Chris Wallace
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Nevertheless, regardless of the material, it's the integrity of the design that's important. And that should be maintained whenever possible.
Nevertheless, regardless of the material, it's the integrity of the design that's important. And that should be maintained whenever possible.
I guess. Honestly, there's nothing inherently wrong with a redesign if it still looks good, although I will admit that in most cases where they changed the costume a lot, I would have preferred something closer to the original. However, most of the cases where I disliked the change were cases where the change made less sense than something truer to the original (Nite-Owl's movie costume couldn't have existed in the late 60s). I think it largely depends on how good/iconic the original design was. Bullseye and Elektra's outfits, for example, didn't bother me one way or the other
No, there IS nothing wrong if it still ooks good. But I think we're accepting more change than necessary. Did the Dark Knight costume TRULY look good? I think they went overboard for the sake of neck mobility & the suit looked robotic. Moreso than the much-maligned Green Goblin suit.
Which wasn't even noticeable btw.
Hahaha!
Seriously! Just watch the scene near the end when his sonar vision goes out and he's somewhat frantically looking left to right, he still moves his entire upper frame instead of just his neck.
Which wasn't even noticeable btw.
DD, Elektra, Bullseye, Watchmen, Spawn, GG2, Ock, Steel, JSA (on Smallville), Punisher (War Zone)
30 years ago, we had absolutely no problem whatsoever going to see a movie whose lead character was dressed head-to-toe in colorful spandex. Fast forward to 1989, we see for the first time a Dark Knight type Batman-one whose battle gear, while based on the garb he sports in the comics-is radically changed. The filmmakers deem his grey tights "silly & unrealistic". And we, the fans, buy into this for the most part. But now so many movies & TV shows are taking such drastic liberties & taking characters' looks further and further away from their pulp counterparts. We, the fans, debate these decisions relentlessly-some of us defend it, others are totally against it. But if not for Batman's black rubber, would we all eagerly run to see the colorfully clad characters without any regard for how "silly" they looked?
And some bad ones.
And while the examples that you listed are true for the most part, (the radical revamp of Nite-Owl notwithstanding) fans are still to this day up in arms over how the filmmakers dressed Doom, the Green Goblin, the "New Goblin", Elektra (the first time we saw her) and even Venom. And then we look at the extent to which they have now taken Batman. The price for his improved mobility is a suit that looks more mechanical than anything he's ever put on. I'm glad there was no comic adaptation because this thing is an absolute nightmare to draw.
I'd also like to touch on Superman for a minute-particularly the Routh suit; I hate this costume with a passion. The muted color scheme and shrunken symbol, in my eyes, convey a sense of embarrassment. Like they're trying to make him look les noticeable when Superman is supposed to be as ostentacious as they come. What were they going for here? Is this the "new & improved" Superman? And will there be more like this to come?
Again, I agree that it's a case-by-case basis. I sure as HELL wouldn't want to see Ian McKellan's old ass in red tights & purple trunks. I just don't want to come to a point where they start approaching movies the way they did "Wanted"-throw out the costumes & everything else signifying "comic book".
1-BP wasn't exactly who I was talking about, but seeing what he wore in Ultimate Avengers 2 does have me a little worried.
And it's mainly the heroes' looks that I'm talking about, whereas you're citing villains & supporting characters-from a movie which, I hasten to point out, had no problem showcasing its hero in tights. When you think about it, in the Burton/Schumacher films, the villains' costumes were overall more faithful in terms of design than Batman's.
And I agree that it's premature to dismiss the idea of tights altogether. It's more than likely too late for Batman & probably for the best where the X-Men are concerned, but there's still hope for the heroes yet to come, I think.
I agree, but as I have not personally seen a costume I hated and ended up enjoying the film, I can't discount that there is a relationship between how the filmmakers view the character and how they view the character. If you can't see anything wrong with dressing your hero like this
or this
or this
should we really be surprised that the movie itself is terrible?
And even if they do get everything else right, I don't want to look at a crappy costume for 2 hours.
No, there IS nothing wrong if it still ooks good. But I think we're accepting more change than necessary. Did the Dark Knight costume TRULY look good? I think they went overboard for the sake of neck mobility & the suit looked robotic. Moreso than the much-maligned Green Goblin suit.
See I blame the casting of Keaton, which was a result of Burton as director. His lack of any physical stature whatsoever demanded the exclusion of "tights", and unfortunately gave inspiration to the parade of rubber enhanced costumes that followed for many heroes.
I just felt the TDK suit was overly segmented. I didn't hate it but I didn't love it either.