Have Fangirls Caught Up With Fanboys?

Twilight could somehow make 300mil in total and hollywood would still ignore female viewers. Hollywood has always had an extreme bias towards what silly women want to watch and IMHO not any amount of money in the world is going to change that.

True about the female viewers. Look at the successes of Sex and the City and The Devil Wears Prada, as well as other romantic comedies and Hollywood is always stunned at how much money they made.

They really don't believe women go to the movies too - I read an interview with Nia Vardalos (My Big Fat Greek Wedding), and she said she was actually told that once when she pitched a film - despite the gazillions her first film made.

I'm not sure Twilight will fall into the same category (for the record, I hated the books and have no desire to see the new movie). It's a franchise, if anything studios will go looking for similar projects to attract that same demographic, which is younger than the typical romantic comedy crowd - regardless of how many of their mothers are showing up at the movie.

Wolverine fans don't ask Hugh Jackman to slice them, while Twilight fans ask what's his face to bite them. Even what's his face hates his fans. That's when you know the fangirls have won.

I saw Hugh Jackman a few weeks ago - he's doing a play in NY, and he was outside the theater signing some autographs for a predominantly female crowd waiting by the stage door. The ladies seemed to be fine, but a guy passing by stopped and yelled "WOLVERINE!!!" at the top of his lungs. :doh:

The biting thing with Pattinson is just freaky. He doesn't even do that in the books.
 
Those are some horny little girls and women, kinky and horny.
 
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I have a theory, fanboys are catered for in a multitude of ways, the amount of franchises they've got to choose from it's a diluted group to begin with. Fangirls on the other hand get so little in terms of properties directed at them that when one does come along they consider good, the latch onto it as a collective. I guess it's kinda like the restroom mentality, they've all gotta go in groups. ;)
 
Since no one has brought it up...

I will also mention that fangirls are LARGELY behind the success of Pirates Of The Caribbean and a huge portion of Harry Potter fans as well...

Fangirls have one distinct difference from fanboys. They arent losers.

Guys are into all kinds of things...but in general...a guy whos really into comics or whatever...Im not talking "I like Batman, The Dark Knight was awesome"...I'm talking about a REAL fanboy. Those guys (including me) are losers. Of course, Hollywood realizes the money that can be made from them, so they exploit their devotion to their geekdom. It has become an important money making tool for Hollywood.

Fangirls...thats different. That hot chick that works at Hollister?? She's probably read Twilight a dozen times. That sexy girl who lives down the street? She's got a pirate fetish. That absolute PIECE that comes into where you work every now and then? She bought advance tickets to the midnight screening of the last Harry Potter movie.

Sure, there are losers among them. Remember, I have done work with bands like HIM and My Chemical Romance. Their fans are the same way...there are some super hot girls that are obsessed with those bands...and some real fatty goth types. But when it comes to books and movies, more mainstream girls are sucked in. The numbers increase...so instead of 90% ugly girls, you end up with 30%, 20%, whatever...because the more trendy something is, the more trendy, fashion conscious (and attractive) girls will be involved.

There is another important difference:

Fangirls liked Backstreet Boys and NSync...and moved on after a year and forgot about it. Fanboys listen to Slayer FOREVER.

Fangirls loved Harry Potter and cant wait for the next film. Fanboys talk about each Spider-Man storyarc as if it gives them life. They criticize each childhood-raping movie. They buy a hundred issues of a crossover event they dont like.

In other words...Fangirls get swet up in the movement and love it, and then go off and live their sexy little lives...Fanboys live in a basement, unwashed and unloved, surrounded in Tomb Raider porn and empty Mountain Dew cans.
 
I agree with the idea behind this thread, but I have to ask the young women here: is that really a good thing?

Do you all want to grow into sweaty, unlovable outcasts who live with their parents into their 30s?

Do you look forward to lining up in 30 years just to get the autograph of a bloated and balding Robert Pattinson, or to pay 300$ just to see him and Kristin talk about trivial nothings at a Comicon panel?

Do you really want, in 20 years time, to spend your time on the galactic internet obsessing over whether the new "reimagining" of Twilight will "respect the canon" or not?

Think about it. Back away, back away slowly.

Good stuff.

fangirls are LARGELY behind the success of Pirates Of The Caribbean and a huge portion of Harry Potter fans as well...

Maybe, but those movies have guy appeal as well.
 
But it's the Fangirls who bought the merchandise...which fed into the trend-frenzy.
Without females, Pirates would have come and gone as a blip on the box office.
 
Since no one has brought it up...

I will also mention that fangirls are LARGELY behind the success of Pirates Of The Caribbean and a huge portion of Harry Potter fans as well...

Fangirls have one distinct difference from fanboys. They arent losers.

Guys are into all kinds of things...but in general...a guy whos really into comics or whatever...Im not talking "I like Batman, The Dark Knight was awesome"...I'm talking about a REAL fanboy. Those guys (including me) are losers. Of course, Hollywood realizes the money that can be made from them, so they exploit their devotion to their geekdom. It has become an important money making tool for Hollywood.

Fangirls...thats different. That hot chick that works at Hollister?? She's probably read Twilight a dozen times. That sexy girl who lives down the street? She's got a pirate fetish. That absolute PIECE that comes into where you work every now and then? She bought advance tickets to the midnight screening of the last Harry Potter movie.

Sure, there are losers among them. Remember, I have done work with bands like HIM and My Chemical Romance. Their fans are the same way...there are some super hot girls that are obsessed with those bands...and some real fatty goth types. But when it comes to books and movies, more mainstream girls are sucked in. The numbers increase...so instead of 90% ugly girls, you end up with 30%, 20%, whatever...because the more trendy something is, the more trendy, fashion conscious (and attractive) girls will be involved.

There is another important difference:

Fangirls liked Backstreet Boys and NSync...and moved on after a year and forgot about it. Fanboys listen to Slayer FOREVER.

Fangirls loved Harry Potter and cant wait for the next film. Fanboys talk about each Spider-Man storyarc as if it gives them life. They criticize each childhood-raping movie. They buy a hundred issues of a crossover event they dont like.

In other words...Fangirls get swet up in the movement and love it, and then go off and live their sexy little lives...Fanboys live in a basement, unwashed and unloved, surrounded in Tomb Raider porn and empty Mountain Dew cans.

While you may have a solid point about the difference, you kind of destroyed it, imo. How does someone who keeps moving on to the next fad not a poser/loser(Women on this board excluded.)? Answer. They are. Cause they just keep getting used my the big media cause they have the "attention span" of a knat and will latch onto something.
 
"Loser" can be many things.

Being suckers that will fall for a trend is not the kind of loser we're talking about.

Most people fall for trends...and those that dont will fall for the anti-trend because the not trendy hipster crowd likes it.

In this case though we're talking about obsessive fans...not trend hoppers.

For instance, I know many girls who are into Twilight. I know a bunch of really hot girls that bought advance tickets and went to the midnight showing of New Moon. They put on vampire costumes and made a big deal out of it. These "fangirls" are models, prom queens, smoking hot girls that are very popular.

I know a guy Fanboy who is very good looking. He could be a male model very easily. He is friendly and a good person. He loves anime and goes to conventions in costume and all...and he cant get a date to save his life.

There is a difference.
 
Music isn't a trend though. The people who lived through New Kids on the Block then became fans with N-Sync and Backstreet Boys and the countless others.

Twilight is a set of books/movies that will be gone after a certain point. It's an event. So yes, some of the people are losers.

There's a story of a woman who started taking off her clothes because Pattison said so(jokingly). I mean come on. He isn't Edward Cullen. He's as fake as the American accent he's putting on.

After a certain, age(puberty) you should be able to distinguish between reality.

I'm not talking about the people who enjoy the books/movies. We can all like trashy stuff. But this phenomenon seems to be attaching some kind personality of the characters onto performers. At least Justin and the guys actually could perform.
 
New Kids fans were not the same fan base as NSync fans. There was some crossover...just as say...a Motley Crue fan might have liked Marilyn Manson, but the age gap is just too severe. The screaming NSYNC fans were all 12 years old...not nearly old enough to have been screaming NKOTB.

I will say that girls are more prone to being rabid fans of something. Guys think Megan Fox is hot...but thousands arent lining up to meet her outside the local cinema. We just dont care enough.

However, while girls will care MORE about one thing...they also live a normal everyday life that lots of fanboys cant seem to do...and they move on in time, which true fanboys rarely do.

A girl will scream this year over the hunky Twilight stars, and yet they are cool girls that all the guys still want. A guy screams about the latest Spider-Man storyarc and he's a loser. Years from now that girl will go "oh yeah, i had a crush on whats his name from Twilight" and the guy will still be reading Spider-man, and still complaining.

A lot of it is the creepy factor. A hundred guys waiting outside to catch a glimpse of Hayden from heroes...creepy pervs. A hundred girls waiting to catch a glimpse of Johnny Depp...eh...Id do about 75% of them.
 
The ones that ask Edward to bite them are the other 25%, yes?

I really don't think I could do a girl who want an actor to do that because of the FICTIONAL character that they play. I love comics, movies & games, but that's too far.
 
Yes we get it Twilight is evil, all of the fans are nuts who take off their clothes for actors.

Sheesh, it seems like most people who hate it take it more seriously than most who love it.

Believe me, a great deal of the fans know how silly Twilight is. Hell, I laugh at the stupid stories I hear about some of those nuts. I read all but the third book and chuckled at the cheese and stupidity.

I'm sorry but unless New Moon makes 400mil in the states and about about the same amount overseas I'm going to remain more worried about movies like Star Wars Episode one and Transformers 2 making that much. Two movies that had characters from minstrel shows, far worse acting than Twilight and even worse plots than Twilight. And those movies had bigtime directors, actors and over 100million dollars behind them. Coming from someone who thinks that the messages in the Twilight saga are disturbing, I think that the messages in the blockbusters Transformers 2 and 300 were far more disturbing.

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I'm not defending the nuts, I'm just saying that it's silly to pretend that every fan is taking off there clothes for an actor.
 
But it's the Fangirls who bought the merchandise...

I'm sure children also played a part in the merchandise sales. Twilight is different cause that's purely female targeted. Harry Potter and Pirates include children as their demographic. Especially HP since, well, it's based on a children's book. Just cause adults read it doesn't mean it isn't what it is.
 
Oh...also...

Twilight is for rabid screaming fangirls...and thats basically it. Next week's totals will be returning Fangirls and those who couldnt make it opening weekend. The following weekend will be couples who dont care but want a night out...

This is NOT going to do TDK numbers.

Oh, and you'd be surprised how many women are Fangirls. Twilight, Potter, Pirates...then you have women obsessed with soap operas (and think they are real), female wrestling fans (who think it's real)...it's getting to the point where MOST girls have some obsession that is kind of in the realm of geekdom. That doesnt mean they are going to want to talk about what happened during World War Hulk, but geeks nonetheless.
 
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Twilight could somehow make 300mil in total and hollywood would still ignore female viewers. Hollywood has always had an extreme bias towards what silly women want to watch and IMHO not any amount of money in the world is going to change that.
What do silly women want to watch? If it is shirtless men running around and having a passionate love interest then why fulfill that stereotype and run to the theatre in droves to see Twilight, Wolverine, and any terrible chick flick? Why not just stay at home and watch Lifetime???

I hope Hollywood ignores Twilight making 300 million. If they think that is what all females want to see then please, shoot me. Horrible female movies are getting up there in quantity with horribe male movies. How about Hollywood just ignore what men and women want and try to make a good movie:huh:
 
^ harry potter grew both as a character and in the thematic concepts with its core audience, there is a stiking difference between the first 3 books and the last 3, there is a shift in complexity, i don't think a 9 year old would really dig the last 3 at all.

HP seriously set the groundwork for the whole twilight craze though with the midnight releases and all the nonsense that goes on there. Going to those there were alway way more chicks getting really into it, there were guys there but as far as people dressed up and taking part in the debates or whatever it was always girls.


Also I sense some serious self loathing coming from these boards. Seriousl up playing of tired out fanboy stereotypes, not that they aren't true but it is possible to be a fanboy and have a life, a job, a girlfriend (geek chicks exist) and you know have conversations about our various franchises that don't devolve into utter b.s. which does happen but i have seen very intellegent debates on these boards from time to time.

What I'm really saying is some of the comments about fanboys are getting pretty harsh.


Also when pirates first came out, i did not know a SINGLE guy ages 9ish to 14ish that wasn't outright obsessed with that movie. Like seriously.
 
I remember most of the male nerds were really hard on Pirates when it first came out. They were saying things like "Johnny Depp sold out" and "the movie is terribly overrated." They also said that it was only making money because women thought that Johnny Depp was hot.

It's revisionist history to pretend that Pirates was a movie accepted by my fellow geeks the way say Batman Begins and X-men were.
 
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I loved Pirates so I don't see how it was a female only movie. That movie contained stuff for men, women, and kids. It was just an all around good movie. That was probably one of the least sexiest roles Johnny Depp has performed. I don't even think he was bare chested at all.
 
It's not self-loathing to say that male fanboys are generally losers. I am a fanboy!

However...in order to really fit the definition of being a male fanboy, you have to be a bit...um...different. All guys like watching superhero films...they cant wait for the next Batman or Star Trek film. Fanboys though MUST take it a step further. It's what separates you from the non-fanboys. All of my friends will go see the next batman film with me...NONE of them will sit down while I talk about the latest storyarc. It is not socially acceptable to be a fanboy. I know that when Im in with the general public, I cant spend an hour talking about how Shelton Benjamin is the greatest wrestler on earth. The response would be 'I remember Stone Cold...what happened to that guy??" and then theyd walk away while I explained it.

However, it IS perfectly socially acceptable for a group of girls to go see Harry Potter, then stop off at a bar and talk about the new Twilight movie and see who has read the book series the most times. Those girls will have a crowd of guys around them buying drinks.
 
I like nerdy/geeky chicks. I would take a girl talking about Harry Potter any day over a girl talking about designer clothes.
 
I loved Pirates so I don't see how it was a female only movie. That movie contained stuff for men, women, and kids. It was just an all around good movie. That was probably one of the least sexiest roles Johnny Depp has performed. I don't even think he was bare chested at all.
Women found Johnny Depp sexy in that role. It's strange but we did.

And yes Pirates was an all around good movie to me too but alot of the people on these very boards were not as kind as they like to pretend when the movie came out in 2003.
 
See, the point is...the girls who obsess over Harry Potter and Twilight ARE the girls who talk about designer clothes.

Now, just because these hot chicks know every detail about Edward, that doesnt mean they will date a guy who knows how to speak Klingon.
 
I remember most of the male nerds were really hard on Pirates when it first came out. They were saying things like ''Johnny Depp sold out''; and ''the movie is terribly overrated.'' They also said that it was only making money because women thought that Johnny Depp was hot.

It's revisionist history to pretend that Pirates was a movie accepted by my fellow geeks the way say Batman Begins and X-men were.

First I've heard of this.
 
maybe girls who ask an actor to bite them are crazy.

but what about a fanboy at comic con asking Megan Fox if she would film a sex tape?

and how many times did a guy ask a hot celebrity to f... him?
 

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