The Dark Knight Harley Quinn

[The Guard]

I'm in total agreement. Furthermore, I'd like to say that anyone who likes Harley Quinn doesn't understand The Joker at all. The Joker is a man who has killed off countless henchmen for screwing up LITTLE things. Joker tells you he wants red spraypaint and you bring him maroon - you're dead.

You're limiting The Joker. This is not always true. The Joker kills henchmen, yes, but hardly every time they screw up.

Yet here's Harley Quinn, some annoying woman who won't for the life of her shut the hell up, botches his plans left and right, yet he keeps her around? Completely illogical.

That's the point. And that's the JOKE. He keeps her around because she's head-over-heels-in-love with him, and he can abuse her, and she keeps coming back. He must, in his twisted worldview, find that hilarious. It completely fits his character. Here's a sane, intelligent woman that he has essentially driven mad. Here's a constant reminder of a very bright and beneficial life that he ruined, and twisted to his own ends. He even sort of uses his abuse of her to "fill time" between his larger crimes and abuses.

If writers were true to his character, Harley would have had a bullet in her head after day one.

That's simply not true. As I said before, there's no "rule book" on how The Joker reacts to his henchmen.

The ONLY reason the character exists is because Paul Dini created some character that he was in love with, and because he and Bruce Timm were running the animated series, Dini crammed his character into every Joker episode after her first appearance. It's a bad character whose creator clearly has no concept of what the Joker truly is.

Then why does she mesh with The Joker so well? Why do so many fans love the dynamic she provides? Not just for The Joker, but for Batman and other characters?

Also, I'd like to add that if Christopher Nolan feels that Dick Grayson/Robin would be too campy, it would be a completely hypocritical slap in the face were he to use Harley Quinn, whose camp-factor is significantly larger than Robin's.

It depends on how it's played. To me, there's nothing campy about a woman who has fallen into the abuse cycle with a maniac. I have never seen Harley Quinn as a completely campy character. I think she's a very sad one.

Like most here, I don't mind having Quinn show up in THE SHADOW OF THE BAT, but I don't want to see her in THE DARK KNIGHT.

On a semi-unrelated note. It never ceases to amaze me about how most peoples outlooks here are towards actors of the opposite sex. Most of the men base whether or not they'll like the women in a movie on how the look. It may not be the only thing they look at in a female actor, but it is almost always the top thing they look at.

Of course. Both film and comics are visual mediums. Comic books and films tend to present very idealized versions of both sexes. It's only natural that die-hard fans will want to see some semblance of what they see in the comics. And most fans aren't really that good at assessing acting talent or range and relating it to a particular role. Which is why you get clever suggestions like "David Boreanaz for Batman!".

In reality, though, it doesn't have so much to do with acting as it does with this being how a lot of men (and especially young men) think. And unfortunately, it's also how the world seems to work. You are often judged on your appearance at first, and even later on. And let's face, it, I think we all know most actresses and actors aren't famous because they're head-over-heels above the competition.

 

[Matt.S99]

I agree on that. Believe me, I know the area well enough. Kind of reminds me of John Travolta before he did Pulp Fiction.

SMG in Pulp Fiction. Interesting...lol

So who do we have up on the list of possibles?

Rachel McAdams
Sarah Michelle Gellar
Kristen Bell
Brittany Murphy

zooey deschanel

 

[TwilightPro101]

Another great one.

 

[killingyouguy]

I agree on that. Believe me, I know the area well enough. Kind of reminds me of John Travolta before he did Pulp Fiction.

SMG in Pulp Fiction. Interesting...lol

So who do we have up on the list of possibles?

Rachel McAdams
Sarah Michelle Gellar
Kristen Bell
Brittany Murphy

Christina Ricci

 

[TwilightPro101]

Personally I can't see it, but then again it's been forever since I've seen her in anything.

 

[mrsparkle]

 

[TwilightPro101]

Nice one.

 

[Shoemeister]

This = Kristen Bell for Harley

Yes. She MUST be cast!!!

 

[TwilightPro101]

We need a banner or poster or something to announce Kristen Bell as Harley Group or something like that.

 

[Doc Holliday]

Seeing her like that totally changes my perception of her.

 

[Nepenthes]

Furthermore, I'd like to say that anyone who likes Harley Quinn doesn't understand The Joker at all.

Man I'm glad we've got you here to enlighten us on who the Joker really is :

The ONLY reason the character exists is because Paul Dini created some character that he was in love with, and because he and Bruce Timm were running the animated series, Dini crammed his character into every Joker episode after her first appearance. It's a bad character whose creator clearly has no concept of what the Joker truly is.

Many writers apart from Dini have used Harley in the comics. Obviously they think she has some value. BTW Dini also gave us a Joker that is arguably the most representative and well-liked outside of single issues. I think he clearly "understands the concept". You need to get your head around what comic characters really are.

 

[The Redux 714]

Look...Harley is a fox, Joker is nuts. It's perfect.

 

[Doc Holliday]

Look...Harley is a fox, Joker is nuts. It's perfect.

Except that she isn't right for the movies.

 

[batdude]

I don't know that I've ever seen Harley portrayed as well as she was in the cartoon. but I think Bell or Murphy could do it. Gellar? I don't know. There's a tendency to cast Buffy people for a lot of roles on this board. Sometimes they don't fit.

 

[Doc Holliday]

Who else from Buffy has been mentioned as a casting choice?

 

[S_H_F_4839]

something I think would be kind of funny would be have harley be a fan of the jokers work the way they are talking about a faux hero who likes batmans and she makes the mistake of calling joker puddin leading to her being beaten to death with a crowbar.

 

[Paste Pot Pete]

Strictly from a business standpoint, bringing in Harley makes sense. This series is in desperate need of...well, chicks. Hot chicks.

We're looking at the 18-35 male demographic, here. The previous Bat franchise offered boys and men across the world Kim Basinger, Michelle Pfeiffer, Nicole Kidman, Uma Thurman, Elle McPherson. Begins had Holmes, who's long past her Dawson's heyday. By the time the film came out, Cruise had already punched her one-way ticket to Crazytown. Now there's Gyllenhaal - great actress, and cute...but, ya know.

This series could reach critical sausage fest status without Harl.

(This post started out as a sort of tongue-in-cheek T&A call to arms, but it's actually pretty true.)

 

[Crook]

If you're going into a Batman film, and one of the things on your mind is "will this be a sausagefest?"....well, I think priorities need to be straightened out.

 

[Paste Pot Pete]

If you're going into a Batman film, and one of the things on your mind is "will this be a sausagefest?"....well, I think priorities need to be straightened out.

Women are always top priority.

Yes, even above Batman.

::ducks::

 

[Mike_D202]

We need a banner or poster or something to announce Kristen Bell as Harley Group or something like that.

I remember seeing banners for Lachy Hulme, Crispen Glover, and a few others for the joker (even a website dedicated to the individual to be cast).

Then they did a 360 and got Heath Ledger, LOL. I dont think banners will help.

 

[Crook]

Women are always top priority.

Yes, even above Batman.

::ducks::

Women above Batman?













..wait, in what way?

 

[Paste Pot Pete]

Women above Batman?

..wait, in what way?

In the way that I'm sexually attracted to them.

What about you?

 

[The Jengeneer]

Strictly from a business standpoint, bringing in Harley makes sense. This series is in desperate need of...well, chicks. Hot chicks.

We're looking at the 18-35 male demographic, here. The previous Bat franchise offered boys and men across the world Kim Basinger, Michelle Pfeiffer, Nicole Kidman, Uma Thurman, Elle McPherson. Begins had Holmes, who's long past her Dawson's heyday. By the time the film came out, Cruise had already punched her one-way ticket to Crazytown. Now there's Gyllenhaal - great actress, and cute...but, ya know.

This series could reach critical sausage fest status without Harl.

(This post started out as a sort of tongue-in-cheek T&A call to arms, but it's actually pretty true.)

There's still rumour [and hope] of Det. Montoya...

I agree that TDK starts looking to be a bit of a sausage-fest but not from the standpoint of 'OMG hubba hubba hubba we need a hot chick so we can drool over while watching the movie...'
Films need female characters and when written well they can be more interesting and complicated than their counterparts, there's just more there to extract. Usually though... a female character is just for the hawtness factor in films of this particular genre

 

[Kebab gud]

Didnt Montoya get confirmed bt WB?

I remember seeing banners for Lachy Hulme, Crispen Glover, and a few others for the joker (even a website dedicated to the individual to be cast).

Then they did a 360 and got Heath Ledger, LOL. I dont think banners will help.

I also remember seeing banners for Bale as Batman.. you all remember how that turned out dont you?

 

[Ceb-Man]

This is a post I made at BOF about how Harley could be done in the Nolan-universe:



And my casting choices:

I like the story and casting maips as well. If they don't do Harley in this film, that would be fantasic in another film.