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cookiva said:Mhmmm, gotta love people badmouthing eachother....
arent you, Vile, an Xmen fan.
What about you, last sunrise, arent you an Xmen fan?
Both of you, shut up, because YOU KILLED CYCLOPS!
.TheVileOne said:Yeah I'm an X-men fan. And I think I have a right to be upset.
cookiva said:I agree, you do. But doesnt everyone else have a right to possibly feel another way?
xwolverine2 said:should i even bother reading the stupidass review?
TheVileOne said:Sure they do. But if LastSunrise is going to make those statements, I'm going to challenge them.
cookiva said:Mhmmm, gotta love people badmouthing eachother....
arent you, Vile, an Xmen fan.
What about you, last sunrise, arent you an Xmen fan?
Both of you, shut up, because YOU KILLED CYCLOPS!
LastSunrise1981 said:@Vile- You are not making your decision by reading a review. If a review says a movie is garbage and you decide not to see it, you're letting a critic/reviewer make a decision for you.
.You can say well I'm not going to see it because of the clips, previews, and so forth that we've seen on television and the internet. But to let another human being determine your decision? No. That just makes you a weak and sad individual who can't make his/her own decision.
Vile, you are very much like Harry. You never admit you're wrong, you hate everything, and anyone has a different opinion is either an apologist or a stupid ignorant fan. I never really did hold your opinions to face value, as you never go into why you hate a film, you just say it sucks and that's as far as your review goes.
So, whatever. I'm seeing it on the 26th and no hater or doubter will make the decision for me.

No its relatively spoiler free. Nothing you don't know by already seeing the trailers clips and pictures.Sentinel X said:NO WAY, Harry hated it....big surprise!!!...
Before I read the review, are there any big spoilers?
Thanks...*goes to check it out*TheVileOne said:No its relatively spoiler free. Nothing you don't know by already seeing the trailers clips and pictures.
Your Avvy is making me sick!!!!Sentinel X said:Thanks...*goes to check it out*
cookiva said:I read what you had written, LastSunrise, and for the first time, and maybe last time.....
GO VILE. I LOVE YOU VILEONE!!!!
. I called my pal Samoa Joe and he says he loves you too.Nell2ThaIzzay said:Look, I don't give a **** about Harry.
I think he's been a punk throughout this entire production, and though I don't go to AICN, just my perception of him and that site, from stuff that I've heard about him, etc... he seems like a really arrogant punk, who puts himself on a higher pedastal that he really deserves.
But let's look at the facts:
For X-Men fans, there REALLY IS a lot wrong about this movie.
With Bryan Singer, he ignored the visual aspects of the X-Men (i.e. colorful costumes, HUGE displays of powers, etc...), but he focuses on the humanity of these characters, who they are, what they are about, and this world that they lived in.
Rater (rather, Kinberg & Penn) focused on the flashy aspects of the X-Men, claiming every scene was inspired by a page in the comics. Storm flies, we have Fastball Specials, we have the Danger Room, but the essence of these characters has been lost. Just see how the Phoenix Saga is being handled, and look at what's happened to Cyclops.
Singer's movies didn't LOOK like the X-Men, but they FELT like the X-Men. Kinberg & Penn made a movie that LOOKS like the X-Men, but doesn't FEEL like the X-Men.
At least in certain parts, because having not seen the movie, I'm still convinced that they got more right than they got wrong.
But look at what they did get wrong. Some people can yammer on and on about how this is an adaptation, and will never be the comics, all they want. But this movie forsakes what the Phoenix Saga is really about, and it forsakes the essence of the characters, and it totally disrespects one of the biggest characters in the X-Men period, let alone in this particular story, Cyclops.
That's a VERY HUGE deviation from the source material. That's not changing the Phoenix Saga to take place on Earth instead of in space. That's not making Jean Grey a Dr. when she's not in the comics. That's not changing some costumes, or focusing on Rogue's insecurity instead of her flight and super strength.
That's TOTAL DISRESPECT FOR ONE OF THE FICTION'S MOST IMPORTANT CHARACTERS EVER, and his absence from this story inherently makes it a worse story, because now the story isn't what it was about before, Dark Phoenix is just now a bigger, more badass villian that they have to defeat. The Dark Phoenix storyline has lost the essence of what it was about.
Harry, and anyone for that matter, who has complaints with this movie, has some really valid, legitamate complaints, now that our worst fears about this movie have come true.
There's no more conspiracy theories on how Fox is hiding Cyclops' death. There's no more "Cyclops is just thought to be dead but comes back later"
Cyclops dies. The Phoenix Saga, in it's essence, is ruined.
So now there's 2 things left to do;
-Either watch the movie, and enjoy it because there are lots of other things that they got right, and enjoy the movie DESPITE the deviations taken to the Phoenix Saga
or
-Watch the movie, and absolutley hate it because of certain creative choices
I choose to watch this movie for myself. I don't care about critics. Through everything I know about this movie, I think that I will end up disagreeing with the negative reviews from Harry and the like. I think I will enjoy this movie. And I still feel that this movie has potential to be the best one of the series.
For some people, these creative changes are too much to handle though, and that's perfectly fine. I'm very upset with it. I've cherished these films because up to this point, they got these characters and the world right. And now in the big finally, the climax of the trilogy, it's in the wrong hands (whoever that might be, Kinberg & Penn, Ratner, Fox w/o Singer, whoever), and they have butchered the story, and highly disrespected a great character.
Now it's just a matter of if I'll be able to get past that and enjoy the rest of the movie. Which, despite the nagative blow this movie has had dealt to it in the handling of Cyclops, I think I will be able to enjoy the rest of the movie.