc will enlighten us.

 

[ReggieWhiteJr]

Greg W said that Gwen will do some growing through out the series so I don't at all mind seeing Gwen be a bit geeky. In fact, this show has my fav version of the character.

I believe Peter will get with Gwen eventually. It just may take him some time to realize that what he needs is right there in front of him.

 

[Anwar]

All the other important chars did growing up as the series went on. Harry was originally one of Peter's tormentors before he grew up and they were friends, Flash grew up a LOT and became a friend of Peter's, Liz grew up and became...well a mess but that was mainly due to Harry's mental state, MJ grew up and quit being a ditz to reveal she had depth.

So it makes sense that Gwen would do a lot of growing up and change as the series goes on, especially seeing how she's only 16.

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

Can someone explain how the hell they chose to make Gwen Carnage?

I really don't know since I don't read Ultimate Spider-Man.

 

[Webhead2006]

i already gave him somewhat of an answer spider-manhero12

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

i already gave him somewhat of an answer spider-manhero12

I know, I was just saying.

 

[Webhead2006]

Ok.

 

[Spiderine]

Thanks, I don't read Ultimate either so I never understood the whole Gwen-Carnage thing. At least it wasn't Aunt may.

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

Thanks, I don't read Ultimate either so I never understood the whole Gwen-Carnage thing. At least it wasn't Aunt may.

Lol, Aunt Carnage.

 

[Webhead2006]

lol yea.

 

[Ratcrawler]

Peter: Oh Gwen, you're such a caring and loyal friend.

Gwen: Friend?

Peter: Don't worry, MJ will never take your place as my best pal, bro.

Gwen: Bro?

Peter: Sure, even closer than a sister. So close, we can share the same bed and never touch or kiss...Whoops, gotta go. Later, man!

 

[Parquagh]

My guess is that at some point in the Venom-Spidey battle, Eddie will tell Peter what Gwen feels about him and he will realize that she's always been there for him so by next season Peter may be with Gwen, making Liz angry and MJ realize she actually has feelings for him, regretting the "we're friends pal".... that would bee cool, and to keep Gwen in her actual look, I mean she looks ok and it's more a matter of Peter noticing her inner beauty

 

[Anwar]

It's a reverse of TAS then. There Brock told MJ that Peter truly did love her (which made her reconsider her own feelings for him) where here Brock may blurt out how Gwen feels for Peter when he's telling him why he wants to take him down.

 

[rohitiyer]

My guess is that at some point in the Venom-Spidey battle, Eddie will tell Peter what Gwen feels about him and he will realize that she's always been there for him so by next season Peter may be with Gwen, making Liz angry and MJ realize she actually has feelings for him, regretting the "we're friends pal".... that would bee cool, and to keep Gwen in her actual look, I mean she looks ok and it's more a matter of Peter noticing her inner beauty

I would like this approach.

 

[Webhead2006]

yea that would be nice.

 

[ReggieWhiteJr]

My guess is that at some point in the Venom-Spidey battle, Eddie will tell Peter what Gwen feels about him and he will realize that she's always been there for him so by next season Peter may be with Gwen, making Liz angry and MJ realize she actually has feelings for him, regretting the "we're friends pal".... that would bee cool, and to keep Gwen in her actual look, I mean she looks ok and it's more a matter of Peter noticing her inner beauty

Funny, I was also thinking this could happen. We'll just have to see how it goes but it is fun to speculate! t:

 

[Leenie]

Ok, after reading through this thread, I have to say that I'm looking forward to the "transformation of Gwen" that the writers were talking about. I honestly haven't been paying attention to what the the crew has said about the show ... I've just been watching the show.

 

[DACrowe]

I actually think this is rather interesting.

When the show began I suspect the writers intended for Gwen to have a bigger part. But then they introduced MJ and like what Stan Lee said, her character just outshines Gwen's and she is slowly becoming marginalized.

I PREDICT he will actually get pretty serious with Gwen in season 2, because I would bet all the whiskey in Ireland that it ends with Norman Osborn/the real GG killing Gwen Stacy (as season 1 built to Venom, that will be season 2's climax).

But on the way MJ has supplanted Gwen as the main squeeze because, simply put, MJ is a character that writes herself. And that writing is interesting. It is why despite all previous editorial board's best efforst (the Clone Saga and HORRID "reboot" in 2000), they couldn't get rid of MJ. It was why Quesada literally wrote her out of the last half of continuity (and proved he completely doesn't understand the characters in Spidey's universe. Albeit it may have been a smart business decision, time will tell).

Along the way they also have Betty Brant, a new and improved Liz Allen and Black Cat who are all getting more play than Gwen by Peter and the writers, because Gwen is the "perfect girl" for Peter. In that way they are boring once they are together, as there is little conflict.

Season 2 I imagine will be Peter realizing he loves Gwen and chasing her, getting her and then losing her. Season 3 will probably go darker and I imagine Black Cat will be more prominent there and by the end of the show (as long as it goes as far as the writers want) I bet he will still end up with MJ. Because no matter how hard some people fight it (Howard Mackie, John Bryan, Bob Haraas, JMS and of course Quesada), it always works out that way.

I find it an interesting dynamic that Stan Lee created and John Romita Sr. perfected. It is so strong, that it wrote itself. I mean when Conaway made MJ Peter's rock after Gwen's death or DeFalco turned her into his confidant, they were always intending for it to be temporary...yet it didn't happen that way. I imagine that is what is happening to an extent in this show.

 

[Venomfan]

my gripe is just that she feels like Chloe from smallville in cartoon form

 

[DACrowe]

i love the fact that they brought Mary Jane into the mix, for some foreshadowing.
but i love that Gwen Stacy is right there too, and he must go thru her first.
see, this is why i love this cartoon storyline better than the Spider-Man movies storyline.
they should've had Gwen Stacy be the love interest in the first couple films, then build up the anticipation of Mary Jane entering Peter's life. that would've given the franchise more legs.

I'm not a huge proponent of how MJ is depicted in the Spidey movies (i.e. I don't like it). I think it happened as a combination of Koepp writing a generic girlfriend in SM1 and Dunst giving lazy performances in the sequels that were only saved by the writing in SM2 and her chemistry with Maguire in all 3.

With that said I understand the logic behind making it just MJ. Raimi was making each movie to stand on its own and a trilogy to be his "interpretation." He, nor the producers, were operating under "countless sequels" or "a planned six movie saga," despite what fans want. Raimi was trying to get everything he wanted to say in 6 hours. That meant streamlining. Love was a major part of Peter Parker's life, but instead of having numerous love interests he narrowed it down to one. In fact I think Gwen Stacy being the "other woman" in SM3 shows the problems with having more than one. If he had introduced MJ as the other woman in the first movie and then killed Gwen off at the end of SM2 (as most fans propose as their trilogy), there is no way Peter would have been ready for a relationship with a secret-identity-knowing MJ at the end of SM3.

So, I understand the logic there. Albeit I still think MJ could have been much better written and performed. The only real positive thing I can say is she and Maguire had great chemistry so it made her endearing to the audience (in the first two, anyway).

 

[Syncos]

I actually think this is rather interesting.

When the show began I suspect the writers intended for Gwen to have a bigger part. But then they introduced MJ and like what Stan Lee said, her character just outshines Gwen's and she is slowly becoming marginalized.

I PREDICT he will actually get pretty serious with Gwen in season 2, because I would bet all the whiskey in Ireland that it ends with Norman Osborn/the real GG killing Gwen Stacy (as season 1 built to Venom, that will be season 2's climax).

But on the way MJ has supplanted Gwen as the main squeeze because, simply put, MJ is a character that writes herself. And that writing is interesting. It is why despite all previous editorial board's best efforst (the Clone Saga and HORRID "reboot" in 2000), they couldn't get rid of MJ. It was why Quesada literally wrote her out of the last half of continuity (and proved he completely doesn't understand the characters in Spidey's universe. Albeit it may have been a smart business decision, time will tell).

Along the way they also have Betty Brant, a new and improved Liz Allen and Black Cat who are all getting more play than Gwen by Peter and the writers, because Gwen is the "perfect girl" for Peter. In that way they are boring once they are together, as there is little conflict.

Season 2 I imagine will be Peter realizing he loves Gwen and chasing her, getting her and then losing her. Season 3 will probably go darker and I imagine Black Cat will be more prominent there and by the end of the show (as long as it goes as far as the writers want) I bet he will still end up with MJ. Because no matter how hard some people fight it (Howard Mackie, John Bryan, Bob Haraas, JMS and of course Quesada), it always works out that way.

I find it an interesting dynamic that Stan Lee created and John Romita Sr. perfected. It is so strong, that it wrote itself. I mean when Conaway made MJ Peter's rock after Gwen's death or DeFalco turned her into his confidant, they were always intending for it to be temporary...yet it didn't happen that way. I imagine that is what is happening to an extent in this show.

Very well put. I agree with just about every point made here.

 

[Anwar]

As for everyone who thinks Gwen will be killed off right off the bat, she won't. She isn't going to die in this series at all.